What is Critical Immigration Theory?

[Deluge]

2 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Well the Frankfort school was anti communist. Both Hitler and Stalin would have killed them.

 

Face it. The elimination of nations does make the markets more 'free'.

 

You are fed a lot of propaganda, including from James Lindsay, meant to confuse your friend enemy distinction. You cannot fight an enemy who is invisible.

 

Anyway it is pointless to fight. The only shot your ideology had was ww2, and it lost. There is no going back now.

None of what you posted makes sense, which is no surprise. lol. Saul Alinsky would've been proud.  

No, we relegate your bullshit ideas and keep our nation instead. 

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Five of swords said:

Obama deported more people than trump

Obama was in twice as long.  See what happens after trump's next 4 years. 

Also the point isn't to deport them but not let them in to begin with.

[Five of swords]

10 minutes ago, Deluge said:

None of what you posted makes sense, which is no surprise. lol. Saul Alinsky would've been proud.  

No, we relegate your bullshit ideas and keep our nation instead. 

 

Sorry but you are wrong. You will not keep your nation. You will vote for Trump because he has conned you into thinking he is on your side, despite the fact it can be demonstrated that he is even worse than the democrats on this issue. Nothing is going to save you.

Edited August 6 by Five of swords

[Deluge]

36 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Sorry but you are wrong. You will not keep your nation. You will vote for Trump because he has conned you into thinking he is on your side, despite the fact it can be demonstrated that he is even worse than the democrats on this issue. Nothing is going to save you.

See, the problem with your brain-dead argument is that Trump has already been President. 

Now, Hitler became Chancellor in 1933 and then switched to Fuhrer in 1934. Talk about Trump's ascension to Fuhrer from 2016 to 2020. 

Edited August 6 by Deluge

[CouchPotato]

26 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Anyway it is pointless to fight. The only shot your ideology had was ww2, and it lost. There is no going back now.

I agree in a sense. Though, maybe not for all the same reasons.

I think human society on a whole is inevitably collapsing. There is no stopping it. But the same can be said about death. I will prolong my life as long as I can.

[Five of swords]

58 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

I agree in a sense. Though, maybe not for all the same reasons.

I think human society on a whole is inevitably collapsing. There is no stopping it. But the same can be said about death. I will prolong my life as long as I can.

Well the difference between our positions would be that you seem to think human society just 'is collapsing'...it is just some natural process like climate change.

 

I would say no, it was murdered. This is all by design and with deliberate intent from sentient life forms.

 

Here's a pretty obvious illustration of that where the connections are pretty hard to ignore: A lot of British people are upset right now because a black man killed a bunch of white girls...as black people are won't to do and especially when they are fed a bunch of propaganda about how whitey is their enemy.

 

Why are black people in Cardiff anyway? Well historically this precedent was set by what is known as the 'windrush generation'. What was the windrush? It was a cruise ship in England that sent thousands of Jamaicans to England ostensibly to 'help rebuild after world War 2'...as if black people are the only people capable of rebuilding anything. Did the English build the windrush? No, it was commandeered from the national socialists who had used the boat in its 'strength through joy' program...Basically giving their workers vacations to make life easier for them (and promote social bonding between them, hopefully to improve birth rates'). The English took the strength through joy cruise ship and renamed it windrush and used it to make England more black.

 

The more anecdotes like this you learn, the nore obvious the direct connection between these things becomes.

 

But James Lindsay is here to tell you this is all the work of 'gnostics' lol...as if some fringe sect from 2k years ago are driving immigration policies. What a joke.

Edited August 6 by Five of swords

[CouchPotato]

11 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Well the difference between our positions would be that you seem to think human society just 'is collapsing'...it is just some natural process like climate change.

I don't think I've actually said that. I mean perhaps you could see it that way, because I have said it is inevitable. But then you have just basically said the same thing when you said it was too late.

Is it reasonable to say that the collapse of a society with a certain political philosophy shows the weakness of that political philosophy? 

