It's official, Tariffs on Canada and Mexico to start Saturday

[myata]

One is an aberration (maybe), many is a pattern: objective and factual. The United States has entered a volatile period in politics and cannot be considered a reliable partner.

Why Canada? Because he thinks he can throw his weight around and bully others into submission to whatever whims and fantasies of the day. This is not what leaders are (just forget it, done) and one can have partners of the kind only to constant and ongoing trouble.

Only for the objective record, the previous administration didn't show much leadership either: leaders are not normally dragged in the end of pack, clawing and holding until at all possible. So this is not a random aberration: a consistent and systemic failure of will, reason and intelligence.

Edited February 1 by myata

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

All true. Luckily Russia can’t even defeat Ukraine and the longer it stays bogged down in that war the weaker it gets 

indeed.

but contrary to popular myth, the Russians are not great warfighters, see Russo-Japanese War, First World War

this is not the Soviets.

Communists make great warfighters, from the Red Army to the North Vietnamese

Russians, not so much

Ukrainians meanwhile are the true Cossack nation, Kievan Rus

I wouldn't want to mess with the Ukranians

[eyeball]

If tariffs will remain in effect until Canada gets control of its fentanyl does that mean we keep applying tariffs until America gets control of its guns?

  

 

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, myata said:

The second time a major trade agreement ripped in less than a decade. America is no longer a reliable partner and cannot get her act together. It's turning into a narcissist bully who every so often and on every pretext will seek to punish her partners for the problems of her own making. No rational basis for cooperation. Just too bad.

The liberals have known that trump might be president again for 4 years. They did nothing to prepare, nothing to improve trade with provinces or other countries, nothing

It's  not like it's the first time americans have screwed us on trade and everyone knew trump was all about returning manufacturing to the US. 

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice....   our gov't has badly let us down

[eyeball]

Trump has exposed his lack of resolve and America's greatest vulnerability with his 15% 'carve out' for oil while putting 25% on everything else.  Canada's strategy is clear. If we don't reciprocate with a 15% export tariff onto oil we might as well admit our resolve is even weaker and lay down our greatest weapon - oil.

I guess we find out later today.

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Trump has exposed his lack of resolve and America's greatest vulnerability with his 15% 'carve out' for oil while putting 25% on everything else.  Canada's strategy is clear. If we don't reciprocate with a 15% export tariff onto oil we might as well admit our resolve is even weaker and lay down our greatest weapon - oil.

I guess we find out later today.

Guess smith wasn't so stupid going down there after all  

But we definitely do need to bump that up as part of our retaliation

[Aristides]

Just cancelled a cruise on an American cruise line and when I get home I will be closing a bank account I have had in the US for years. I don't plan on visiting the place for at least 4 years.

[Aristides]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Guess smith wasn't so stupid going down there after all  

But we definitely do need to bump that up as part of our retaliation

Was Smith smart or does Trump not want the hit to gas prices that 25% would cause? We definitely need to jack it up to 25%.

[eyeball]

52 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Was Smith smart or does Trump not want the hit to gas prices that 25% would cause? We definitely need to jack it up to 25%.

If Smith was really smart she'd see how this could result in the end of the discounted prices for Canadian oil that America has enjoyed for years.

No more Canadian subsidies for America.

If Canada was really smart we'd see that using our oil to play hardball might cause the blob to have an apoplectic stroke. 

Edited February 1 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Was Smith smart or does Trump not want the hit to gas prices that 25% would cause? We definitely need to jack it up to 25%.

Well either way as you say we'll have to make the price hurt

He'll retaliate with higher tarriffs of course but we'll just have to get through it. 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

If Canada was really smart we'd see that using our oil to play hardball might cause the blob to have an apoplectic stroke. 

Dude, did you actually just reply to yourself?   

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Dude, did you actually just reply to yourself?   

Yeah I fùcked up the quote/edit function.

It sure doesn't take much to make you shit and giggle does it

[herbie]

14 hours ago, myata said:

The second time a major trade agreement ripped in less than a decade. America is no longer a reliable partner

By the same guy. Violating the trade agreement HE wrote and bragged about this time. It's not "America" it's Donnie the Dick. Untrustworthy in his business dealings, even less so in politics.
Know anyone headed to Hawaii, Florida for the winter or Vegas? Punch their face in!

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Yeah I fùcked up the quote/edit function.

It sure doesn't take much to make you shit and giggle does it

Ahhhh so your stupidity is my fault again  

Yeash you're sure sensitive, go tell your mommie i said you could have a cookie and a nap   

 

[Black Dog]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Trump has exposed his lack of resolve and America's greatest vulnerability with his 15% 'carve out' for oil while putting 25% on everything else.  Canada's strategy is clear. If we don't reciprocate with a 15% export tariff onto oil we might as well admit our resolve is even weaker and lay down our greatest weapon - oil.

I guess we find out later today.

I don't think we should reciprocate.

We should escalate.

