Finance minister resigns Winter statement day

[Politics1990]

Freeland has resigned  from her role as Finance minster  discuss   personally was never a big fan of her in the role anyway  she didnt have the credentials to be qualified for it

Edited December 16, 2024 by Politics1990

[Michael Hardner]

The ship isn't sinking any longer.  It's under water.

She was Trudeau's last defender, maybe in Canada.

[Queenmandy85]

Polievre needs to pay attention to Trudeau's situation. The Dept. of Finance warned the PMO not to persue it's reckless spending anf the PMO refused to listen. Trudeau is now burnt toast on the way to the bin. The lesson for PP is don't make the mistake of ignoring the advice of the professionals in the public service, They are the men and women who have decades of experience and know what they are talking about. If Pierre doesn't get rid of his illusions that he knows better than the people who know what they are doing, he will follow Prime Minister Trudeau into defeat.

[cannuck]

Christi Freespend is NOT the Little Turd's last defender, Jughead is.  He will do anything to reach the lifetime guaranteed Rolexes-for-life income pension cutoff.

As disgusting as anyone who would rack up a trillion dollars of debt might seem to be, remember that they were voted in by our electorate.

[Legato]

1 minute ago, cannuck said:

Christi Freespend is NOT the Little Turd's last defender, Jughead is.  He will do anything to reach the lifetime guaranteed Rolexes-for-life income pension cutoff.

As disgusting as anyone who would rack up a trillion dollars of debt might seem to be, remember that they were voted in by our electorate.

three times. It seems hair before policy is the average voters preference. Yet there will be some staunch defenders in this thread alone using the name Trump as blamegate.

[cannuck]

10 minutes ago, Legato said:

three times. It seems hair before policy is the average voters preference. Yet there will be some staunch defenders in this thread alone using the name Trump as blamegate.

It is both amusing and interesting how the screwups of the Liberals are no longer being blamed on Harper, but the President Elect of a foreign nation.  Our problems are 100% ignorant voters.

[Tony Hladun]

The real elephant in the room is what is the deficit????  

[Aristides]

30 minutes ago, cannuck said:

It is both amusing and interesting how the screwups of the Liberals are no longer being blamed on Harper, but the President Elect of a foreign nation.  Our problems are 100% ignorant voters.

Who's doing that?

[NAME REMOVED]

This could lead to a mutiny, and if it does, it may force Trudeau to step down as leader.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, Politics1990 said:

Freeland has resigned  from her role as Finance minster  discuss   personally was never a big fan of her in the role anyway  she didnt have the credentials to be qualified for it

She DID have the credentials, but she forgot why she was given the job in the first place. All she had to do was be the mouthpiece of the PMO, do what she was told, say what she was told. That's all the qualifications you need to be in the PMO.

Essentially, like Marc Garneau, she forgot that she was supposed to be a ventriloquist CENSORED with no opinions or views of her own. But like Garneau, when her senior people told her the orders she was being given by the PMO were CENSORED, she dared to question them, thinking she was important or something.

Not allowed. Not in this government. This is a government of 1. No one else gets to have opinions.

Edited December 16, 2024 by I am Groot

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

This could lead to a mutiny, and if it does, it may force Trudeau to step down as leader.

Hmmm... Carney's strategy seems off to me.  If he's going to climb aboard at this point what's his game plan ?

 

[Nefarious Banana]

Is this the 'budget balancing itself' . . . ?  

"Sunny ways my friends, sunny ways"

[Politics1990]

9 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

This could lead to a mutiny, and if it does, it may force Trudeau to step down as leader.

one could hope lol I  dont hate him like the majority on here but his time to step down and let new person lead has long come  since atleast 2022

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Hmmm... Carney's strategy seems off to me.  If he's going to climb aboard at this point what's his game plan ?

 

hes gonna destroy his own political career before he begins if he jumps in now.

[Dougie93]

the death throes of the Liberal Party of Canada have come

the Natural Governing Party nevermore

[Queenmandy85]

Firstly, Singh's pension is not an issue. He will still be an MP and leader of the NDP after the next election. His seat is not in danger.

But a more serious situation is that four of the G7 governments are in crisis. France, Germany, the USA and now Canada. It seems it is up to Italy, maybe Japan, and the UK to hold the fort.

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

But a more serious situation is that four of the G7 governments are in crisis. France, Germany, the USA and now Canada. It seems it is up to Italy, maybe Japan, and the UK to hold the fort.

the treasonous elites have come to their Waterloo

let them burn in a firestorm of their own making

chaos is a ladder

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, cannuck said:

It is both amusing and interesting how the screwups of the Liberals are no longer being blamed on Harper, but the President Elect of a foreign nation.  Our problems are 100% ignorant voters.

Yeah well, a lot of those voters are getting red pill pretty quick now that they can't afford food or lodging or a future.

[CdnFox]

Freeland wasn't the only one to jump ship .   Housing minister Sean Fraser  will also be announcing he's stepping down and won't run in the next election. He was a massive defender of Justin and it puts his atlantic seat up for grabs at a time when the CPC is surging in the atlantics and the libs could lose their hold. 

