Republican party has become a lie machine. What a degradation

[User]

Remember when Biden was begging Maduro for more oil while opposing American production?

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/gop-lawmakers-blast-biden-turning-venezuelan-dictator-oil-while-curbing-domestic-production

[Matthew]

On 7/22/2024 at 6:21 AM, myata said:

As said: the conversion is entirely voluntary this time. There was nothing to point to as a cause or explanation. And it's not called just "Trump" don't even try that lying smugness. It is:

- pathological, prolific and vitriolic lying

- a factual record of felony

- a vicious assault on democracy, alleged conspiracy to overturn a democratic election

- deep admiration and seemingly unbreakable connection to dictator thugs of the worst kind

That's what it is. And the choice is all yours.

The current trend of unprincipled right wing demagoguery, where obviously false misinformation talking points become dogma and parroted slogans far predates trumps days in politics. I think the first time I started to witness it was 90s AM talk radio, in the politics surrounding the iraq war, and really heigtening as the so-called tea party movement turned into a anti-Obama movement.

[CdnFox]

55 minutes ago, Matthew said:

The current trend of unprincipled right wing demagoguery, where obviously false misinformation talking points become dogma and parroted slogans far predates trumps days in politics. I think the first time I started to witness it was 90s AM talk radio, in the politics surrounding the iraq war, and really heigtening as the so-called tea party movement turned into a anti-Obama movement.

That must have been about when the brain worm got you. 

Every politician going back to ceaser and before has 'talking points' and people either agree with them or not. That's the same with all parties in all countries in all time periods, thanks for noticing. 

But the idea that the leader is some sort of never-to-be-questioned person ESPECIALLY in the republican party simply doesn't stand up.

What we have witnessed is the increase in hyperpartisanship, which is exemplified by your post.  We've seen it before but it's been a long while, and now we see it a lot.  And the dems are the worst for it (this time around)

[myata]

See how the liars want to make it only about different "talking points" regardless of their connection to the reality and truth? They exist in their own world where the reality is secondary to their objectives and they can blow it like a bubble. But bad, bad for you when it bursts as it does, always. The reality will continue to exist, and will always catch up no matter the temperature of the lies. Watch Venezuela.

1 hour ago, Matthew said:

The current trend of unprincipled right wing demagoguery, where obviously false misinformation talking points become dogma and parroted slogans far predates trumps days in politics

To be fair I'm not sure this trend can be attributed solely to one side of the politics. It's the binary system that makes it a zero sum game: it's much easier for any politicians to score points by blaming the arch-opponent than by showing a real record of achievement. As all animals, politicians adapt to their environment, incentives and stimuli.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, myata said:

See how the liars want to make it only about different "talking points" regardless of their connection to the reality and truth? They exist in their own world where the reality is secondary to their objectives and they can blow it like a bubble. But bad, bad for you when it bursts as it does, always. The reality will continue to exist, and will always catch up no matter the temperature of the lies. Watch Venezuela.

To be fair I'm not sure this trend can be attributed solely to one side of the politics. It's the binary system that makes it a zero sum game: it's much easier for any politicians to score points by blaming the arch-opponent than by showing a real record of achievement. As all animals, politicians adapt to their environment, incentives and stimuli.

You're the liar and the spammer Myata. 

[myata]

1 hour ago, CouchPotato said:

We don't buy your assessment of things. You have every right to have your assessment,

No: those are the objective facts of reality. You "don't buy" the facts, cannot accept the objective reality? Tell me what you are the first one of that tribe. But no, I'm not in the least interested in alternative private realities. What you buy or not is your problem only.

[myata]

Watch the automatic jerk reflux when nothing intelligible could come out of the dead brain. Observe it over and over. What surprises?

[Legato]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

The same can definitely be said of Trump at many times. The choice was Biden’s teleprompter alone to make. He could have kept going or not. 

Fixed.

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, myata said:

No: those are the objective facts of reality. 

You have absolutely no idea what reality looks like or even what it's current address is. 

5 minutes ago, myata said:

Watch the automatic jerk reflux when nothing intelligible could come out of the dead brain. Observe it over and over. What surprises?

We dd. We saw you very clearly.  Maybe stop being such an automatic Jerk. 

[Legato]

7 minutes ago, myata said:

Watch the automatic jerk reflux when nothing intelligible could come out of the dead brain. Observe it over and over. What surprises?

Cmon Myata we all know you still get startled by a Jack-in-a-Box.

[myata]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

Cmon Myata we all know

Are you folks in the same K-grade class? Must be hilarious, those were such fun and carefree times.

[Legato]

2 minutes ago, myata said:

Are you folks in the same K-grade class? Must be hilarious, those were such fun and carefree times.

You seem to have first hand knowledge so why are the question?

[myata]

15 hours ago, Legato said:

You seem to have first hand knowledge so why are the question?

Many of us do, not everyone graduated though, as it seems.

[myata]

He said those things; he tried to do some of them. And the logical outcome of them is right before our eyes.

