How Can Alberta Go and Stay At The Same time

[Tony Hladun]

The rest of Canada will never agree to Alberta's independence.  In the West we know who will form the Federal Government before the first ballot is counted in Manitoba.  So politically Alberta will never have influence, but it can get itself a guard dog.  The oil in the oil sands really belongs to the US, they are the ones that will consume it over time.  The US has fought wars and sacrificed countless American lives to get oil so putting a leash on Ottawa will be easy.  Trump may be the man to do it.

Trudeau and Guilbeault want to kill the oil industry and Ontario and Quebec are happy to tax it to death.  The US is the only friend Alberta has (besides Sask), but it's a powerful friend.  US shale oil is a temporary solution and as production declines Alberta's oil will become ever more important.  The oil sands are the world's third largest reserve.  The US economy is petroleum based and they will not be willing to pay the price to go electric.  Maybe Danielle will say something to Donald at the inauguration?  

Edited December 26, 2024 by Tony Hladun

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, Tony Hladun said:

The rest of Canada will never agree to Alberta's independence.  In the West we know who will form the Federal Government before the first ballot is counted in Manitoba.  So politically Alberta will never have influence, but it can get itself a guard dog.  The oil in the oil sands really belongs to the US, they are the ones that will consume it over time.  The US has fought wars and sacrificed countless American lives to get oil so putting a leash on Ottawa will be easy.  Trump may be the man to do it.

Trudeau and Guilbeault want to kill the oil industry and Ontario and Quebec are happy to tax it to death.  The US is the only friend Alberta has (besides Sask), but it's a powerful friend.  US shale oil is a temporary solution and as production declines Alberta's oil will become ever more important.  The oil sands are the world's third largest reserve.  The US economy is petroleum based and they will not be willing to pay the price to go electric.  Maybe Danielle will say something to Donald at the inauguration?  

What exactly ?  Invade Alberta ?  70% of Alberta oil is foreign-owned so you're going to ask America to invade itself, essentially.  Silly and unclear.

[Tony Hladun]

29 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

What exactly ?  Invade Alberta ?  70% of Alberta oil is foreign-owned so you're going to ask America to invade itself, essentially.  Silly and unclear.

Production caps, no pipelines and endless regulation by Ottawa means that who owns the oil industry is completely irrelevant.  The US doesn't need invasion, how about applying the same tariff on Canadian made EV's and parts as Trump will put on China?  How about renegotiating USMCA?  How about tightening the border?  Trump can think of something.   Just wait and it might become more clear.  

[Aristides]

20 minutes ago, Tony Hladun said:

Production caps, no pipelines and endless regulation by Ottawa means that who owns the oil industry is completely irrelevant.  The US doesn't need invasion, how about applying the same tariff on Canadian made EV's and parts as Trump will put on China?  How about renegotiating USMCA?  How about tightening the border?  Trump can think of something.   Just wait and it might become more clear.  

Canada can apply an export tax to oil, gas and electricity  exports to the US. A last resort but we shouldn't be afraid to do it or anything else if necessary. Trump is just mouthing off but our governments need to come up with contingency plans just in case.

[herbie]

Don't you laugh too when whiners from the best off place in Canada gripe how Canada itself is oppressing them? How they don't want to be part of the very country that made them? Basing their own seditious ambitions on the basis of a few more pennies in their pocket? Having the utter gall to think that is a worthy principle to found a country?

Glad to say that none of the many Albertans I know are so small and petty, are devoted Canadians who have served and strove to benefit everyone instead of just themselves.
And I'm happy to say mostly do not support that Hawk Tuah Girl Premier grovelling to ensure the rest of Canada bears any brunt from that incoming Pighead to the White House.

What could we do about it? Maybe try things like the UK as we're founded on their law. Like dissolve their f*cking Legislature and return them to Territorial status.
All I can say about Alberta separatists is that despite their small numbers they're orders of magnitude louder than all the Quebec separatists put together.

Now take the rest of the holidays thinking of something actually constructive that would benefit you.

[NAME REMOVED]

1 hour ago, Tony Hladun said:

The rest of Canada will never agree to Alberta's independence.  In the West we know who will form the Federal Government before the first ballot is counted in Manitoba.  So politically Alberta will never have influence, but it can get itself a guard dog.  The oil in the oil sands really belongs to the US, they are the ones that will consume it over time.  The US has fought wars and sacrificed countless American lives to get oil so putting a leash on Ottawa will be easy.  Trump may be the man to do it.