[Black Dog]

Very interesting how none of the usual Trump hole-lickers have weighed in here, I suspect that even they know deep down that starting n across the board trade war with your closest partners is stupid but they're also too far gone in their cult to actuially say that so they're keeping their mouths shut.

[Barquentine]

Trump the economist? More like a sorcerer's apprentice. We all know how well that turned out.

[godzilla]

yeah, this is how Trump trashes the US economy. he inherited the best economy in the history of the human race... he doesn't understand economics at all.

are there hundreds of thousands in the street protesting DEI and LGBTQ change in policy? that affected thousands of people but thats it! a minuscule part of the US population. and it only took a few days to dismantle and has clearly had NO impact on American life.

and in return US voters get a wood for brains president who surrounds himself with Fox TV hosts who have been hired, not for their knowledge, but for their fealty to agree with him on everything.

i'm starting to feel sorry for Trump again. he is clearly a tortured individual. his desperate need for aggrandizing and to be called the greatest at whatever he does. he's the Dunning–Kruger effect on steroids. and now he is utterly alone in the oval office. not having a clue what to do. he can only experiment with his uncomplicated ideas in very complex environments.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

I don't think we should reciprocate.

We should escalate.

He'd play that up as him being the victim.

The correct response is to say that we are putting on equal tariffs and we are passing legislation that says any future increases or tariffs by you will be met with the same increase in hours. So when you talk about raising hours you were talking about raising yours.

That way we can sell it to the American public as we're not raising your tariffs on things like energy, trump is.

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, godzilla said:

yeah, this is how Trump trashes the US economy. he inherited the best economy in the history of the human race... he doesn't understand economics at all. environments.

This is the problem with you psychotic democrat supporters

The current economy that trump inherited isn't a great one. It's not a complete disaster but it's weak and has some severe structural problems and unless he constantly increases the borrowing to cover up it's going to go into recession relatively soon without proper stimulus

So let's not pretend that everything's rosy

Likewise it would be foolish to pretend that this is an effective way to deal with your neighbors with trade. He thinks he can believe everyone into giving him what he wants and that's probably not how this is going to work out. And it may have a pretty massive negative effect on the economy at least in the short term which is exactly what he didn't want.

Why is it so hard for everybody to just be honest about what's going on?

[BeaverFever]

Tune in tonight to find out how we will punch DODO int the face. Don’t screw this up, JT
 

8:30 p.m:  The Prime Minister will make an announcement in response to U.S. tariffs on Canada. He will be joined by the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mélanie Joly, the Minister of Finance and Intergovernmental Affairs, Dominic LeBlanc, and the Minister of Public Safety, David J. McGuinty. A media availability will follow.
 

[godzilla]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

He'd play that up as him being the victim.

The correct response is to say that we are putting on equal tariffs and we are passing legislation that says any future increases or tariffs by you will be met with the same increase in hours. So when you talk about raising hours you were talking about raising yours.

That way we can sell it to the American public as we're not raising your tariffs on things like energy, trump is.

probably the best plan.

but it has to sting for Trump or he'll be back. you have to get bullies to look elsewhere to satisfy theire needs.

i suspect Canada and Mexico will do this surgically... ensuring red states get the worst of it. i don't need to drink orange juice for awhile anyways!

Edited February 2 by godzilla

[eyeball]

That seems like a pretty feeble response from Canada.

I would like to have seen oil used like a sledge hammer. Jack the price to America up 25% immediately and 1% a day after that until they come to their senses. Obviously we'd also need a CERB like support program for affected oil workers.

Gas prices would be immediately noticed by American consumers who at the moment are still largely oblivious to the war their government just declared against us.

Energy is the only thing that will get their attention quickly. Canadians spend per capita over $11 thousand on American products vs Americans who spend $1500 on our stuff. Most of that is for energy.

Only a powerful oil shock will have any chance of making this a short effective war. Force Trump to double their price for gas and see how they like it.

[West]

I hope to hell we finally get an investigation into Trudeau. You just know he's a fraudster like Joe Biden. All part of the same tree. 

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That seems like a pretty feeble response from Canada.

I would like to have seen oil used like a sledge hammer. Jack the price to America up 25% immediately and 1% a day after that until they come to their senses. Obviously we'd also need a CERB like support program for affected oil workers.

Gas prices would be immediately noticed by American consumers who at the moment are still largely oblivious to the war their government just declared against us.

Energy is the only thing that will get their attention quickly. Canadians spend per capita over $11 thousand on American products vs Americans who spend $1500 on our stuff. Most of that is for energy.

Only a powerful oil shock will have any chance of making this a short effective war. Force Trump to double their price for gas and see how they like it.

You can't just turn off Canadian oil. You realize how long it takes to shut down a plant, right? 

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, West said:

You can't just turn off Canadian oil. You realize how long it takes to shut down a plant, right? 

As much time as it takes to shut down the pumps and close a pipeline valve.

Within minutes if it were an emergency.