Carney wins with 86% of vote

[PIK]

52 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I’m trying to say what I think is the case, not what I want to happen. I believe PP is more vulnerable than Carney on the Trump issue because his policies and voters align more closely with Trumpism. The populist, PPC-adjacent wing of the party is quite Trumpy in its views. Carney has never flirted with cryptocurrency, for example. Canada is overdue a political change in management but Trump has disrupted the natural cycle. It’s going to be a much harder slog for Poilievre than it would have been in 2024. 
 

 

That's the problem spanky, it's not Trumpisms ,it's good con policy. Trump or no Trump it would be the same. But of course the MSM is giving very little airtime to PP.

[SpankyMcFarland]

26 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

The election of Marc Carney as Liberal leader and prime minister is a fraud because he was favoured by the media who manipulated the population to get him elected

 

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

Carney has done nothing, he had just said to coworkers rise the interest rate or lower it  or such things to dump people or help others according to what real workers told him to do.

I don’t know much about running central banks but I think there’s a little more to it than that. And it’s Mark, with a k. 

2 minutes ago, PIK said:

That's the problem spanky, it's not Trumpisms ,it's good con policy. Trump or no Trump it would be the same. But of course the MSM is giving very little airtime to PP.

Crypto is a hallmark of traditional conservative prudence? 

[Michael Hardner]

15 hours ago, I am Groot said:

 

That was a different Trump. This one, you may have noticed, is a lot meaner and doesn't have to care about votes.

So why is he doing it? 🤔

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Carney has done nothing, he had just said to coworkers rise the interest rate or lower it  or such things to dump people or help others according to what real workers told him to do.

that and "hey lets move to the US"   

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Obviously they do work if the NDP got what they wanted.

But they didn't. And now it looks like they're going to get wiped out

[ExFlyer]

3 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Canada has to get over its phobia of coalitions. They work well in many countries. 

And how many in Canada in all its years?

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, PIK said:

That makes me laugh. But carneys lack of political expirence will show up in the debates. Carney is the one that will sell out Canada, not PP. Once the election hits, carney will have to spend most of it defending himself over all his lies and some very dirty business practices. Starting with Peru. Carney has been brought up in the posh banking world , he is in for a world of hurt,when the election starts.

I also note that it was reported by the CBC no less that the rally that poilievre held on the day of the leadership fanale for the liberals was actually larger and had more people  

Carney has way too much baggage and he's going to suffer from the same 'just visiting' issues that Iggy faced, and his timing for moving his company to the states is just horrible for him. 

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Carney has way too much baggage and he's going to suffer from the same 'just visiting' issues that Iggy faced, and his timing for moving his company to the states is just horrible for him. 

Everybody has baggage. If Trump keeps his economic war on us going, or even talk of it, I don’t think it will be as important as usual. Carney’s work experience is relevant to the moment at hand. He can’t be dismissed as an out of touch academic like Ignatieff. 

[Gaétan]

I only heard about Franc Bailis during the Liberal debate, I didn't even know he was a candidate, but it's certain that if a candidate like Marc Carney has more visibility than another or others he will automatically have more popular support, so the Liberal leadership election was a fraud in which medias was accomplice.

[herbie]

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You are a severe leftist. You would think Hitler would sound better than Poilievre.

Because Myata's not an alt-right populist like you and politically informed enough not to use Hitler as a comparison to leftism?
Really.... duh, just plain duh!
So now you're going to claim the Libs moving right with a leader like Carney is too left for you.

[PIK]

3 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Poilievre is vulnerable on the Trump issue. The Liberals clearly believe that because they’ve started those lines already. More fundamentally, a likeability deficit has dogged him for years - now people question whether he can unite the country. He’s got to look more like a PM in a national crisis and less like a snarky attack dog who appeals to angry losers.  

A word in defence of Carney. Since when did making it into ‘posh’ circles, ie success, become such a liability on the right? 
 

 

They did the same to Harper, didn't work. And since he has spent most of his time in posh circles,he has spent very little time with the regular folk. So he doesn't have a idea what goes on out there. What he spends on lunch with his buddies could probably feed a family of 4 for a month. Lol  remember it was nice hair and fancy socks that put Trudeau in power, how did that work out? If you are still looking for a reason to vote PP ,then you are not voting for him no matter what.  And while PP been on the ground touring Canada and listening to people, carney has been where? One thing for sure it wasn't in Canada. 