Edited August 6 by CouchPotato

[Five of swords]

1 minute ago, CouchPotato said:

I don't think I've actually said that. I mean perhaps you could see it that way, because I have said it is inevitable. But then you have just basically said the same thing when you said it was too late.

Is it reasonable to say that the collapse of a society with a certain political ideology shows the weaknesses of that political ideology? 

Well there's a lot of nuance to discuss there. National socialist Germany did not collapse from its internal issues, but rather because it was attacked by all the greatest empires on earth simultaneously. It was destroyed from outside sources.

 

Liberalism also did not exactly collapse internally. It kind of did but not exactly. It's fatal flaw was failing to realize, as js mill said, that only a homogeneous population can maintain liberal institutions. Liberal democracies instead decided to invite jews into their society, because jews had a lot of money, and the presence of a very tribal people with money and power among a disorganized mass of mere individuals is what destroyed liberal society...just like introducing an invasive species can destroy an ecosystem. Without the Jewish element, and the increasing tolerance of jewish powern liberalism may have survived

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, Five of swords said:

James Lindsay is a guy who is consistently wrong about everything

Look who's talking... The guy who lies all the time 🤣

[CouchPotato]

2 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Well there's a lot of nuance to discuss there. National socialist Germany did not collapse from its internal issues, but rather because it was attacked by all the greatest empires on earth simultaneously. It was destroyed from outside sources.

You are smarter than people give you credit for because you immediately saw where I was going with this. But I mean don't you think that the failure of your NSDAPs to anticipate that they would be destroyed is sort of a fatal flaw.

[Moonlight Graham]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Again, its an academic response - a theoretical framework for understanding developments like this...

The United States society has reached a tragic point in our understanding and relationship with borders and migration. An over attachment to “sovereign” borders and a hostility towards foreign migrants has helped lead to the rise of dangerous demagogues in our political process that puts not only immigrants, but the whole democratic system, in jeopardy. In the past, some of these anti-immigrant attitudes were disguised in the language of national defense or security.

That's the biggest load of nonsense I've ever heard.

"An over attachment to sovereign borders" LOL.  What does that mean?  Having border laws and enforcing them?  LOL.  Enforcing border and immigration laws doesn't make someone a xenophobe or a Trumpster.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Deluge said:

Wrong. 

It's a ploy to erase the US borders.

Biden/Harris has been trying to do it for four years and Harris will probably succeed if that communist b*tch gets into the WH in January. 

It's basic slavery. It helps out all of the businesses that support the Dems, and it helps the US compete economically with countries that have much cheaper labour.

People get into the country but exist without full citizenship, which means that they can't get good jobs, they share the shittiest homes with other families, they can't buy real estate, and they don't get full access to all the services that are available to full citizens.

[Deluge]

20 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's basic slavery. It helps out all of the businesses that support the Dems, and it helps the US compete economically with countries that have much cheaper labour.

People get into the country but exist without full citizenship, which means that they can't get good jobs, they share the shittiest homes with other families, they can't buy real estate, and they don't get full access to all the services that are available to full citizens.

And I've never even considered that part of it which is also true. 

[Five of swords]

54 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

You are smarter than people give you credit for because you immediately saw where I was going with this. But I mean don't you think that the failure of your NSDAPs to anticipate that they would be destroyed is sort of a fatal flaw.

They had a shot at winning the war. It wasn't a forgone conclusion. In fact in 1942 they seemed unstoppable. But whatever, it isn't Hollywood and the good guys don't always win

[CouchPotato]

1 hour ago, Five of swords said:

They had a shot at winning the war. It wasn't a forgone conclusion. In fact in 1942 they seemed unstoppable. But whatever, it isn't Hollywood and the good guys don't always win

I have a pretty good shot at winning Russian roulette. I don't play it.

Edited August 6 by CouchPotato

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

"An over attachment to sovereign borders" LOL.  What does that mean?

Hyper-nationalism - with a paranoid hyper right wing bent to it these days.

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, Deluge said:

Wrong. 

It's a ploy to erase the US borders.

Biden/Harris has been trying to do it for four years and Harris will probably succeed if that communist b*tch gets into the WH in January. 