Trudeau and Guilbeault want to kill the oil industry and Ontario and Quebec are happy to tax it to death.  The US is the only friend Alberta has (besides Sask), but it's a powerful friend.  US shale oil is a temporary solution and as production declines Alberta's oil will become ever more important.  The oil sands are the world's third largest reserve.  The US economy is petroleum based and they will not be willing to pay the price to go electric.  Maybe Danielle will say something to Donald at the inauguration?  

Sorry, as an Alberta resident, most of us have no intention of wanting to join the US, regardless of what our crazy Premier says. 

 

[Tony Hladun]

You're all just proving why the US is Alberta's only friend.

8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Canada can apply an export tax to oil, gas and electricity  exports to the US. A last resort but we shouldn't be afraid to do it or anything else if necessary. Trump is just mouthing off but our governments need to come up with contingency plans just in case.

Since oil and gas are far away Canada's biggest export and most of it comes from Alberta, all you're saying is let's tax Alberta some more.  Enough of that crap.  

1 minute ago, DUI_Offender said:

Sorry, as an Alberta resident, most of us have no intention of wanting to join the US, regardless of what our crazy Premier says. 

 

Don't worry, Alberta will never be able to leave Canada.

[herbie]

Maybe someone from Toronto could explain how you reduce CO2 emissions by reducing CO2 emissions as it seems so many of you rather blow millions on bullshit ads claiming that the ONLY way is to cut production and claim that's what's being regulated.

Kind of like not wanting to pay for a catalytic converter and claiming emission regulations are forcing you to give up your car. Or the myth that a foreign country will feel more obligated to transport your oil for you than other provinces.
You were given 5 pipeline conditions by the Christie Clark govt in BC, you wouldn't meet them. YOU f*cked up, not everyone else.

[Aristides]

7 minutes ago, Tony Hladun said:

You're all just proving why the US is Alberta's only friend.

Since oil and gas are far away Canada's biggest export and most of it comes from Alberta, all you're saying is let's tax Alberta some more.  Enough of that crap.  

Don't worry, Alberta will never be able to leave Canada.

Any tax we apply will be added to the price America pays, the way any other business tax gets passed on to the consumer. Alberta wouldn't be affected. Our government would be collecting the revenues, not the US government through tariffs.

Edited December 26, 2024 by Aristides

[Tony Hladun]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Any tax we apply will be added to the price America pays, the way any other business tax gets passed on to the consumer. Alberta wouldn't be affected. 

Two things can happen.  The tax gets added to the US cost so the US goes elsewhere for oil.  Alberta loses.  Alternatively, the US says this is the price for oil so you eat the cost.  Alberta loses.  Where's the Alberta won't be affected fairy tale?  

[Michael Hardner]

49 minutes ago, Tony Hladun said:

 , how about applying the same tariff on Canadian made EV's and parts as Trump will put on China?   

Brilliant idea! All those Canadian owned car companies will take the hit from the tariff. 

Come on man...

[Tony Hladun]

28 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Brilliant idea! All those Canadian owned car companies will take the hit from the tariff. 

Come on man...

Who cares who owns the companies.  The Canadian facilities will get shut down and workers will become unemployed.  Can't you understand that?  Why do you think Canadian governments are concerned about a 25% tariff???

[Dougie93]

40 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Come on man...

tens of thousands of Canadians getting laid off on the same day

as the Canadian dollar spirals down in the face of business evacuating to America

would focus the mind

tho I doubt it would have to come to that

when the GoC simply agrees to reallocate spending to national security at Washington's behest

staving off the reckless plan that Canada should fight a trade war against the hand that feeds it

mind you, such a catastrophic economic crisis in Canada

would be an opportunity for radical right wing populists to overwhelm the Laurentian Elite ruling class

so perhaps its not such a bad thing, for the status quo parties to impale themselves therein

chaos is a ladder

 

[eyeball]

How Can Alberta Go and Stay At The Same time?

The same way Quebec does, whining and swivelling every step of the way.

[herbie]

Oh noes! If we don't obey the threats of The Donald Almighty we'll all be catching rats to feed ourselves.
Gee! I guess Alberta will have to eat crickets.....

Look at it this way: Are you such a duplicitous piece of shit you'd rip up on your first day the very trade agreement you've spent the last 7 years bragging about how you made it?
Stupid enough to discourage the use of oil that's cheap and right beside you? Even if you favour your own oil, you're using your own stuff when cheaper stuff is in front of your face? That would be like him suddenly using his own money to make money instead of someone else's cheaply available (and cost deductible) money.

