How do we keep Social Conservatism (Fascism) out of Canada?

[CrazyCanuck89]

Frank Zappa had warned the American public about this back in the 80s.  The Greatest threat to America isn't Socialism or communism.  It's a fascist theocracy, that is the biggest problem.

His words ring true today.  We see the stench make it's way into Canada.

[Michael Hardner]

The theocracy isn't a concern, but an enlightened and gentle society is dependent on economic well-being for the commoner.  And we don't have that.

 

[blackbird]

Your claim that social Conservatism is Fascism is completely false to begin with.  Seems you are attempting to stoke a debate about something that is not real.  There is no connection between Fascism and social Convservatism.

I don't know what your definition of social Conservatism would be but it must be some kind of woke or Communist false definition.  

Adolph Hitler was a Fascist and the Nazis were Fascists.  They were absolute brutal dictators and had an evil ideology of the superiority of their race.

That was not social conservatism at all.  Social Conservatism is not extreme right wing either.  Ordinary conservatism could be described as right of centre on the political spectrum and social Conservatism is just a part of right wing beliefs but encompasses people who are Christians and believe in Christian principles.  That is hardly Fascism.

Calling social Conservatives Fascists is a smear and a BIG lie.  You should be ashamed and apologize for smearing people.

Edited June 19, 2024 by blackbird

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, CrazyCanuck89 said:

Frank Zappa had warned the American public about this back in the 80s. 

well - seeing as it's now 2024 i guess we just keep doing what we've been doing for the last 44 years?

[Legato]

12 hours ago, CrazyCanuck89 said:

 We see the stench make it's way into Canada.

Why are you confusing your nose with myopia.

Take of blindfold you will hear much better.

Edited June 19, 2024 by Legato
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[CDN1]

A Muslim ban would be a good start.

[Dougie93]

9 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The theocracy isn't a concern, but an enlightened and gentle society is dependent on economic well-being for the commoner.  And we don't have that.

there were two components to the rise of Fascism

first there was the humiliating military defeats of the First World War

for the Italians that was Caporetto

next comes the humiliating economic collapse of the Great Depression

National Humiliation is the source of the Fasci di Combattimento, literal translation "Fighting Bands"

[herbie]

Sad state of affairs when 40 years ago Frank Zappa and George Carlin had more brains and foresight than the entire GOP.
And the populist bandwagon dimwits flocking to PP's Conservatives.

[herbie]

2 hours ago, CDN1 said:

A Muslim ban would be a good start.

Mr. Obvious, thinking he's offering counterpoint to the OP...

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, herbie said:

Sad state of affairs when 40 years ago Frank Zappa and George Carlin had more brains and foresight than the entire GOP.
And the populist bandwagon dimwits flocking to PP's Conservatives.

Sure those two things are connected   

If frank and george had even one brain cell they have more than you.  And your leftist have left this country in ruin, that's why people are flocking to pp. It's the dimwits that still think otherwise. 

[CrazyCanuck89]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sure those two things are connected   

If frank and george had even one brain cell they have more than you.  And your leftist have left this country in ruin, that's why people are flocking to pp. It's the dimwits that still think otherwise. 

Forty years ago was when Regan started courting the Evangelicals.  What you see today, is due to 40 years ago.

[Zeitgeist]

23 hours ago, CrazyCanuck89 said:

Frank Zappa had warned the American public about this back in the 80s.  The Greatest threat to America isn't Socialism or communism.  It's a fascist theocracy, that is the biggest problem.

His words ring true today.  We see the stench make it's way into Canada.

I hope for a major return to Christian social conservatism. Canada has become morally repugnant.  

Edited June 20, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[jatt47]

On 6/19/2024 at 3:37 PM, Dougie93 said:

there were two components to the rise of Fascism

first there was the humiliating military defeats of the First World War

for the Italians that was Caporetto

next comes the humiliating economic collapse of the Great Depression

National Humiliation is the source of the Fasci di Combattimento, literal translation "Fighting Bands"

Humiliating defeats of the GWOT + the coming depression?

Might be enough.

Buckle up if you're brown.

If you're white or black - you'll pass the same woman around in the sack!

[Zeitgeist]

The assumption that social conservatives are fascists is unsubstantiated, misleading, and stupid.

[CrazyCanuck89]

24 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The assumption that social conservatives are fascists is unsubstantiated, misleading, and stupid.

Not unsubstantiated at all.  Christian Nationalists are using the same playback as the Third Reich.

1. Convince people of a mythical past.  Remember when their were no homeless in Canada?  That is an example of a mythical.  Something that has never happened.

2. Distrust in the media.  Don't listen to CBC, CTV and Global.  Listen to our right wing propaganda, we have no evidence but trust us.

3. If you can convince one group of people that they're better than another group, they won't notice you stealing their wallet.  We see this with the rights attack on immigrants, LGBT, drug addicts, etc.

