She cried for Jasper burning, now starts a campaign to remove carbon emission caps

[Five of swords]

54 minutes ago, cougar said:

1.  A crooked ruler is informing the line that it is not straight ????  😅

2.  Painful?  Are you in pain?  I am not

3. Now you bring up logic.   Your logic is that having multiple cities burn in the past 5 years across Alberta, BC, other provinces and states, and around the World - something the World has admitted has not been seen before - has nothing to do with oil and gas production but rather with poor forestry management.    The hurricanes that hit the southern States that people say have not seen this bad in centuries have also nothing to do with it and neither are the massive floods in Canada, the States and again around the World.

How messed up one can be to deny all facts, evidence, events and call his position the only logical one?

Seems to me you need to be institutionalized but as long as you remain harmless you will not show on the radar.😁

Lol what are you talking about? I don't need to say what caused some fire...I just asserted that climate change is not the only cause of a fire. You disagree? Can you thrn explain how fires occurred on earth before humans even evolved?

 

And a lot of your assertions are just nonsense lol...growing up in the south I saw far worse hurricane seasons than this one...come on. Did you ever hear of katrina?

1 hour ago, herbie said:

No, it is. It's just YOU that isn't trying. And obviously Smith and her anti-environment pseuso-conservative cronies.

So how exactly is China reducing its carbon emissions?

[cougar]

18 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

I just asserted that climate change is not the only cause of a fire. You disagree?

What is the main reason behind the worsening heat waves in the summer that break temperature records all over the place one year after another?

What is the main cause behind the worsening floods that now plague the whole world?

What is the main cause behind the more frequent devastating hurricanes and tornadoes?

You may not be willing to admit it, but humanity has found out the reasons.    Just like they knew cigarettes are bad for you.

[taxme]

On 10/16/2024 at 1:36 PM, cougar said:

If you haven't figured this out yet, I can't help you.

You can drown in the next flood or burn in the next fire and while at it, you can blame it on what you want.  I do not care.

I don't think that you have figured it out yet that this whole climate crisis is total nonsense. Stop running. Can you show me as to where or how this phony climate crisis hoax is affecting you in any way? Nobody here when asked the same question will show me. You have the floor. 😊

 

[Nefarious Banana]

12 minutes ago, cougar said:

What is the main cause behind the worsening floods that now plague the whole world?

Fire & Flood . . . blackbird must be starting to twitch.  Fire burns up the needed timber for his Ark. Cougars, lambs, and chickens  . . . two by two into their lifejackets.  

[Venandi]

4 hours ago, myata said:

This is a near-perfect example of the "fairy tale reality" problem. Is there a promise that any problem, especially those where precarious balance is involved with a possibility of a precipitous change if/when tipped be solved by "mitigation" (that usually means controlling a part of the effect and hoping that the rest would fix itself, anyhow)

Seems to me that mitigation efforts are all you (we and us) have to work with here. Why would a climate activist (believer, alarmist, or what ever) not advocate for mitigating the effects of an acknowledged threat? You would think they'd be front and centre demanding it.

I wouldn't call the balance precarious either, it was obvious, glaring even... a big hungry beast granted full parole and left unchained to bide its time while awaiting the right conditions to pounce.

Forestry management is no fairy tale but the lack of it can certainly set the scene of an award winning horror show. Identifying and acknowledging the presence of known hazards without having a contingency plan to mitigate them is the very definition of negligence in most professional endeavours. It certainly is in aviation anyway, most people would demand that effort and in its absence would sue if it contributed to an incident/accident.

Being unable to do everything isn't an excuse for doing nothing either... yet nothing is exactly what happened there. It was a slow motion train wreck, warnings, predictions and threat assessments fell on deaf ears and one things for sure, if I were the owner of those negligent ears I'd blame my lack of common dog and situational awareness on climate change too. 

 

Edited October 18, 2024 by Venandi

[Five of swords]

2 hours ago, cougar said:

What is the main reason behind the worsening heat waves in the summer that break temperature records all over the place one year after another?

What is the main cause behind the worsening floods that now plague the whole world?

What is the main cause behind the more frequent devastating hurricanes and tornadoes?

You may not be willing to admit it, but humanity has found out the reasons.    Just like they knew cigarettes are bad for you.

It must be so great to know that you are as smart as humanity.

[herbie]

The tantrums of the DENIERS are hilarious. Everyone else are 'alarmists' because they're so f*cking deaf that haven't noticed the alarm's been going off for decades. So butt stubborn pigheaded they jammed their fingers in their ears so they never will.
So steadfastly ideologue growing the profits of Exxon is more important than their own lives.
Add to that so stupid they act like both things are virtues.....