Just like it doesn't matter a US tariff or Cdn export tax, the people getting f*cked are the US consumers, not f^cking Alberta. MOF Alberta gains from an export tax over a tariff. Like BC did when it negotiated one on softwood - but the Yanks didn't like it because it made things fair according to their terms but didn't stuff money into their US Lumber Barons.

Maybe ditch the seditionist wnivelling and learn some basis about how businesses work. how and why nations are founded and how politics works instead of guzzling the KoolAid of catchphrases like Drill, drill, drill and Axe the Tax.

[Aristides]

4 hours ago, Tony Hladun said:

Two things can happen.  The tax gets added to the US cost so the US goes elsewhere for oil.  Alberta loses.  Alternatively, the US says this is the price for oil so you eat the cost.  Alberta loses.  Where's the Alberta won't be affected fairy tale?  

Where is the US going to go, the Middle East? Russia? Venezuela? Mexico? They have no real substitute for their heavy oil refineries in the Gulf.

If Trump decides to play hardball, Canadians need to stop being afraid of their shadow and respond accordingly.

As I said, a last resort but we shouldn’t be afraid to do it.

Edited December 27, 2024 by Aristides

[eyeball]

44 minutes ago, Aristides said:

If Trump decides to play hardball, Canadians need to stop being afraid of their shadow and respond accordingly.

I think if we did we'd be an inspiration to other allies who are feeling cowed by Trump. 

At the same time and if there's any one other thing we should be doing, it's eliminating inter-provincial trade barriers. Doing so at this time could shake off as much as 15% extra costs to Canadians and act as a very significant hedge against US tariffs.

It would also increase our free trade creds at a time when the world need a much healthier alternative to trade wars. Trade barriers and sanctions should be used to influence dictators and other bad actors not to fùck over your friends.

[Moonlight Graham]

A US invasion could rally Canada together like at no time since WW2 and destroy Trudeau's post-national state framework.  Let the traitors leave for the US but don't let them take the King's land.

It would also destroy dual citizenship, thankfully.  Dougie the 5th column and others like him would finally be forced to stop free-riding in Canada as they talk out the other sides of their mouths about Canada being a free-rider.  Statute of Westminster 2.0.

Edited December 27, 2024 by Moonlight Graham

[Nationalist]

Boy! There's a lot o' stupid going on in this thread.

Alberta and Saskatchewan have been screwed by Ontario since their inception. "We grow the grain. We pay to send it to Ontario to be made into bread. Then we pay to ship the bread back." Its an old story which is still true today, but has to do with oil and gas. Ontario holds both provinces over a barrel and imposes tax structures that dump on both provinces' economies. Are they p1ssed about it? Fckin' eh they're p1ssed...and for good reason.

I hope that Poilievre sees this and will eliminate all those Tweenkie taxes and regulations so Alberta and Saskatchewan can reach their full potential.

Oh limp biscuits like @herbie here, will go insane, howling that its all killing the atmosphere.

"CLIMATE CHANGE!!!" AAAHHH!!! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

pfft...let the silly little twerps howl. Canada is sitting on a MASSIVE amount of natural resources and the LAST thing we should be doing at this particular point in history...is denying ourselves a full economic recovery from the devastation of The Rona.

Yes Tweekies...the average temperatures on Earth have risen...a whopping 1 degree F over the last century.

So Tweenkies...you can scream and howl all you limp little fcks like. NOBODY except you scared little twerps are listening anymore. Your doomsday predictions all fall through the floorboards...over and over again.

Its past time to DRILL BABY DRILL! Dig up the tar sands. Frack in Saskatchewan. Harvest our forests, raise copious numbers of live stock and mine wherever minerals and metals exist.

You have lost...Tweenkies. This chickensh1t of yours is OVER!

Its time for Canada to realize its true potential and flourish.!

Edited December 27, 2024 by Nationalist

[Tony Hladun]

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Boy! There's a lot o' stupid going on in this thread.

Alberta and Saskatchewan have been screwed by Ontario since their inception. "We grow the grain. We pay to send it to Ontario to be made into bread. Then we pay to ship the bread back." Its an old story which is still true today, but has to do with oil and gas. Ontario holds both provinces over a barrel and imposes tax structures that dump on both provinces' economies. Are they p1ssed about it? Fckin' eh they're p1ssed...and for good reason.

I hope that Poilievre sees this and will eliminate all those Tweenkie taxes and regulations so Alberta and Saskatchewan can reach their full potential.

