Mark Carney's cllimate change fanaticism laid bare.

carepov · March 14

21 hours ago, eyeball said:

Both are just as important AFAIC.

A flash in the pan on historical time scales. The rich are getting richer mostly at the expense of the planet's natural capital. That is what will cause social capital to wane.

We should have been focused on this decades ago. Now it's just another convenient excuse for seducing the canine.

Just to be sure, you're not talking to someone who has a whole lot of hope for the future, in fact I increasingly think the only hope for the planet is the total collapse of our economy and most of our population with it.

I'm afraid our best days and our best chances are long behind us.

You are not alone in your Malthusian doomsday attitude. There are countless end-of-the-world prophets.

The data tells another story. To illustrate, again, a simple hypothetical question you are to be reborn in a random place on Earth, you can choose the year, what year would you choose?

herbie · March 14

What we should be talking about is the fanaticism of climate deniers and their current move to 'prove it' by adding to emissions as the only solution for the economy

Army Guy · March 14

9 minutes ago, herbie said:

What we should be talking about is the fanaticism of climate deniers and their current move to 'prove it' by adding to emissions as the only solution for the economy

I think the proof is in the liberal 180 with canceling the carbon tax becasue it is unpopular with the people, sends two messages, Canadians don't want to pay for climate change , they talk a good game but don't want to pay ....next the liberal government actions on climate change were to capture votes not fight climate change...and if the world was going to burn up in the near future the federal government really failed to convince all of us of that...

Edited March 14 by Army Guy

eyeball · March 14

1 hour ago, carepov said:

You are not alone in your Malthusian doomsday attitude. There are countless end-of-the-world prophets.

End-of-the-world...you mean like being reduced to an asteroid belt again or when the sun turns into a red giant? This is similar to the meaningless deflective statement the climate is changing all the time that you people like throwing out there.

All scientists mean by the end is that the environment we're used to will change into one that's not as benign and much harder to survive and thrive in.

2 hours ago, carepov said:

The data tells another story. To illustrate, again, a simple hypothetical question you are to be reborn in a random place on Earth, you can choose the year, what year would you choose?

The data you select can tell you whatever story you like.

What are you trying to illustrate exactly with your question, that I'm lucky or should be grateful I wasn't born during the Dark Ages? Sure okay.

herbie · March 14

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Canadians don't want to pay for climate change , they talk a good game but don't want to pay

wah wah wah don't want to pay.... applies for anything. Don't wanna pay income tax or GST either. Don't wanna recycle my beer cans or separate our garbage or drink from a paper straw or pay for a grocery bag wah wah wah.

CdnFox · March 14

3 hours ago, herbie said:

wah wah wah don't want to pay.... applies for anything.

Nonsense. There's lots of things that Canadians want to pay for

They're just sick of paying for useless things. Like the CBC. Or safe supply. Or a bunch of other left-wing programs that have proven to either be a no value, direct threats to democracy, or criminal scams designed to syphon money into the pockets of others

You had 10 years to get something done about climate change and you did nothing. You can't blame anyone else

Edited March 15 by CdnFox

ironstone · March 14

How many people are dying from droughts, floods , earthquakes, storms etc?

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/decadal-average-death-rates-from-natural-disasters

Army Guy · March 14

2 hours ago, herbie said:

wah wah wah don't want to pay.... applies for anything. Don't wanna pay income tax or GST either. Don't wanna recycle my beer cans or separate our garbage or drink from a paper straw or pay for a grocery bag wah wah wah.

waaaaa waaaaa waaaaa What you really mean is there is no climate crises here in canada for Canadians, and climate change is a political football, because Canadians talk a good game but fail on the follow through...

herbie · March 15

Why set an example for Billy to stop shitting in the pool, let's shit in it even more!

eyeball · March 15

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

waaaaa waaaaa waaaaa What you really mean is there is no climate crises here in canada

The crisis is the indifference to AGW. It'll take a hard smack upside the head I guess.

It is what it is.

CdnFox · March 15

49 minutes ago, herbie said:

Why set an example for Billy to stop shitting in the pool, let's shit in it even more!

?????????????

I'm never swimming with you.

42 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The crisis is the indifference to AGW. It'll take a hard smack upside the head I guess.

It is what it is.

Would that be the indifference you apparently have shown for the last 10 years when you had absolutely free reign to do something about it but didn't?

There doesn't seem to be much of a crisis. You certainly don't think so based on your actions

eyeball · March 15

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Would that be the indifference you apparently have shown for the last 10 years when you had absolutely free reign to do something about it but didn't?

There doesn't seem to be much of a crisis. You certainly don't think so based on your actions

Oh I'm sorry, what I meant to say is, yeah, crisis what crisis? Focking dumbass leftards...stick it to 'em.

blackbird · March 15

I didn't hear anything about Carney planning to take the environmental caps offs the oil and gas industry. We need to grow the oil and gas industry and start selling to more foreign markets. This will create more jobs and revenue for the government and increase the prosperity of Canadians. What will Carney do about the caps which are impeding the energy industry?

CdnFox · March 15

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Oh I'm sorry, what I meant to say is, yeah, crisis what crisis?