[eyeball]

On 6/19/2024 at 8:35 AM, blackbird said:

Adolph Hitler was a Fascist and the Nazis were Fascists.  They were absolute brutal dictators and had an evil ideology of the superiority of their race.

That was not social conservatism at all

As evidenced by how progressive it was?

[eyeball]

On 6/19/2024 at 8:35 AM, blackbird said:

Calling social Conservatives Fascists is a smear and a BIG lie.  You should be ashamed and apologize for smearing people.

I suppose you ridiculous people should be cheered for calling lefties fascists - when you're not busy calling them commies, terrorist sympathizers, anti-Semites or your own peculiar favourite, Satanists.

You should just try you people, it seems to trigger you people no end. 

Edited July 5, 2024 by eyeball

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

The assumption that social conservatives are fascists is unsubstantiated, misleading, and stupid.

The Quintessential Social Conservative was Dwight D. Eisenhower ... who understood how the social frameworks in our public institutions are based and how they change.

[Zeitgeist]

47 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

The Quintessential Social Conservative was Dwight D. Eisenhower ... who understood how the social frameworks in our public institutions are based and how they change.

The issue for social conservatives is always about not throwing the baby out with the bath water when making “improvements”.   It’s basically about the importance of wisdom, because not all that is shiny and new has value, and in fact, there’s a great deal of fool’s gold for sale.  We have to be very careful not to conduct social experiments wherein the risks outweigh potential promised benefits.

I only came to these conclusions in recent years when I began to feel that the world in which my friends and family are living and working feels worse than it did not that many years ago.  I check myself continually to see if this is about age and generational differences, and I chalk some of my misgivings up to that, but certainly not all of them.  I think we’re shooting ourselves in the feet on some of the matters that seemed like progress to most people not long ago: drug liberalization, MAID, gender ideology, carbon taxes, extreme government borrowing and spending, etc.  We’re seeing the confusion grow as living standards, free speech, and healthy guidance decline.

[Army Guy]

On 6/19/2024 at 5:50 PM, herbie said:

Sad state of affairs when 40 years ago Frank Zappa and George Carlin had more brains and foresight than the entire GOP.
And the populist bandwagon dimwits flocking to PP's Conservatives.

You don't think justin and his policies have anything to do with that, people flocking to PP want change, who is going to give that to them.....it is obvious that the liberal party is not going to do that , you think the current NDP is up to that challenge, or maybe the green party... 

[Dougie93]

4 hours ago, jatt47 said:

Humiliating defeats of the GWOT + the coming depression?

Might be enough.

Buckle up if you're brown.

If you're white or black - you'll pass the same woman around in the sack!

well there's nothing actually precluding the brown people from being the fascists

technically, the originating Italian & Spanish fascists were not considered to be white by WASPs

the bourgeois WASP population in the West seems the least likely to be the fascists

rather it seems more likely that WASPs will be the ones being set upon by fascists from the East

[CrazyCanuck89]

30 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

You don't think justin and his policies have anything to do with that, people flocking to PP want change, who is going to give that to them.....it is obvious that the liberal party is not going to do that , you think the current NDP is up to that challenge, or maybe the green party... 

I think people love simple solutions to complicated problems.  Some also love authority and seem to not know how the division of powers work in Canada.

The current NDP isn't a challenge.  They have loads of good policy, but see it as too extreme.  Which is weird because many people benefit, including Conservatives.

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

The Quintessential Social Conservative was Dwight D. Eisenhower ...

I would have to disagree with that, General Eisenhower was a Progressive by the standards of his era

the Quintessential Social Conservative of the day was Billy Graham

[Dougie93]

On 6/19/2024 at 11:32 PM, Zeitgeist said:

I hope for a major return to Christian social conservatism. Canada has become morally repugnant.  

but the Nazarene was not a social conservative

He invoked a radical overthrow of the socially conservative order

Christianity is the ultimate revolution

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, CrazyCanuck89 said:

Not unsubstantiated at all.  Christian Nationalists are using the same playback as the Third Reich.

Entirely stupid and unsubstantiated.  

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1. Convince people of a mythical past.  Remember when their were no homeless in Canada?  That is an example of a mythical.  Something that has never happened.

Never happened then or now. Point to one politician today whos ever claimed there was no homelessness.

So amusingly you just created something "Mythical".  

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2. Distrust in the media.  Don't listen to CBC, CTV and Global.  Listen to our right wing propaganda, we have no evidence but trust us.

 

Hitler demanded trust in the media, and then controlled it. Kind of like justin does. 

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3. If you can convince one group of people that they're better than another group, they won't notice you stealing their wallet.  We see this with the rights attack on immigrants, LGBT, drug addicts, etc.

Umm - it's the liberals that insist those people are 'better'.  And all they do is set one group against another - rich against poor, urban against rural, while vs non white, muslim against christian, gay against straight, there's nobody he won't try to break into different groups, 

Polievre has actually said that needs to stop, That divisiveness is really bad. 

So basically you've just proven that by your definition the left in canada are the fascists. 

well done. Maybe you should have thought that through a little more ,