Thanks for proving you started another waste of time thread and you don't know WTF you're talking about, AGAIN. 

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Xenophobia? Ahhh...the ol' Libbie race card.

Guess that means you have no real argument and thus hide behind that tattered skirt you Libbies have abused for years now. Ya know...when a deep analysis of Democrat and Republican actions is done, its the Democrats who come out looking like authoritarian racists...not the Republicans.

Trouble is, you only know half the story AT BEST cause you cannot face reality when it causes you cognitive dissonance.

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Thanks for proving you started another waste of time thread and you don't know WTF you're talking about, AGAIN. 

Trouble is, you only know half the story AT BEST cause you cannot face reality when it causes you cognitive dissonance.

robo-laura strikes again...

 

[Five of swords]

1 hour ago, CouchPotato said:

I have a pretty good shot at winning Russian roulette. I don't play it.

Germany had no control over what happened. Of course they were going to be attacked because their political model was so successful..so it was going to be interesting and persuasive to other people in the world. But it was based on ideas that would bring down the ruling elite in the entire western world, especially the anglosphere, as well as the new communist countries. They were not going to be left alone and Hitler knew that, which is why he felt forced to re-arm (despite the burden this had on his economy, especially with their shortage of oil).

 

Germany didn't make any mistakes in this department really. I suppose you could argue they might have opted to be a failed state and thus avoid war, but the consequences would have been no different.

[Moonlight Graham]

52 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Hyper-nationalism - with a paranoid hyper right wing bent to it these days.

No that's your definition, not his.

[Hodad]

Having a Nazi sympathizer and Holocaust denier on the board is a sort of novelty, like having a genuine flat-Earther, but also a harbinger of sorts. A Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come. Take heed, conspiracy theorists, this is your future if you build for yourselves an alternate reality of heterodoxy and false history. Your election denials and climate denials and FBI conspiracies and other nonsense that turns you away from the reality where the rest of us live.

[CouchPotato]

23 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Take heed, conspiracy theorists, this is your future if you build for yourselves an alternate reality of heterodoxy and false history. Your election denials and climate denials and FBI conspiracies and other nonsense that turns you away from the reality where the rest of us live.

You are right. I could easily see the people who say Trump is going to end democracy becoming Nazis.

Seriously though, there are conspiracy theorists on either side of the aisle and being one does not necessarily mean you will fall into Nazism.

Edited August 7 by CouchPotato

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

No that's your definition, not his.

He was probably just being politically correct.

This goes far beyond just border issues. Decades of right-wing gas lighting over the threats posed by immigrants - with crime, to culture, against values and even blood poisoning by some popular accounts.

Oh yeah it's definitely hyper. 

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[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

Hyper-nationalism - with a paranoid hyper right wing bent to it these days.

hyper nationalism being defined as "anyone who thinks it might be a good idea to have a border and not let EVERYONE in". 

And 'hyper right wing being defined as anyone right of castro. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, CouchPotato said:

You are right. I could easily see the people who say Trump is going to end democracy becoming Nazis.

Seriously though, there are conspiracy theorists on either side of the aisle and being one does not necessarily mean you will fall into Nazism.

It's the rejection of the world of orthodox information in favor of "secret truths" that only the special few embrace. And embracing these secrets makes one special. (Though not in a way that's appealing to the rest of us.) 

Some people simply get off on that feeling. Trutherism, birtherism, Q-Anon. It's a progressiin. Not everyone will slide down the slope, but if one is likely to go the full distance, these are the warning whistles. 

Like the best missionaries, our recent arrival is intelligent and well spoken enough to conduct the dialectic, eager to help receptive minds find their way to "the truth" one point at a time. If one has fallen for those other isms, they will be easy marks. 

 

And Trump has already tried to overthrow our democracy once. It would be foolish to think he's above trying again. Rather, he's more prepared. This election is going to be a shitshow. For 4 years the Trumpublicans have been actively placing election deniers in as many positions as possible, with the expectation that they are likely to refuse to certify results with a Trump loss. It's going to get very messy. 

Edited August 7 by Hodad