This is a DEVISTATING blow for Justin.  She just threw him entirely under the bus, this is a huge embarrassment for him,  and it's going to seriously impact his ability to keep his cabinet in line.

As things stand it would not surprise me to see the entire liberal party start to come apart. There's going to be horrible in fighting. Trudeau is desperately trying to get mark carney to come on to give some legitimacy but that guy would have to be completely brain dead to tangle his name with this mess

[Michael Hardner]

43 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

 ... hes gonna destroy his own political career before he begins if he jumps in now.

I agree, but maybe he's thinking that he's at an opportune time to jump in.... somehow ?

Like perhaps all players will be tainted by the chaos of late, and that he may provide the ol' white guy gravitas that Poilievre doesn't ?  Or maybe that if he waits around the fight for the leadership with Freeland will be difficult so he can try this and get out if it doesn't work, like Ignatieff...

[Politics1990]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I agree, but maybe he's thinking that he's at an opportune time to jump in.... somehow ?

Like perhaps all players will be tainted by the chaos of late, and that he may provide the ol' white guy gravitas that Poilievre doesn't ?  Or maybe that if he waits around the fight for the leadership with Freeland will be difficult so he can try this and get out if it doesn't work, like Ignatieff...

possibly yes. atleast with carney as leader i could see myself voting liberal unlike if freeland took over lol

[BeaverFever]

Keep in mind there may be some calculated political moves here rather than just about their current spat over finances. This maneuver means she won’t be in Cabinet when Liberals suffer an epic election defeat and will be able to make a run for party leader sometime afterwards with a “but I resigned from Trudeau” as cover when ppl naturally try to associate her with him. A Paul Martin style coup or who knows maybe these things are all scripted when the party wants to pivot away from the current leader. 

[Politics1990]

20 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Keep in mind there may be some calculated political moves here rather than just about their current spat over finances. This maneuver means she won’t be in Cabinet when Liberals suffer an epic election defeat and will be able to make a run for party leader sometime afterwards with a “but I resigned from Trudeau” as cover when ppl naturally try to associate her with him. A Paul Martin style coup or who knows maybe these things are all scripted when the party wants to pivot away from the current leader. 

the ndp will become the 2nd place party if shes trudeaus successor lol. nice lady and all but a terrible choice for leader.. marc carney  melanie joly  anita anand  all better choices then her to be the next heir 

Edited December 16, 2024 by Politics1990

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Keep in mind there may be some calculated political moves here rather than just about their current spat over finances. This maneuver means she won’t be in Cabinet when Liberals suffer an epic election defeat and will be able to make a run for party leader sometime afterwards with a “but I resigned from Trudeau” as cover when ppl naturally try to associate her with him. A Paul Martin style coup or who knows maybe these things are all scripted when the party wants to pivot away from the current leader. 

There's probably not much of that going on. Not to say that it's implausible but it just doesn't seem to be the case in this particular instance.

Her letter leaves no doubt. She is calling Justin out and saying that his actions only serve himself and not Canada. About the most you can say is she's trying to distance herself from him so that she still has a leadership opportunity later but to be honest this seems to be more along the lines of he wanted her to take the fall for all of his bad economic policy and then bring carney in and she decided she did not want to take that fall and punched him right in his face instead. This was done in a way that very much targets just in himself, rather than just distancing herself from him.

The letter was very harsh, and while some of it is possibly open to interpretation there are clear phrases calling justin out that leave no doubt. 

If i had to guess, justin has been talking to Carney and he went to her and wanted her to get demoted and then he'd blame her for 'bad budgets' and promote carney as the second coming who'd save us all. 

There's a percentage of !diots out there who'd believe that.  Just as they did with Ignatieff.  The "white knight appearing "  concept is a popular one for liberals.

I would bet she's been arguing with him that his policies were flawed for ages, was probably furious he made her do the 'gst  holiday' thing which has bombed, and is now angry at being tossed aside because his policies didn't work. 

[Michael Hardner]

32 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

possibly yes. atleast with carney as leader i could see myself voting liberal unlike if freeland took over lol

Here's a thought.

The guy has MONEY.  He could afford to run a decent private (secret) poll along the lines of...

"If Carney was liberal leader, would you vote for him vs Poilievre ?"

Maybe he knows something.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

the ndp will become the 2nd place party if shes trudeaus successor lol. nice lady and all but a terrible choice for leader.. marc carney  melanie joly  anita anand  all better choices then her to be the next heir 

I suspect the next leader is going to get clobbered regardless. Most Canadians are pretty done with the whole liberal concept and it's bled over to the NDP as well. That's not going to change just because they swap leaders.

And quite likely we will see a change in NDP leaders right around the same time we're seeing a change in liberal leaders after the next election.

What the liberals really need is someone who can rebuild the party as the next leader. They were already divisions in the party that were significant and I expect that there are a ton of tensions under the surface right now. Canadians faith in the party has been shaken to the core and that doesn't just change with a leader. They are also rudderless and directionless and Canada is absolutely fed up with the whole woke thing.

They need to take a long hard look at themselves, have a long leadership race which really explores who they are and where they're going to go, get the party to buy into that and then move forward.

Otherwise they could very well  find themselves Out of power for three or more terms.