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Five of swords said:

It must be so great to know that you are as smart as humanity.

As you're well aware, I don't think much of you. But that was an absolutely brilliant line, even I can't deny   

Edited October 18, 2024 by CdnFox

[Venandi]

7 hours ago, herbie said:

The tantrums of the DENIERS are hilarious. Everyone else are 'alarmists' because they're so f*cking deaf that haven't noticed the alarm's been going off for decades. So butt stubborn pigheaded they jammed their fingers in their ears so they never will.
So steadfastly ideologue growing the profits of Exxon is more important than their own lives.
Add to that so stupid they act like both things are virtues.....

Nice, inspiring even... full marks for leading change, paving the road ahead, swaying opinions and gaining cooperation.  

Those 2 degrees C would have made all the difference in Jasper. So, while we wait for your wisdom to resonate with voters and inspire the world to address climatology at a global level, I hope we're capable of learning something about forestry management, fuel loading and the cost of inattention / inaction on contributory cause factors well within our sphere of influence.

It's either that or we join you in the tree throwing our own sh&t at random passersby as we wait for that 0.2 reduction in our 1.4% (global emissions contribution) to finally kick in.

And, if that doesn't work, we'll just scream "I told ya so" as we collectively watch the supply of bananas dwindle.

 

 

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Edited October 18, 2024 by Venandi

[myata]

10 hours ago, Venandi said:

Why would a climate activist (believer, alarmist, or what ever) not advocate for mitigating the effects of an acknowledged threat?

That's quite a bit of information there. Are you implying that forestry management and other mitigation alone can meaningfully manage the effects of the climate change, reliably and in most cases? There's nothing wrong with intelligent mitigation, but in the world of fairy tale politics just watch for politicians who will "come up" with and begin peddling the idea that it's all what's needed and it's not to us really anyways. And so, from mitigation to square one?

[Five of swords]

1 hour ago, myata said:

That's quite a bit of information there. Are you implying that forestry management and other mitigation alone can meaningfully manage the effects of the climate change, reliably and in most cases? There's nothing wrong with intelligent mitigation, but in the world of fairy tale politics just watch for politicians who will "come up" with and begin peddling the idea that it's all what's needed and it's not to us really anyways. And so, from mitigation to square one?

This was a long way to admit that you do not know what the word mitigate means

[Venandi]

2 hours ago, myata said:

Are you implying that forestry management and other mitigation alone can meaningfully manage the effects of the climate change, reliably and in most cases?

Are you implying that addressing excessive fuel loading (with tinder dry wood over the course of many years) is somehow rendered "meaningless" because of climate change?

If you blame an ice storm on climate change would you still want the roads salted?

What I'm suggesting here is that if you plan to wait for Herb to browbeat the deniers into submission you're likely to find yourself slip sliding away. Any action plan on emissions requires global cooperation on a massive scale, most here can't even discuss the issue politely... want wait for them or do you want to salt the road?

Even if climate change wasn't an issue forestry management would be.... and Jasper still would have burned without it. 

I'll have to leave you to it, the next few days are nice here and i'll be out on the land... I sure which more people said that.

  

Edited October 18, 2024 by Venandi

[Nefarious Banana]

2 hours ago, Venandi said:

Are you implying that addressing excessive fuel loading (with tinder dry wood over the course of many years) is somehow rendered "meaningless" because of climate change?

Even if climate change wasn't an issue forestry management would be.... and Jasper still would have burned without it. 

I'll have to leave you to it, the next few days are nice here and i'll be out on the land... 

  

Retired now,  was a west coast logger for 40+ yrs and have seen policy and land use/stewardship gradually change into the problems we have now.  

The Jasper firestorm would have happened sooner or  later . . . the carbon tax and Trudeau are a non-starter. 

Herbie couldn't tell the difference between a hemlock and a ham sandwich . . . dumb as a stump.

[PIK]

Actually Trudeau was warned and was told we need some controlled burns and cleaning in jasper.  They wouldn't do it,because burning would make them look bad.

[PIK]

19 hours ago, herbie said:

No, it is. It's just YOU that isn't trying. And obviously Smith and her anti-environment pseuso-conservative cronies.

So giving up our hard earned money to Trudeau, is going to save the planet? And where is all this rising oceans taking place?

[cougar]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

As you're well aware, I don't think much of you. But that was an absolutely brilliant line, even I can't deny   

"As you're well aware, I don't think much of you."

Which should tell you, if you find him brilliant now, he must have successfully confused you.

[cougar]

53 minutes ago, PIK said:

So giving up our hard earned money to Trudeau, is going to save the planet? And where is all this rising oceans taking place?

Who said we must continue giving money to Trudeau?  Carbon tax is never going to help anything.

