Punching the Bully in the Face: Trump’s Tariff Retreat

[BeaverFever]

Let’s recap the FACTS before the MAGA cultists can get their gaslighting revisionism together

1) Dictator On Day One (DODO)threatened tariffs under false pretences, repeatedly trolled Canada about becoming the 51st state and using “economic force” to annex Canada 

2) The drugs and illegal immigrants from Canada are a statistical zero, contrary to FODOs lies 

3) DODO’s claim that Canada refused requests to help crackdown on the (nom-existent) fentanyl and human smuggling are a lie  He also cited a number of other various lies about Canada as justification most of which HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH TRADE so can’t be solved with Tariffs  

4)Canada introduced a $1.3 Billion increase to border security anyway just to appease DODO

5) DODO said there’s nothing Canada can do to avoid tariffs and could never clearly state what exactly he wanted Canada to do or when he would be satisfied

6) Despite refusing to take JTs phone calls or have any communication woth Canadian officials, as soon as we announce countermeasures he call JT twice in one day, described the call as “pretty good” and stopped the trolling and annexation talk. 
 

DODO “postponing” his tariffs for “30 days” is just his path of retreat so he can change the subject and move on to something else. He lost. He is not going to revisit this in 30 days. All Canada had to do was offer a few symbolic toke gestures…even though Trump had just said there was nothing Canada could do to avoid his tariffs.   
 

The bully tried to take our lunch money, we popped in the nose and now he’s fading away. 

Edited February 4 by BeaverFever

[Radiorum]

9 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

and move on to something else.

I wonder what will be the next performance he fascinates his base with.

[herbie]

The old story of hitting the donkey with a 2x4 to get it to change course. In this case, one with senile dementia who'll only think about it for a while.

And still spewing the 51st state shit out his fat, ugly mouth like a septuagenarian with Tourette's

Edited February 4 by herbie

[ironstone]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Let’s recap the FACTS before the MAGA cultists can get their gaslighting revisionism together

1) Dictator On Day One (DODO)threatened tariffs under false pretences, repeatedly trolled Canada about becoming the 51st state and using “economic force” to annex Canada 

2) The drugs and illegal immigrants from Canada are a statistical zero, contrary to FODOs lies 

3) DODO’s claim that Canada refused requests to help crackdown on the (nom-existent) fentanyl and human smuggling are a lie  He also cited a number of other various lies about Canada as justification most of which HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH TRADE so can’t be solved with Tariffs  

4)Canada introduced a $1.3 Billion increase to border security anyway just to appease DODO

5) DODO said there’s nothing Canada can do to avoid tariffs and could never clearly state what exactly he wanted Canada to do or when he would be satisfied

6) Despite refusing to take JTs phone calls or have any communication woth Canadian officials, as soon as we announce countermeasures he call JT twice in one day, described the call as “pretty good” and stopped the trolling and annexation talk. 
 

DODO “postponing” his tariffs for “30 days” is just his path of retreat so he can change the subject and move on to something else. He lost. He is not going to revisit this in 30 days. All Canada had to do was offer a few symbolic toke gestures…even though Trump had just said there was nothing Canada could do to avoid his tariffs.   
 

The bully tried to take our lunch money, we popped in the nose and now he’s fading away. 

This is what Trump wanted from Canada, more action on securing the border.

You guys are bragging that big bad bully Trump backed down but conveniently left out why he is putting a hold on these tariffs.

[BeaverFever]

13 minutes ago, ironstone said:

This is what Trump wanted from Canada, more action on securing the border.

You guys are bragging that big bad bully Trump backed down but conveniently left out why he is putting a hold on these tariffs.

Read the first post in this thread explaining in detail why what you’re saying is total bullshit. 

[Boges]

It's a predictable outcome. 

Trump and his admin were specifically vague about what "fixing the border" meant. They gave no metrics and I'm sure Trump didn't even know what Canada was proposing until yesterday. 

It's like when a Union is negotiating a contract. There's no point in settling early. You can always get the most out of your opponent if you wait until the last minute. 

This does show that the US may not be a reliable trading partner for the forceable future. If I was an exporting business in Canada, I would be looking to expand the markets I can sell into. 

[Moonbox]

On 2/4/2025 at 10:02 AM, Boges said:

This does show that the US may not be a reliable trading partner for the forceable future. If I was an exporting business in Canada, I would be looking to expand the markets I can sell into. 

That's the bigger consequence of all this, and I suspect that was the point all a long.  All of this grandstanding and carrying on is about causing uncertainty and getting risk-averse businesses to diversify or relocate TO the USA.  What Orange Man fails to realize is that this isn't a given, it's a two-edged sword, and it doesn't happen overnight.  

