CdnFox Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 3 hours ago, myata said: As said: they'll spill it all, you don't even need to add anything. The presidents should just "find those votes" or cancel elections they don't like. Justice system, not necessary. Now, important: what does that future look to you like? Does it look like greatness again, or some totalitarian sh*thole the felon so loves to grope and kiss everywhere? Don't turn away, answer it if there's a single thinking sell still working: what would it look like? Confucius say confused loser who lives in mommy's basement seems confused 1 minute ago, herbie said: ROFLMAO - the guy was forced out against his will and had to be dragged kicking and screaming They have no plan because it never occurred to them that after a year or two of constantly denying Biden's obvious dementia that the dems would suddenly admit to it and kick him out 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CouchPotato Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 7 hours ago, myata said: - Pathological, prolific and vitriolic lying. Fact: not a single lying claim was confirmed in dozens of cases. - A factual record of felony. Objective fact. - A vicious assault on democracy, alleged conspiracy to overturn a democratic election. Published, active court case. - Deep admiration and seemingly unbreakable connection to dictator thugs of the worst kind. Fact: multiple published confessions. All is in the plain, obvious sight. Myata, I think a lot of Americans look at the charges against Trump, and they just don't buy that this guy is any worse a criminal than most of Washington. I mean take overvaluing Mar-a-Lago. The banks did not even complain about it being fraud. Do you really think that this is the epitome of shady business dealings in Washington? Classified documents. Biden had those. You will notice that Trump wasn't being indicted for anything until he was running again. For many people, the number of charges against Trump does nothing to make the case that he is a horrible criminal any more convincing. It looks like political targeting. I see Democrats on TV saying no politician is above the law. I mean a lot of people just don't buy it. Politicians have been above the law for years, on both sides of the aisle. I've never seen politicians care so much about other politicians being above the law until Trump came along. How can anyone vote for someone so terrible? Both Democrats and Republicans have been doing it for years. Ted Kennedy drove off a bridge with a female campaign worker in his car. He survived and claimed he tried to save her. But he left her body there, and didn't report the accident until the next day. Democrats revered that guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted July 22 Author Report Share Posted July 22 Well yes. If you lie, renounce and totally annihilate your principles; reputation; dignity; integrity; self-respect; independent and critical thought, all for the sake of getting to the power; and then, give it up - what's left then? Nothing. Absolute zero of emptiness, vacuum. Power is the one and sole essence and purpose of the cult now - behind it, next nothing is left standing. What an astounding deflation. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted July 22 Author Report Share Posted July 22 14 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: You will notice that Trump wasn't being indicted for anything until he was running again Well this isn't true, factually: Trump's indictments. 15 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: Politicians have been above the law for years, on both sides But how much above, does it matter? Is there an example of "just find me those votes"? Or "don't you certify that election" because I don't like it? See the main problem with this kind of argument, as already commented is the slippery slope that it is. Where does it end? Every executive from now on, finding votes after the election and refusing to accept and certify? What's there to stop it later on, if it isn't stopped the first time around? No talking won't be of any help here: you either disallow and sanction it the first time its attempted; or accept it and make the new normal. And nothing in between, certainly not words that mean nothing. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CouchPotato Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 3 minutes ago, myata said: Well this isn't true, factually: Trump's indictments. Trump announced he was running in 2022. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 32 minutes ago, herbie said: Biden stepped down, because the pressure to do so was withering. He refused, until the very end. It took prominent party members publicly stating he was a threat to his party, bluntly along with the media fully turning on him to realize he was in no man's land. He didn't do this willfully. He did it begrudgingly. Also, he has given Harris 3 months to prepare for this. Not exactly generous. Politically, that timing is a d*** move. Him stepping down was because he had to accept there were too many wanting him gone, for him remaining to be viable. I think its more to do with his reputation than his country. He would be damaging any gains he made as a politician, and be remembered for the humiliating manner with which he exited. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted July 22 Author Report Share Posted July 22 24 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: Trump announced he was running in 2022. Any thug or criminal, drug lord, war criminal etc could have made an announcement and what could that signify? An instant relief from all and any responsibility? Are you in the line to hand in your brain? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 1 minute ago, myata said: Any thug or criminal, drug lord, war criminal etc could have made an announcement and what could that signify? it would signify he's running for president in 2024. How stupid do you have to be to need that explained to you. If someone announces they're running for president, what it means is they're running for president. And after that they started creating lawsuits that everyone knows are pure nonsense and would never have been launched if trump wasn't running for office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CouchPotato Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, myata said: See the main problem with this kind of argument, as already commented is the slippery slope that it is. Where does it end? Every executive from now on, finding votes after the election and refusing to accept and certify? What's there to stop it later on, if it isn't stopped the first time around? It was stopped the first time around. I think a lot of people look at the Democrat party using lawfare against political opponents, the IRS targeting conservatives, parents being labeled terrorists for protesting at school board meetings, trying to remove political opponents from the ballot, and they really don't see them as the defenders of democracy. Trump asking them not to certify didn't stop democracy. And if he wins he only has one term left anyway. I am not American. So, I won't be deciding, either way. But I think the Democrats and the left are a greater threat to democracy here. I mean, I've seen left-wing columnists arguing that free speech is a threat to democracy. It seems like everything democratic is a threat to democracy. We will see what happens in November. If Americans decide to elect Trump, in spite of the complaints you raise, that will be democracy. Edited July 22 by CouchPotato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted July 22 Author Report Share Posted July 22 8 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: We will see what happens in November. If Americans decide to elect Trump, in spite of the complaints you raise, that will be democracy. It would be something with that label. The rest would be up in the air - an unknown really. Can democracy exist, where the executive is free to interfere in the elections, and find any number of votes they need to "fix" them? You can call that thing anything you like but what would it mean in reality? What kind of "democracy" would that be - of the founding fathers or Putin's? The word is the same. I won't and can't argue, of course people can - like it's in their power, to elect anyone, drug lords and war criminals included. And it happened, not here though and yet. What isn't possible is to avoid the immediate logical consequences of the choices we make. That is not possible, in this rational universe at least. You elect a criminal, shrug it off once - stamp and sealed, it becomes the new normal. No you absolutely wouldn't be able to argue that it's bad every time except this one. That logic doesn't exist. Now you know. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CouchPotato Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 5 minutes ago, myata said: That is not possible, in this rational universe at least. You elect a criminal, shrug it off once - stamp and sealed, it becomes the new normal. No you absolutely wouldn't be able to argue that it's bad every time except this one. That logic doesn't exist. Now you know. Thank you for your teachings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted July 22 Author Report Share Posted July 22 5 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: Thank you for your teachings. What would I have to do with it - thank the reality. Would you like a football game in which we change the rules this one time only and then try to keep it going as if nothing happened? If we accept it, it becomes the new normal. And then again. Done and sealed. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 (edited) 3 minutes ago, myata said: What would I have to do with it - thank the reality. Would you like a football game in which we change the rules this one time only and then try to keep it going as if nothing happened? If we accept it, it becomes the new normal. And then again. Done and sealed. So sarcasm doesn't exist in on your planet? Edited July 22 by CdnFox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted July 23 Report Share Posted July 23 4 hours ago, Perspektiv said: He did it That is the point. King $hit could never do thatl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted July 23 Report Share Posted July 23 9 hours ago, herbie said: That is the point. You made it as he did it for the good of his country. He didn't. He did it because his party was literally falling apart and making pointed pleas for him to step down, which is humiliating. Him staying would mean further humiliation, from Trump mopping the floor with him. Trump has a united front behind him. Am sure many want him gone, but nobody is willing to risk their political future to risk it. Trump would never have to make such a decision. Also, he is such a narssissist, that if his support fully evaporated, he would just do the same he did in the military, quit when the going got tough. He is fighting now, because he has the incentive to. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted July 23 Author Report Share Posted July 23 "United in lie" the new great motto. Enjoy, free. But Joe played them fair, square and dumb: no one forced you dive headlong into that sh*t, there was no coercion nor obligation: only the final degradation of integrity and principles. And the lies do the rest, as always. Joe has done more than his fair due but this work is greater than any one man or woman. It is time for the sane America, of integrity and will, of great tradition of democracy and freedom to come together, stand together and stem the tide of mindless lying. There's work and place for everyone regardless of the stripe or place. This is about way more than one candidate, any one party. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted July 23 Author Report Share Posted July 23 (edited) So, the hat goes off to Joe. A great term. Great leadership of the free world, standing to the new generation of brutal fascist thugs not cowering and sucking up to them. And this masterstroke nearing the end of the political term. Beyond the mundane, and above the call. Respect is due where it belongs. But the work isn't done yet. The time is of unity; reason and will. The time is to stop the tide of brainless, unprincipled lying that goes against all and every foundation and principle the great free nation was build upon. Edited July 23 by myata Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted July 23 Report Share Posted July 23 7 hours ago, myata said: "United in lie" the new great motto. Enjoy, free. But Joe played them fair, square and dumb: no one forced you dive headlong into that sh*t, there was no coercion nor obligation: only the final degradation of integrity and principles. And the lies do the rest, as always. Joe has done more than his fair due but this work is greater than any one man or woman. It is time for the sane America, of integrity and will, of great tradition of democracy and freedom to come together, stand together and stem the tide of mindless lying. There's work and place for everyone regardless of the stripe or place. This is about way more than one candidate, any one party. If all of that giberish means "he was forced out against his will and had to turn the reigns over to kamala whom he hates and whom his wife REALLY hates" Then yes. If it turns out to be a recipe for fish sticks nevermind. The humourous thing is all the people who wanted him gone and were pushing him out have come out spouting how courageous he was and how selfless. It doesnt' take courage to leave a race when someone puts a gun to your head and you were losing anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted July 24 Author Report Share Posted July 24 No: there's no consolation for making a dumb; ugly; unprincipled and generally unacceptable choice. Nobody pulled their hand. They brought it upon themselves only by handing their brains in to the liars on a plate. Just like it happened in another land another time. No explanations; no excuses for letting go of, parting with one's reason; conscience; principles; integrity and dignity. And nothing to say, either. 1 Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted July 24 Report Share Posted July 24 Biden stepped down of his own accord. We all saw it, we all heard it. Unlike the utter blockheads that keep denying that, he was able to be persuaded to with the undeniable facts and reason from others. Things that could never, ever change the mind of a blockhead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CouchPotato Posted July 24 Report Share Posted July 24 (edited) On 7/22/2024 at 8:00 PM, myata said: What would I have to do with it - thank the reality. Well, I think the reality owes you some credit, too. Edited July 24 by CouchPotato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted July 24 Report Share Posted July 24 39 minutes ago, herbie said: Biden stepped down of his own accord. We all saw it, we all heard it. Sure - just like a guy with a gun pointed at him in a back alley hands over his wallet of his own free will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CouchPotato Posted July 24 Report Share Posted July 24 5 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Sure - just like a guy with a gun pointed at him in a back alley hands over his wallet of his own free will. And so selfless of that guy to hand the wallet over, too. He put the needs of that mugger ahead of his own. Trump would never be that brave or selfless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted July 24 Report Share Posted July 24 2 hours ago, CouchPotato said: And so selfless of that guy to hand the wallet over, too. He put the needs of that mugger ahead of his own. Trump would never be that brave or selfless. LOL - that's perfect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted July 24 Report Share Posted July 24 7 hours ago, herbie said: Biden stepped down of his own accord. He did make that decision on his own, but it has nothing to do with thinking of his country first. Just like the secret service chief he appointed, both refused and even were defiant under the withering pressure that they faced. It took some louder voices and fraying starting to show in their united front for them to realize they no longer were welcome. They didn't step down. They were pushed out. They had to swallow their pride and save face. Dignified is them immediately taking responsibility and doing the right thing. I respect Biden, because he did so early enough for Harris to have a chance, but still did do last second because of his stubborn nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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