[-TSS-]

I didn't know that it's even possible to be the governor of Bank of England if you're not British. Well, obviously it is. Strange though.

Edited March 10 by -TSS-

[TreeBeard]

6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Ha yea, the NDP got what they wanted.

Can you imagine the NDP holding the conservatives hostage??? LOL

You prefer only the party in power making decisions with no cooperation with anyone else?  
 

I prefer the minority government situation than Teudeau’s party holding all the levers of power. 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Poilievre is vulnerable on the Trump issue. The Liberals clearly believe that because they’ve started those lines already. More fundamentally, a likeability deficit has dogged him for years - now people question whether he can unite the country. He’s got to look more like a PM in a national crisis and less like a snarky attack dog who appeals to angry losers.  

It's actually going to be a little interesting to see. People actually had a fairly high opinion of him as far as dealing with trump leading into this according to polling. Trudeau got a bump for how he handled the issue so far but that may not translate to carney. 

Its a possible pressure point but i think we'll have to wait and see if there's actually an issue there to exploit. Carney is coming out pretty strong on the 'attack dog' front and i don't think he's going to look any more 'prime ministerial' there. 

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A word in defence of Carney. Since when did making it into ‘posh’ circles, ie success, become such a liability on the right? 

It always has been, especially in Canada and especially in the west. The whole "laurentian elite" thing has never been popular in the west at all, these are people who can't relate to you. Did you notice in the debates when asked about how much groceries cost carney was the only one who couldn't answer and had no idea?  He literally is so wealthy and out of touch he doesn't have to think about the price of food.  So someone who's used to having to scrape nickles to feed their family is going to wonder if that guy really actually gets their problems and struggles right now or even cares.

Also these jet setters tend to have less of a commitment to their country.  Carney could go live anywhere, he's got citizenship in three different countries, his business is in the states, he serves on boards of directors from all over the world.

What they generally like is successful people who earned their own way but don't see themselves as a 'class' above.  They're not interested in creating an aristocracy

[ExFlyer]

17 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

You prefer only the party in power making decisions with no cooperation with anyone else?  
 

I prefer the minority government situation than Teudeau’s party holding all the levers of power. 

"Minority governments in today’s political culture will remain the childish, high-volume, low-achievement exercises that have driven more and more Canadians to distraction and dismayed them about the state of Canadian politics"

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

PP has never been prime minister.  

The prime minister is just the top mp for a party. He's been an mp. If you played on a hockey team all your life it's not a big jump to go to captain of the team. If you've played basketball all your life becoming captain of a hockey team is kind of a problem

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He’s never been a cabinet member. He’s only been a party leader for a minute. He’s never had a real job to boot.  Nice try, not even close  

I'm sorry to break it to you but working for the government really is actually a real job. It's like telling the teacher they don't have a real job or telling someone who works in the DMV they don't have a real job. It's a stupid talking point that nobody's going to buy.

And once again its' like saying " MY doctor has only worked in medicine his whole life, no WAY i'm letting that guy operate on me".  It's asinine. 

Poilievre has been an MP and worked both in government and in opposition. And he served on a number of cabinet committees actually. Quite successfully. So he knows the job, he knows how the system works and he understands the politics

Carney has never even been an elected MP. Carney is closer to trump, he's somebody who's sort of kind of worked in business a little bit sort of and now he thinks that makes an experienced enough to run a country and we're already seeing what that looks like with trump, we have certainly seen what that looks like with Justin.

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I love how you folks cream your jeans that Trump was “a political outsider” before running for president then take the exact opposite position when it suits you. 

I think you're referring to yourself. I've never suggested that it was a good thing that trump was a political outsider. And he might have been an outsider 10 years ago but he certainly isn't these days so nobody would make that claim.

On the other hand you guys scream bloody blue murder about it and yet we elected justin who had zero experience and now you want to elect Kearney who had zero experience and in both cases you're somehow insisting that it's a good thing. Justin was a disaster and carney would be a similar disaster.

 

Sorry kid, the liberals picked another lame duck. They're going to lose this election, he will be turfed as leader unless he quits faster than they can turf him and he will get out of politics especially if he doesn't win a seat.  The liberals will spend 4 years trying to claw their way back up hoping to at least hold the conservatives to a minority the next time, after that they might have a shot at winning again but frankly that may not happen

[TreeBeard]

3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

"Minority governments in today’s political culture will remain the childish, high-volume, low-achievement exercises that have driven more and more Canadians to distraction and dismayed them about the state of Canadian politics"

Who are you quoting, and why should I care?