 

[CdnFox]

On 2/3/2025 at 8:28 PM, BeaverFever said:

Read the first post in this thread explaining in detail why what you’re saying is total bullshit. 

Your first post was entirely wrong. I think you know that.

It's pretty obvious that so far this is played out exactly the way trump wanted. He's not really very concerned about the borders and I said that right at the beginning. This is about trade and we're just getting into that discussion.

And nothing Trudeau  has done has changed that or influenced his decision making. If there's one saving grace I think he's significantly underestimated how united Canadians would be in their response and that there would be boycotts that would actually affect Americans who will be voting for trump's people in the upcoming midterms. And I think he underestimated how threatened many Americans feel by the fact that a trade war would severely negatively impact them as well

If anything makes him back down a little bit on his demands it'll be those two things. But no it's got absolutely nothing to do with anything that Trudeau did, everything he did was weak and expected. He should never have flown down there and talked to him before he was sworn in. As trump correctly said later it made him look like he came running when trump called

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2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

 

If anything makes him back down a little bit on his demands it'll be those two things. But no it's got absolutely nothing to do with anything that Trudeau did, everything he did was weak and expected. He should never have flown down there and talked to him before he was sworn in. As trump correctly said later it made him look like he came running when trump called

Trudeau is the Boogeyman of the American right. The bombardment of anti-Trudeau propaganda has made me sympathetic to him. Sure he made mistakes, but no one can question that his heart was in the right place, he is very loyal to his country, and tried his hardest.

Compare that with some Quislings on the Conservative side, like Kevin O'Leary, Danielle Smith, Stockwell Day, and Maxine Bernier, who weakened the Canadian position. Pierre Poilievre went on about the carbon tax, while all this is happening, and tries to be Trump-lite. Canadians are now waking up, and seeing that PP would make a horrible leader, and the latest polls are reflecting that.

Edited February 7 by DUI_Offender

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Trudeau is the Boogeyman of the American right.

Trudeau is the Boogeyman of no one

Everybody hates Him. His own party hates him that's why we're having a leadership convention in the middle of the national crisis.

Only a handful of losers like yourself who don't care about other human beings as we saw in the Thread about the aircraft like him. Normal people without your mental health issues hate his guts

[Moonbox]

6 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

 Sure he made mistakes, but no one can question that his heart was in the right place, he is very loyal to his country, and tried his hardest.

I don’t think you can even say that though.  Proroguing parliament heading into a trade war was not the best thing for his country, and it was far from the only cynical, self-serving decision he made as PM. 

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2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

I don’t think you can even say that though.  Proroguing parliament heading into a trade war was not the best thing for his country, and it was far from the only cynical, self-serving decision he made as PM. 

If we look back at history, many PM have done this. Mulroney, Harper and Trudeau did the exact same thing. I also disagree in regards to prolonging Parliament. I think that it would be unwise to deal with Trump tariffs during an active election campaign, since we would be dealing with him in a position of weakness. Now that he backed off, just have the Liberals choose a leader, then dissolve Parliament, and have the election in the spring.

Edited February 7 by DUI_Offender

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6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Trudeau is the Boogeyman of no one

Everybody hates Him. His own party hates him that's why we're having a leadership convention in the middle of the national crisis.

Only a handful of losers like yourself who don't care about other human beings as we saw in the Thread about the aircraft like him. Normal people without your mental health issues hate his guts

You are a victim of enemy propaganda. You often source sites known for either American or Russian misinformation. You may want to take a course in critical thinking, so you can detect this. 

Alternatively, your family may think it is in your best interest to have surgeons perform a lobotomy operation on you.  That way, you will never have to deal with the Libs again.

[Moonbox]

6 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

If we look back at history, many PM have done this. Mulroney, Harper and Trudeau did the exact same thing. I also disagree in regards to prolonging Parliament.  I think that it would be unwise to deal with Trump tariffs during an active election campaign, since we would be dealing with him in a position of weakness.

It's still better than not being able to deal with him at all, and it doesn't actually change anything.  Trudeau has been a lame-duck for the better part of a year and nothing is stopping Trump from doing it again once the election is called.  This is nothing but a stalling tactic to help the Liberal Party re-organize.  If Trudeau cared about Canada, rather than himself, we'd have had an election last year back when it was already clear he'd lost his mandate and the confidence of Canadians.  

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1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

It's still better than not being able to deal with him at all, and it doesn't actually change anything.  Trudeau has been a lame-duck for the better part of a year and nothing is stopping Trump from doing it again once the election is called.  This is nothing but a stalling tactic to help the Liberal Party re-organize.  If Trudeau cared about Canada, rather than himself, we'd have had an election last year back when it was already clear he'd lost his mandate and the confidence of Canadians.  

