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Trudeau's immigration minister Marc Miller announces that he is quintupling the number of refugees Canada is taking from Gaza from 1,000 to 5,000.


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38 minutes ago, taxme said:

I would like to see and have a moratorium on immigration altogether for at least the next 7 years or more if required. We just do not have the jobs or the homes to put all of these new immigrants and refugees. But that is not going to stop this insane Marxist liberal government from ending this massive immigration policy that we have in effect now. Sad indeed. 

As I have said before, you don't bring in homeless people from streets into your home when you don't have food and rooms for your own kids. This may appear cold hearted but it is the truth nobody dares to say.

Also the values we cherish are at risk. We need immigrants. But not so many in such a short time. In particular What we don't need are those whose loyalties lies somewhere else, or wish to go on financial assistant forever, or most importantly come here and wish to change our way of life. I am particularly bugged by last one. If they don't like our free democratic society then get the f*ck out. And leave your backward beliefs at home.

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33 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You can suppose that, but it's supposition. 

No it's not Mike. Their people already in Canada Are already behaving in an abominable and incompatible fashion. It is a reasonable thing to say that these people will probably behave in a similar fashion for the most part.

I guarantee you that they won't behave in that fashion here if we never let them in.

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19 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Why can't Arab countries take in 5000?  They sure as heck would never take in any Jews.

Probably for the same reason we didn't take in any Jews way back in the day when we turned them away and help force them onto other people.

It's just to bad there was no one powerful or willing enough to force us. It might have prevented a lot of bad consequences.

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1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Probably for the same reason we didn't take in any Jews way back in the day when we turned them away and help force them onto other people.

It's just too bad there was no one powerful or willing enough to force us. It might have saved the world a lot of bad consequences.

Canada needs to stop taking in new immigrants and refugees period. We have no more room for the millions more refugees that the Marxist dictator wants to bring into Canada in the next number of years. We need a moratorium now. 😇

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1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Is this a supposition that Muslim residents of Gaza are less compatible than Ukrainians born and raised in Europe? 

You're leaving out some factors but yes.

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Are you comfortable and prepared to import hatred and antisemitism?  Bringing in 5000 Gazans will guarantee that 100%.  Are you willing to accept the responsibility for supporting that decision?  The dancing in the streets of Toronto on Oct 7 and shooting at Israeli schools and firebombing synogogues etc?  You can explain why these Jewish families have to live with more of that.

All for what?  Why can't Arab countries take in 5000?  They sure as heck would never take in any Jews.

It's humanitarianism.  I would save civilians without screening them, that's what humanitarian aid is.  I would be equally ok with not giving them status and sending them back to get them out of there.

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36 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I would save civilians without screening them, that's what humanitarian aid is.

When you don't screen, you get what you get. I mean, its in your best interest to import people who can at least fend for themselves in your country.

I grew up around many in the Somali community, and saw these struggles this community faced first hand. Many people I knew, barely could speak English, many were on welfare, and also there was a social stigma attached to these people, where you could see the distrust and those who saw them as freeloaders, lazy and the like.

Bringing them in to be welfare dependent, or committing crime won't help anyone. In fact, it further will alienate the majority, for the actions of the minority, considering they would also be under such a microscope.

Certainly won't help them acclimatize to their new country, if they are reviled by a significant portion of the population.

Not sure how humane this is.

Flip the script. I have seen so many from Ukraine seamlessly acclimatize themselves socially. Many came here, highly educated, speaking English, and having ready to work job skills.

It makes no sense to bring people based on pity.

Bring people in based on your ability to help them, and on their ability to eventually help themselves.

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3 hours ago, Goddess said:

I doubt the government will do any screening.  In practice, we have no standards any more.

Canada has become a haven for terrorists from all over the world.

Goddess great to see you.  We miss you on the other political forum.

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2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Probably for the same reason we didn't take in any Jews way back in the day when we turned them away and help force them onto other people.

 Same reason???

WTF?

Jews in the 1930s were not militant, and looking to spread hate in other countries. Nor were they attempting to topple Governments in countries with similar demographics. 