Let's understand what has transpired here. That extreme right in Europe we're hearing about, it works entirely, 100% within the democratic political system. Never, ever it questioned the foundations of democracy, such as the legitimacy of democratic elections. Netherlands, Italy, France, Slovakia: it just doesn't happen.

The Republican party just whizzed by and through this red line first by tolerating it, and then encouraging with repeated nomination, shrugging it off like a normal, regular thing. And it didn't even as much as notice. It took the tiniest of nudges to dive into it happily, "the unity".

This is what happened here: the party is taking itself outside of the framework and foundations of democracy. In its current views, now stamped and sealed with the nomination, it's perfectly fine to claim elections they don't like "stolen"; refuse to certify them; "find" the votes needed even fraudulently; encourage social discontent and riots; spread outrageous lies.

You know something, right? This is no democracy: democracy just doesn't look like that. It's the third world. Chavez and Maduro do that. Putin does that, routinely. So what if it becomes normal and acceptable, and even encouraged?

Now we can see where this path would take the society and the country. And we wouldn't be able to claim we didn't know.

[myata]

What is important to see and understand here: none of this can be shrugged away. This is not possible now. Either, it's the new normal and then, very likely: the standard. Or, it is rejected and sanctioned, in the strongest terms possible in democracy to discourage any and all attempts to try that again. Only two options and nothing in between. Don't even dream that you can hide this sh*t away by pretending to not notice the smell. Yes: it's still here.

[Legato]

22 minutes ago, myata said:

Many of us do, not everyone graduated though, as it seems.

Grasduating from K-Mart isn't really an achievement you should be crowing about

[User]

46 minutes ago, myata said:

What is important to see and understand here: none of this can be shrugged away. This is not possible now. Either, it's the new normal and then, very likely: the standard. Or, it is rejected and sanctioned, in the strongest terms possible in democracy to discourage any and all attempts to try that again. Only two options and nothing in between. Don't even dream that you can hide this sh*t away by pretending to not notice the smell. Yes: it's still here.

Dear Diary... 

[myata]

And this is exactly why the brainless bunch will try their best, all time ever to pretend that the sh*t didn't happen. Maduro and Putin know how it's done and they now, too.

No. This isn't going anywhere. The new de facto normal, and standard. Or rejection and sanction. No other options, in this reality. Don't even dream that this kind of sh*t could just go away, disappear miraculously, if only we refuse to see and admit it.

[User]

10 minutes ago, myata said:

And this is exactly why the brainless bunch will try their best, all time ever to pretend that the sh*t didn't happen. Maduro and Putin know how it's done and they now, too.

No. This isn't going anywhere. The new de facto normal, and standard. Or rejection and sanction. No other options, in this reality. Don't even dream that this kind of sh*t could just go away, disappear miraculously, if only we refuse to see and admit it.

When you are ready to engage here, let me know. Otherwise, you might as well type to yourself in notepad. 

[myata]

Bullsh*t is not a valid answer. Sh*tting in other people homes is just sh*tting: there are no explanations or comforting etc. The stupidest idea of gaining respect of others is sh*tting gratuitously and profusely in their homes. That just doesn't work, but try explaining it to a dead brain.

This is not going anywhere. The new standard, or something to be condemned and sanctioned to discourage any attempts to try it again as the only options. We knew it and its our choice.

[User]

44 minutes ago, myata said:

Bullsh*t is not a valid answer. Sh*tting in other people homes is just sh*tting: there are no explanations or comforting etc. The stupidest idea of gaining respect of others is sh*tting gratuitously and profusely in their homes. That just doesn't work, but try explaining it to a dead brain.

This is not going anywhere. The new standard, or something to be condemned and sanctioned to discourage any attempts to try it again as the only options. We knew it and its our choice.

Who are you talking to?

You refuse to engage with almost everyone here. Get a diary. 

 

[myata]

What, the deadbrains now have a problem with the freedom of speech? One has to apply for their permission to "engage"?

No jokes here, though: this is how this cults thinks. And we can see very clearly: right before our eyes, how it ends.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, myata said:

What, the deadbrains now have a problem with the freedom of speech? One has to apply for their permission to "engage"?

No jokes here, though: this is how this cults thinks. And we can see very clearly: right before our eyes, how it ends.

Dear therapist... 

[User]

4 minutes ago, myata said:

What, the deadbrains now have a problem with the freedom of speech? One has to apply for their permission to "engage"?

No jokes here, though: this is how this cults thinks. And we can see very clearly: right before our eyes, how it ends.

Dear diary...

[myata]

It was the dumbest idea of the dumb to believe even for a moment that this kind of sh*t could just go away, under a thin napkin of "unity". Pretend to not see it and like it doesn't exist - a toddler's kind of idea. Welcome to the new politics, by the way.

Nope: it's not going anywhere, zero chance. Either its rejected utterly and condemned clearly to make any future liar think many times before trying something like that again. Or it'll become the new standard for every new loser loudmouth liar to stretch a bit further: all the way to Maduro, and why less? Yes, only two choices in any honest look. What surprises or miracles?