[ExFlyer]

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

Who are you quoting, and why should I care?

You don't have to care. I just responded to your post.

Makes no difference to me.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Everybody has baggage.

There's baggage and then there's baggage. Dressing up 20 years ago in blackface is baggage, but moving your Company to the united states 2 months ago and then lying about it and getting caught is some pretty serious baggage.

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If Trump keeps his economic war on us going, or even talk of it, I don’t think it will be as important as usual. Carney’s work experience is relevant to the moment at hand. He can’t be dismissed as an out of touch academic like Ignatieff. 

Well the funny thing is his work experience is absolutely not relevant to the moment in hand at all. In fact the opposite is true. And if he pushes too hard on that front that's going to wind up coming back to bite him. He's already trying out the I'm A globist and A super elite and that's what you need right now argument and I don't think it's flying.

Go Re-watch his speech and look at when the audience didn't break out in wild applause and was fairly muted. I'm not sure they're sold on his credentials.

And he can definitely be dismissed as an opportunist who's only in it for the money and the expense account. He had problems with that back in England too.

 

 

 

 

[TreeBeard]

30 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

You don't have to care. I just responded to your post.

Makes no difference to me.

Why quote something with no context?  Weird way to discuss something. 
 

Tough to argue with one of Harper’s Conservative strategist’s take on it  

https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/october-2019/how-effective-are-federal-minority-governments/
Perhaps the largest lesson to be learned from evaluating the contributions of Canada’s minority governments is that it is best not to judge each one’s success until several years have passed. This perspective is essential, because in the moment, an individual government’s achievements can be easily drowned out by over-the-top partisanship, the scandal du jour, the damning report of a public inquiry or the poisonous relationships between political protagonists.

Far from being merely interim periods between “normal” majority governments, Canadian minorities have made significant contributions to this country’s development and progress.

Edited March 10 by TreeBeard

[ExFlyer]

5 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Why quote something with no context?  Weird way to discuss something. 
 

 

 

https://....progress.

Bottom line a conservative minority against a liberal/ndp coalition or with help from the quebecers will get zero done.

Todays political climate is not what it was back in the 40's, 50's and, 60's. Parties are very fractured.

Not discussing, giving you my opinion.

[TreeBeard]

4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Not discussing, giving you my opinion.

Not interested in sermons.   

[BeaverFever]

7 hours ago, Legato said:

Like Elon?

[ExFlyer]

26 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Not interested in sermons.   

No sermon, that was you LOL

3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Like Elon?

Carney was elected by his party.

Elon was appointed by his king LOL

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

The prime minister is just the top mp for a party. He's been an mp. If you played on a hockey team all your life it's not a big jump to go to captain of the team. If you've played basketball all your life becoming captain of a hockey team is kind of a problem

If you truly believe that being PM is not much different than being MP then you know nothing about politics. 
 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

I'm sorry to break it to you but working for the government really is actually a real job. It's like telling the teacher they don't have a real job or telling someone who works in the DMV they don't have a real job. It's a stupid talking point that nobody's going to buy.

Well denigrating public sector employees as not having “real jobs” is a conservative standard. But  being a political crony your whole life is even worse than that.  Earning a 6-figure salary and full pension at age 31 after only a few years on the job while claiming to be an Ottawa outsider and spokesman of the working class etc is pretty rich. 
 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

And once again its' like saying " MY doctor has only worked in medicine his whole life, no WAY i'm letting that guy operate on me".  It's asinine. 

I am not saying PP isnt qualified to be PM but I am saying being a backbench MP and being parliamentary secretary etc and all those other junior non-Cabinet roles is not in anyway the same as being PM. Not even close.  Its asinine to suggest otherwise 

Carney will have the technocratic side of government down pretty well.  He’s demonstrated that he has the subject matter knowledge and experience especially on finance and economics which is something JT, Trump and PP don’t have  

He will need to learn the political side: baby-kissing, fundraising, internal party politics, and so on  But if JT could learn it so can he  

He also needs to work on having a personality that appeals to voters as he seems like he’s naturally an introvert and kind of uninspiring.   But then again so was Harper. Hopefully Canadians can still get behind a boring-but-competent leader  Then again PP has a divisive love-him-or-hate-him personality with all his constant insults and snakiness so maybe a boring and level Carney will be attractive in comparison  

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

Not interested in sermons.   

Or opinions that collide with your own apparently. People who think differently than you do? How offensive