Oh limp biscuits like @herbie here, will go insane, howling that its all killing the atmosphere.

"CLIMATE CHANGE!!!" AAAHHH!!! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

pfft...let the silly little twerps howl. Canada is sitting on a MASSIVE amount of natural resources and the LAST thing we should be doing at this particular point in history...is denying ourselves a full economic recovery from the devastation of The Rona.

Yes Tweekies...the average temperatures on Earth have risen...a whopping 1 degree F over the last century.

So Tweenkies...you can scream and howl all you limp little fcks like. NOBODY except you scared little twerps are listening anymore. Your doomsday predictions all fall through the floorboards...over and over again.

Its past time to DRILL BABY DRILL! Dig up the tar sands. Frack in Saskatchewan. Harvest our forests, raise copious numbers of live stock and mine wherever minerals and metals exist.

You have lost...Tweenkies. This chickensh1t of yours is OVER!

Its time for Canada to realize its true potential and flourish.!

I agree with you, but you and I don't matter.  What matters is what does the Quebec City to Windsor axis want.  Poilievre might win the next election but he'll be faced with a majority of axis members so will anything really change?   Provinces outside of Ontario and Quebec are basically colonies because we're a simple democracy and they have the votes.  Ontario and Quebec are old US Rust Belt economies (OK Ontario built wildly expensive housing for a while) and with large numbers of immigrants what can they do?    

[Nationalist]

16 minutes ago, Tony Hladun said:

I agree with you, but you and I don't matter.  What matters is what does the Quebec City to Windsor axis want.  Poilievre might win the next election but he'll be faced with a majority of axis members so will anything really change?   Provinces outside of Ontario and Quebec are basically colonies because we're a simple democracy and they have the votes.  Ontario and Quebec are old US Rust Belt economies (OK Ontario built wildly expensive housing for a while) and with large numbers of immigrants what can they do?    

Poilievre can do what he's said he'll do. Axe the tax. Axe regulations. Allow mining and farming to flourish. In less that 2 years, the Canadian economy will be roaring and everyone...even the Newfies...will feel the success. Oh the Greenies will scream like someone just cut off their left arm...but who cares really? Its they who are responsible for this mess.

Fck 'Em!

Edited December 27, 2024 by Nationalist

[herbie]

Ever noticed how it's not just the hypocrite Mr Christians, it's anyone with Nationalist or Patriot in their username that thinks worshipping all things military while constantly trashing your country makes you one.

[Army Guy]

On 12/27/2024 at 1:33 AM, Moonlight Graham said:

A US invasion could rally Canada together like at no time since WW2 and destroy Trudeau's post-national state framework.  Let the traitors leave for the US but don't let them take the King's land.

It would also destroy dual citizenship, thankfully.  Dougie the 5th column and others like him would finally be forced to stop free-riding in Canada as they talk out the other sides of their mouths about Canada being a free-rider.  Statute of Westminster 2.0.

Rally who and for what exactly...some sort of armed resistance....give me a break...the last poll taken said only 37 % of all canadian feel any pride for their own nation, that say it all in one sentence.....and lets say for augment sake you rallied the people for what exactly, a fight....your going to take on the most powerful nation in the world, with what sticks and stones........This is all chest pounding for no real reason at all ...

The US is not invading anyone in Canada....you've fallen for that leftist crap that trump is going to make us the 51 st state.....WHY would he do that....the sky is not fallin....

 

 

Edited January 3 by Army Guy

[NAME REMOVED]

On 12/26/2024 at 1:51 PM, Tony Hladun said:

The rest of Canada will never agree to Alberta's independence.

Albertans will never agree to Alberta's independence. The movement is very unpopular, and if put to a vote, 75% or more would prefer to remain in Canada. 

On 12/27/2024 at 2:56 PM, herbie said:

Ever noticed how it's not just the hypocrite Mr Christians, it's anyone with Nationalist or Patriot in their username that thinks worshipping all things military while constantly trashing your country makes you one.

I've noticed that too. It's like the people who have American flags in their social media profiles, are usually big MAGA cult members.

[Nefarious Banana]

On 12/26/2024 at 3:33 PM, eyeball said:

How Can Alberta Go and Stay At The Same time?

The same way Quebec does, whining and swivelling every step of the way.

Canada chows down on the pizza, complains about the crust, cheese, etc., and Alberta picks up the tab yet again.  Quebec is a parasite, and the rest of Canada wrings its hands rather than taking the medicine to sh!t this parasite out. Canada is f'ked as long as Quebec is involved.