Republican party has become a lie machine. What a degradation

[myata]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

He did make that decision on his own, but it has nothing to do with thinking of his country first.

Not at all: he did at the right moment, for the country and the party; by a brilliant move of a master of democratic politics, as opposed to a brainless; angry bag of hot lies that just can't stop spewing them out. And the howling and whining of the lying crowd is the best proof of that. They just don't have anything, zero zilch to say on the essence.

They only had to stay with the reason and integrity. No one made them hand in their brains and honesty. "By their own choice: no reasons" this is how the history will remember them.

[Perspektiv]

23 minutes ago, myata said:

a brilliant move

There is nothing brilliant about it. He had no choice. They were pushing him out. Very publicly, no less.

You can fluff it all you want. He had to step down. Accepted to do so. Speaks volumes on his character that he was able to swallow his pride, but to make it as if it was what he wanted from the start, is silly.

He was backed against a wall, and crushed and couldn't breathe. Only someone deliberately trying to sabotage their party would remain, fully sullying their reputation.

He had to go.

26 minutes ago, myata said:

this is how the history will remember them.

If Trump wins a presidency, they will remember how little time they gave Kamala to prepare for the passing of the torch.

[Nationalist]

29 minutes ago, myata said:

Not at all: he did at the right moment, for the country and the party; by a brilliant move of a master of democratic politics, as opposed to a brainless; angry bag of hot lies that just can't stop spewing them out. And the howling and whining of the lying crowd is the best proof of that. They just don't have anything, zero zilch to say on the essence.

They only had to stay with the reason and integrity. No one made them hand in their brains and honesty. "By their own choice: no reasons" this is how the history will remember them.

People...

If you've ever doubted that the Democrats could not have cheated in 2020, browse this person's posts.

It's one thing to be a common shill like @robosmith, it's quite another to be freaked out to the point of desperate insanity.

Kamala Harris is apparently the Democrat nominee now. Yet even California knows she's a twit. This myata person would have and will do anything to abate his psychosis. Anything.

Someone already shot at Trump. These freaks will cheat and will feel 100% justified in doing so.

Watch these crazies closely. Watch all of them closely.

They WILL try to cheat.

[myata]

14 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

He had no choice. They were pushing him out.

Turn your brain back on: why part with it, voluntarily? It's the timing of the move that made much difference here. Go ahead, ignore it if you like but it wouldn't make it any less brilliant. Trump was asked to step aside for the good of the country. One can bet what his answer was. Facts are before our eyes. They cannot be argued with. Trumps of the world will do it any time but it only because they are prepared to step over anything, the reality itself to get to the power.

[User]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Turn your brain back on: why part with it, voluntarily?

He had little choice. The party turned against him. The donors dried up. His supporters turned against him. Party leaders were increasing the leaks against him. 

There was nothing brilliant about what Biden did. 

[myata]

One question is what has to be done. Another: when is the best time to do it. And then some just wouldn't and couldn't do what needs to be done. They are allergic to it, it goes against their very nature.

Facts cannot lie. The reality exists and it does not lie.

[Perspektiv]

1 hour ago, myata said:

It's the timing of the move that made much difference here.

Basically when he had his back against the wall, and nothing, not even a rope or flotation device. 

Thats when he stepped down. 👏 Brilliant! 

Only thing it shows, is that he has some integrity.

The fact he felt he was the best hope America had until he was pressured to step down, speaks volumes on his self awareness.

1 hour ago, myata said:

Trump was asked to step aside for the good of the country. One can bet what his answer was. 

There is no pressure for him to do so. Donors are also not pressuring him to do so.

Trump would quit the moment everyone turned on him, because a narssissist like him couldn't handle that level of rejection.

He draws better crowds, has an immense backing. 

Its just not the same.

When even your entire party wants you gone, you're a lame duck. 

I guarantee you many Republicans want Trump gone, but not one has the balls to voice it publicly. They in front of cameras, have a united front as a result.

Biden should get credit for stepping down, but not for its brilliance.

For him accepting that he was unfit to be a president.

Thats not brilliant. Its sad it took the fraying and cracks showing in his partys armor, for him to wake up.