The same thing could be said about Mulroney, once Meech Lake was defeated, and he introduced the GST. Yet he hung on for nearly 3 years, having the worst popularity ratings in Canadian history. Sure Trudeau should have stepped aside last fall, but better late than never.

[Dougie93]

On 2/3/2025 at 7:24 PM, BeaverFever said:

The bully tried to take our lunch money, we popped in the nose and now he’s fading away. 

so why not press the advantage ?

Canada could end the discount on oil exported to America by imposing a 20% export tariff

Canada could threaten to drop the 100% tariff on Chinese EVs

f*ck Tesla, switch to BYD

BYD makes a better car at a fraction of the price

Trump can't impose his tariffs without crashing the stock market

Canadians are fired up for war, while the Americans are the ones living in fear of it

go over to the offensive, strike while the iron is hot

Edited February 7 by Dougie93

[eyeball]

16 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Trudeau is the Boogeyman of the American right.

He's Hitler incarnate to the much of the Canadian right.

That's all I'll ever need to maintain a great distance away from anything that speaks to or represents these people.

And the Liberals are still right wing from where I'm sitting 

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

If we look back at history, many PM have done this. Mulroney, Harper and Trudeau did the exact same thing. I also disagree in regards to prolonging Parliament. I think that it would be unwise to deal with Trump tariffs during an active election campaign, since we would be dealing with him in a position of weakness. Now that he backed off, just have the Liberals choose a leader, then dissolve Parliament, and have the election in the spring.

Nobody has ever prorogued parliament heading into a trade war.  And not just prorogued parliament but announced their intention to resign while holding a leadership race. 

This has never happened. This is a first. 

10 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

You are a victim of enemy propaganda. You often source sites known for either American or Russian misinformation.

We both know that's not true. And this is strictly observation. You think they're having a leadership race because they think he's such a great guy? You think they were behind over 20 points in the polls because people had faith in him?

While you're a capacity for self delusion is absolutely epic I think even a little bit of realism has to show that this is the way it is

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Mexico pushed back against Trump, and got concessions in regards to gun smuggling across the border from the US. It turns out thousands of firearms that were from the US Army have been used by cartels.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

Mexico pushed back against Trump, and got concessions in regards to gun smuggling across the border from the US. It turns out thousands of firearms that were from the US Army have been used by cartels.

 

What do you mean "turns out"?  You didn't hear of operation 'fast and furious' before? The us GAVE them those guns under obama.

ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia

[Barquentine]

Trump will keep threatening tariffs against us but he won't follow through. He got his knuckles rapped by the stock market and every sane governor and senator who told him to smarten the f**k up.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Trump will keep threatening tariffs against us but he won't follow through. He got his knuckles rapped by the stock market and every sane governor and senator who told him to smarten the f**k up.

This is a real possibility, especially while he's still got a trade war going on with china. As I have repeatedly said he has midterms coming up and while losing control of the house or the senate would be bad for him there's also the possibility of flipping 15 seats in the senate which would then give the democrats the ability to impeach and convict trump on whatever charges they want to concoct.

If he drives up inflation and puts America into a recession it'll be in a bad spot

[Aristides]

Now that Trump's 30 day promise only lasted a week, do we even bother talking to the guy anymore? 

[Barquentine]

On 2/9/2025 at 10:32 AM, Barquentine said:

Trump will keep threatening tariffs against us but he won't follow through.

Um....maybe I was wrong.

[SpankyMcFarland]

America has a massive surplus in services with us. In a trade war it’s a vulnerability. Quite apart from Meta, X, Instagram, Microsoft etc. they are everywhere. As a Globe poster observed:
 

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Book a table. Open Table takes our money to the US

Book a ride. Uber, Lyft takes our $ to the US

Book appointments. One of many booking software takes our $$ to the US.

Rent the cottage. Airbnb takes our $ to the US

Watch a minor hockey game at the local rink. FloSports takes our $$ to the US.

Manage a minor hockey team. TeamSnap takes our $$ to the US.

Go to public school - they use US software (having a large data breach)

Go to hospital - they use EPIC

Give to a good local cause - GoFundMe takes our $$ to the US.

Organizing meal for a sick friend- MealTrain sends money to the US

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-the-us-actually-has-a-huge-trade-surplus-in-services-thats-where/#comments

In addition, we should not have US software in our clinics and hospitals anyway. Lord knows what they are looking at there through those infamous backdoors that Snowden revealed which were followed up by nearly no journalist. Any critic of Trump could be targeted.

Let’s start by taxing US banking and insurance software. I’d say going after Elon would be popular world-wide, esp. in the EU. A 100% tariff on Tesla and an outright ban on X sounds good.