Reducing oil and gas extraction and use will.

[blackbird]

13 minutes ago, cougar said:

Reducing oil and gas extraction and use will.

Canada produces about 1.5% of human CO2 emissions and human emissions are only 3% of the atmospheric CO2.  Do you know anything about what you are talking about?  No matter how much oil and gas extraction is reduced in Canada, it will obviously make absolutely no difference to the total CO2 in the atmosphere.   

Just do the math.  What is 1.5% of 3%?  That should tell you something.  It is next to nothing.  On top of that there is no proof man-made CO2 emissions affect climate change.   

Canada's contribution to atmospheric CO2 is equivalent to throwing a Tim Horton's cup of coffee into an olympic-sized swimming pool.

[Legato]

23 minutes ago, cougar said:

Who said we must continue giving money to Trudeau?  Carbon tax is never going to help anything.

Reducing oil and gas extraction and use will.

[herbie]

9 hours ago, Venandi said:

It's either that or we join you in the tree throwing our own sh&t at random passersby as we wait for that 0.2 reduction in our 1.4% (global emissions contribution) to finally kick in.

Let's make a simple analogy of what you and others keep claiming:

All the dog in our neighbourhood shit on our front porch, so why should we teach our dog not to.

(it's only only one turd out of 60)

In the UPC version - teach him to shit more...

Edited October 18, 2024 by herbie

[Nefarious Banana]

6 minutes ago, herbie said:

Let's make a simple analogy of what you and others keep claiming:

All the dog in our neighbourhood shit on our front porch, so why should we teach our dog not to.

(it's only only one turd out of 60)

In the UPC version - teach him to shit more...

Impaired again?  Get some help.

[herbie]

The carbon footprint of your inane comments is probably measurable.

[cougar]

11 hours ago, Legato said:

Do the same with your headlights so those driving against you can take precaution.

[Venandi]

On 10/18/2024 at 5:13 PM, herbie said:

Let's make a simple analogy of what you and others keep claiming:

All the dog in our neighbourhood shit on our front porch, so why should we teach our dog not to.

(it's only only one turd out of 60)

In the UPC version - teach him to shit more...

Your “simple analogy” argues against you. But, since you obviously intended it as ridicule, and since you freely admit to being a bigger sh&t magnet than I thought, let’s run with it.

Given the fact that 60 dogs are using your deck as a toilet, I’d opine from the get go that you probably have trouble getting along with your neighbours. If you talk to them the way you talk to people here (on this forum) then I’m not surprised by the condition of your porch. In fact, I confidently predict it will spread to your driveway. It sounds like the neighbours trained their dogs to respond in a way you can relate to… in other words, there might be a lesson here.

If you go out once a week (shovel in hand) to clean up the mess it should become glaringly obvious that your own dog’s contribution is so insignificant that any effort spent training him would be better spent on the bigger issue here… mitigating the effect of those 60 other dogs.

Should you choose to focus only on your dog’s contribution and ignore options clearly available to you, then dog sh&t will continue to accumulate. And, if you opt for the standard liberal mitigation strategy (analogous to the Jasper forestry management model BTW) of doing nothing, in 10 years time you won’t be able to get out of your house.

Since you’re fond of analogies, I’d submit that watching the sh&tfest taking place on your deck is like watching massive piles of tinder dry fuel accumulate for years (and years) without addressing the issue directly. Instead of remedying the situation, you spank your own dog and ridicule those who identify the real issue, offer reasonable mitigation strategies and warn against the dangers of doing nothing.

Here’s the difference… if I were you, I’d clean up the mess, scrub the deck with deck cleaner, sand it down to bare wood, apply a semi transparent oil stain to protect it, and build a fence around the property to keep the dogs out. I’d also make an effort to repair my reputation with the neighbours.

If you make that effort, I think you’ll see better results than beating your own dog and petitioning pet food companies to add more protein (less fillers) to their products in a coordinated effort to reduce turd sizes.

On 10/18/2024 at 5:13 PM, herbie said:

In the UPC version - teach him to shit more...

Ya, exactly the sort of glib nonsense I’m talking about.

In the liberal version - it’s a global regulatory scheme to modify protein levels in dogfood leading to reduced turd sizes. It will will take years to have any effect on the global dog population and it won’t matter to your deck anyway. At best, it’s simply an excuse for inaction and recipe for eventual structural failure of the deck itself.

Sort of like Jasper, except with dog sh&t instead of wild fires.

Edited October 20, 2024 by Venandi

[herbie]

Oh FFS what a TLDR rant.
??? A simple analogy was just too damn complex for you to understand????
Like they say: try to make something foolproof and God will make better fools.