[CouchPotato]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Turn your brain back on: why part with it, voluntarily? It's the timing of the move that made much difference here. Go ahead, ignore it if you like but it wouldn't make it any less brilliant. Trump was asked to step aside for the good of the country. One can bet what his answer was. Facts are before our eyes. They cannot be argued with. Trumps of the world will do it any time but it only because they are prepared to step over anything, the reality itself to get to the power.

C'mon now. Biden backed out because he is senile and doesn't have a shot. It took weeks of people telling him to drop out and donors pulling out. Biden dropped out of his own free will.....after he had no other choice.

Trump has a shot. Many people want him to be president again. He doesn't suffer from MILD COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENT!!!, as robosmith calls it. Why would he back out?

There are some crazy Trump supporters who claim he is a genius. They claim he is playing 5d chess in the political world. Everything he does is dignified and honorable and selfless. Everything the other side does are the actions of a supervillain and his minions. You sound like that.

 

Edited July 24 by CouchPotato

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, myata said:

Turn your brain back on: why part with it, voluntarily? It's the timing of the move that made much difference here. Go ahead, ignore it if you like but it wouldn't make it any less brilliant. Trump was asked to step aside for the good of the country. One can bet what his answer was. Facts are before our eyes. They cannot be argued with. Trumps of the world will do it any time but it only because they are prepared to step over anything, the reality itself to get to the power.

He got pushed out myata.  The debate showed the world he was senile and unfit to continue and the dems got together and pushed him right out the door. 

Yawn. Wake me for your next scheduled bout of crazy in about an hour. 

[myata]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Basically when he had his back against the wall, and nothing, not even a rope or flotation device. 

You chose to be obtuse OK its your choice can't be argued. But the other bunch has ended up with a poisonous candidate, a bombastic liar, chaotic manager and everyone with a grain of intelligence knows the rest. Nobody forced them there; it would take only a grain of memory and reason to know: no, this is not the way cannot be. But they didn't listen to it. Locked in their own stupidity and decay of integrity and principles.

And that was the right moment to bow out. Well played, Joe.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, myata said:

You chose to be obtuse OK its your choice can't be argued. But the other bunch has ended up with a poisonous candidate, a bombastic liar, chaotic manager and everyone with a grain of intelligence knows the rest.

Sure, Kamala is all that and worse but what other choice did they have?

[herbie]

11 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

He did make that decision on his own, but it has nothing to do with thinking of his country first.

As you are not a confident of Biden, that is strictly your opinion and nothing else.
As someone who considers his past behaviour, I will takes his own words at face value, unless they're proven otherwise.
As using your method, I'd have to assume Kennedy eats human flesh simply because he said he doesn't and I don't "like" him.

Edited July 24 by herbie

[CdnFox]

Just now, herbie said:

As you are not a confident of Biden, that is strictly your opinion and nothing else.

LOL - no, no it is not   ROFLMAO!!!  

 

[myata]

In how many combinations can one mix these three: "worship"; "anathema"; and "bullsh*t"? Can someone make the full list and pass it to the deadbrain bunch so they wouldn't have to squeeze the last drops of dead energy from those dead neurons?

[CdnFox]

37 minutes ago, myata said:

In how many combinations can one mix these three: "worship"; "anathema"; and "bullsh*t"? 

I don't know - how many children do you have so far?

[myata]

I encourage everyone to watch the events developing in Venezuela right now. This is how innocent games with "just find me those votes" and "won't have to vote again" end. And sure, Maduro is a "tough leader".

No way we couldn't have known.

Edited July 30 by myata

[User]

24 minutes ago, myata said:

I encourage everyone to watch the events developing in Venezuela right now. This is how innocent games with "just find me those votes" and "won't have to vote again" end. And sure, Maduro is a "tough leader".

No way we couldn't have known.

The rhetoric of Trump and what is actually happening with Maduro are in different universes. 

You are just irrationally fear-mongering.

And the real stupidity here is that the Biden administration coddled Maduro and eased sanctions trying to think they could get him to allow real elections. 

Once again, it is the liberal Democrats running our foreign policy that helped Maduro. 