Well that's not what you say... that's what you do. You SAY there's a crisis and then do nothing.

Ten Years. You had TEN years and did nothing.

eyeball · March 15

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Ten Years. You had TEN years and did nothing.

See you in 10 years I guess, or 5 assuming you're even that lucky.

Michael Hardner · March 15

So... The thread title is now negated?

CdnFox · March 15

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

See you in 10 years I guess, or 5 assuming you're even that lucky.

Why, you just had 10 years and it made no difference. We still have climate change, and absolutely nothing got better it just got worse. Our emissions are still about the same. etc etc

10 years from now won't be any worse than today is comapred to 10 years ago.

And i see we're having yet another thread where despite multiple people asking not a single person who's crying 'climate change!" is able to produce a single scientific research document showing why it's a crisis.

like most narcissistic liars you just stick to the lies even in the face of the facts and want your own failures to be someone else's fault

Michael Hardner · March 15

On 3/12/2025 at 4:37 PM, Legato said:

I highly doubt that you spent The time to check the claim in this cartoon.

Anyway, I did it on your behalf.

100% true.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63681617

On 3/12/2025 at 4:53 PM, carepov said:

https://www.un.org/en/un75/inequality-bridging-divide#:~:text=Overall%2C since the 1990s total,first time since the 1820s.

Sure... This is happening globally as of 2020 when this report was created.

Thanks to globalization. It's not happening within countries like the US and Canada necessarily.

CdnFox · March 15

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

So... The thread title is now negated?

If you don't like how the threads going why not try starting one of your own once in awhile? You've done that like once the entire time I've been here and yet you're constantly on other people's threads b*tching and whining.

Go start a thread and show us how it's done or F off You whiny loser

Legato · March 15

17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I highly doubt that you spent The time to check the claim in this cartoon.

Anyway, I did it on your behalf.

100% true.

Cartoon? see there you go again making wild assumptions.

Derision when your agenda is questioned.

Here's another to get you working up a lather

eyeball · March 15

53 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Why, you just had 10 years and it made no difference.

Of course there was a difference, slight and gradual as you'd expect when you're trying to steer the Titanic. Like AGW the change is to gradual for beings like us to perceive adequately enough to appreciate. We evolved to solve problems and deal with crisis that are more immediate, obvious and on a day to day timescale. The most important adaptation we need to make is to our ability to perceive and react to slow motion problems that are on decadal and generational scale.

55 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

10 years from now won't be any worse than today is comapred to 10 years ago.

It'll definitely be worse.

57 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And i see we're having yet another thread where despite multiple people asking not a single person who's crying 'climate change!" is able to produce a single scientific research document showing why it's a crisis.

As I said the biggest AGW crisis at the moment is our collective indifference to it.

Climate change indifference, or apathy, refers to a lack of concern or action regarding the climate crisis, often stemming from factors like perceived distance of the problem, political polarization, or a belief that others aren't taking it seriously.

There's been lots of scholarly research into indifference as well as books in the topic.

Climate psychology: On indifference to disaster

Paul Hoggett

Springer, 2019

This book investigates the psycho-social phenomenon which is society’s failure to respond to climate change. It analyses the non-rational dimensions of our collective paralysis in the face of worsening climate change and environmental destruction, exploring the emotional, ethical, social, organizational and cultural dynamics to blame for this global lack of action.

Michael Hardner · March 15

34 minutes ago, Legato said:

Cartoon? see there you go again making wild assumptions.

Derision when your agenda is questioned.

Here's another to get you working up a lather

You posted a political cartoon! Are you insane that you can't recognize facts?

And my entire post was to say that you were right.

Seriously... Do I have to put you on ignore for agreeing with me?

Legato · March 15

36 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You posted a political cartoon! Are you insane that you can't recognize facts?

And my entire post was to say that you were right.

Seriously... Do I have to put you on ignore for agreeing with me?

That was a cartoonish reply, yes.

herbie · March 15

So why is even Danielle Smith concerned about removing the carbon tax without a clear alternative to reducing CO2?
While so many board members buy the whole drill baby drill damn the torpedoes idiocy?

CdnFox · March 15

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Of course there was a difference, slight and gradual as you'd expect when you're trying to steer the Titanic.

There was no difference. Well not to the climate anyway, there was a difference in our economy in that we got considerably more poor. But there was zero difference in the environment.

More importantly it's obvious the liberals didn't expect that there would be. They specifically put nothing in place to track it, no measurements whatsoever to see whether or not it had the desired effect, they didn't even have a target or plan for how much it might improve things. They actually seemed shocked and amazed when somebody came along and said how well has this worked?

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

As I said the biggest AGW crisis at the moment is our collective indifference to it.

And as I said the Biggest group of a different people is you and yours

And if you listen to what you just said you're claiming that there is no environmental crisis the only crisis is that nobody believes that there's an environmental crisis. In other words the only crisis is no one is falling for you or smoke and mirrors and you're the only one left believing the world is flat.

If there's no evidence of a crisis and you can't provide any science to back it up then there is no crisis.

And you guys spent 10 years and did nothing so obviously you don't believe there is one either