 

Edited July 30 by User

[Five of swords]

On 7/21/2024 at 2:42 PM, myata said:

There's no obligation on a sitting president to run for reelection. The best candidates for the country should run. Not convicted felons. Not alleged conspirators in overturning democratic elections "just find me those votes". It is not going anywhere, no one cannot just cover this kind of sh*t with a see-through napkin and pretend that nothing happened.

And so, it's here to stay. What is going is the dignity and integrity of the party. As a whole - no way around that now. First, it was a loudmouth liar and you didn't have to give in to the lies. Then it was a mindless angry mob and nobody made you hand your reason and principles to them. And now, the stain and blemish is on the entire party.

I can't see how it could come back to anything resembling normality now with the weight of so many unprincipled acts and impossible lies. If it does exist, it has to be one of those miracles. Shame. Disgusting too. And all of this has happened before so no way they could claim not knowing where this path would lead them.

 

I think it is quite clear that both parties are just stupid and also lie all the time. Fortunately no politician has any real power. But what you are seeing now was always inevitable. It is poison fruit from the poison tree. The American revolution was a disaster.

Edited July 30 by Five of swords

[Rebound]

On 7/24/2024 at 9:29 AM, User said:

He had little choice. The party turned against him. The donors dried up. His supporters turned against him. Party leaders were increasing the leaks against him. 

There was nothing brilliant about what Biden did. 

The same can definitely be said of Trump at many times. The choice was Biden’s alone to make. He could have kept going or not. 

[User]

3 minutes ago, Rebound said:

The same can definitely be said of Trump at many times. The choice was Biden’s alone to make. He could have kept going or not. 

That is like saying a man driving over a cliff still had a choice to keep going. Well, duh. Sure, but he had little choice if he wanted to outcome to be anything other than his death. 

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, myata said:

I encourage everyone to watch the events developing in Venezuela right now. This is how innocent games with "just find me those votes" and "won't have to vote again" end. And sure, Maduro is a "tough leader".

No way we couldn't have known.

It's actually a good example of what happens when you listen to the left.  this is why it's wrong to be on the left. 

They can avoid Harris making the US another venezuela by electing trump.  There's no way they couldn't have known  

[myata]

No, one shouldn't ignore the reality: he said those things; and he tried them; and here, right before our eyes is what happens if or when they are shrugged off and becomes usual and normal. Someone can close their eyes, whistle and look away but there's simply no way anyone could claim that they didn't know: what it looks like; and quite likely, is.

[User]

9 minutes ago, myata said:

No, one shouldn't ignore the reality: he said those things; and he tried them; and here, right before our eyes is what happens if or when they are shrugged off and becomes usual and normal. Someone can close their eyes, whistle and look away but there's simply no way anyone could claim that they didn't know: what it looks like; and quite likely, is.

Said what things? Tried what?

Nothing Trump did is even in the same Universe as Maduro. 

It was Biden and the Democrats who thought they could be friends with Maduro and eased sanctions on him. 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, User said:

Said what things? Tried what?

 

Weren't you listening!?!  His imaginary friends could NOT have been more clear!

[CouchPotato]

20 minutes ago, myata said:

No, one shouldn't ignore the reality: he said those things; and he tried them; and here, right before our eyes is what happens if or when they are shrugged off and becomes usual and normal. Someone can close their eyes, whistle and look away but there's simply no way anyone could claim that they didn't know: what it looks like; and quite likely, is.

The thing is, myata. We don't buy your assessment of things. You have every right to have your assessment, but your arguments are not convincing us. Saying over and over that your view is the obvious one, and that it's the reality does nothing for your cause.

What you fail to see is that many of us see the Democrat party as a lie machine. We think they have degraded themselves, but moreso. We've seen them use law fair against political opponents. We've seen them label parents who protest at schoolboards as a domestic terrorist threat. We've seen the IRS weaponized. We've seen them pretend that a man who was clearly suffering from dementia for years was absolutely fine. Nothing to see here. That was truly surreal. We see all of that, and we see that there are two choices. Of the two, we see the Democrats as far worse.

Edited July 30 by CouchPotato