The Palestinians made their bed, and they can lie in it.

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18 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

When you don't screen, you get what you get. I mean, its in your best interest to import people who can at least fend for themselves in your country.

I grew up around many in the Somali community, and saw these struggles this community faced first hand. Many people I knew, barely could speak English, many were on welfare, and also there was a social stigma attached to these people, where you could see the distrust and those who saw them as freeloaders, lazy and the like.

I have lived in areas somewhat close to where many Somalians reside too. No matter what obstacles they face, they bring it upon themselves, for having the highest rate of criminal activity of any ethnic group in the 21st century. In Winnipeg, they formed Mad Cows and the African Mafia, and were battling the Native Gangs in the streets. Ditto for Mort McMurray, Edmonton, Calgary, and Brooks, Alberta. 

18 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

 

Flip the script. I have seen so many from Ukraine seamlessly acclimatize themselves socially. Many came here, highly educated, speaking English, and having ready to work job skills.

It makes no sense to bring people based on pity.

I agree.

 

The Ukrainans have been a godsend. Open the borders to more Ukrainians.

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2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Probably for the same reason we didn't take in any Jews way back in the day when we turned them away and help force them onto other people.

It's just to bad there was no one powerful or willing enough to force us. It might have prevented a lot of bad consequences.

We turned away Jews in WWII because our government was filled with racist antisemites  If we turn away Gazans now it's because the large majority of THEM are racist antisemites.

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

You're leaving out some factors but yes.

It's humanitarianism.  I would save civilians without screening them, that's what humanitarian aid is.  I would be equally ok with not giving them status and sending them back to get them out of there.

I obviously wouldn't let them die.  But there's a difference in helping people and permanently welcoming them into your society.

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2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

No it's not Mike. Their people already in Canada Are already behaving in an abominable and incompatible fashion. It is a reasonable thing to say that these people will probably behave in a similar fashion for the most part.

I guarantee you that they won't behave in that fashion here if we never let them in.

Yup.

 

Nothing screams being "Canadian" more than waving Palestinian flags in the immediate aftermath of Hamas murdering 1,200 Israelis in cold blood, most of them women and children.

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1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

We turned away Jews in WWII because our government was filled with racist antisemites.

Our government is a representative is it not?

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

If we turn away Gazans now it's because the large majority of THEM are racist antisemites.

If we turn away Hamas sure but they represent Iranians not Palestinians.

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7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

If we turn away Hamas sure but they represent Iranians not Palestinians.

Huh?  Hamas is the democratically elected government in Gaza.  They voted for a terrorist group whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel through terrorism via violent jihad.  They specifically condemn any peace negotiations or diplomacy, only jihad.  It's in their charter.

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1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

 Same reason???

WTF?

Jews in the 1930s were not militant, and looking to spread hate in other countries. Nor were they attempting to topple Governments in countries with similar demographics.

Then why didn't we take them in?

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

The Palestinians made their bed, and they can lie in it.

No they didn't, Canada helped Israel make that bed and forced them into it. We had Chief Justice Acton to thank for that - he rather infamously said one-Jew-too-many when it came to Jews immigrating to Canada back then 

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6 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Huh?  Hamas is the democratically elected government in Gaza.  They voted for a terrorist group whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel through terrorism via violent jihad.  It's in their charter.

You're going to hang that on a dubious majority in a dubious election nearly 20 years ago?

From the River to the Sea is also in Likud's charter.

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36 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Our government is a representative is it not?

If we turn away Hamas sure but they represent Iranians not Palestinians.

Unless you can prove that instead of just making crap up in your head there's no reason to take the risk. 

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14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Then why didn't we take them in?

No they didn't, Canada helped Israel make that bed and forced them into it. We had Chief Justice Acton to thank for that - he rather infamously said one-Jew-too-many when it came to Jews immigrating to Canada back then 

You're seriously blaming Canada for the situation and giving Palestinians a free pass?  Zionism goes back a lot longer than WWII.  Read your history and do your homework.  Every 2-state negotiation has failed since 1947 because Palestinian leaders will not accept final borders with Israel because they do not want Israel to exist in any form whatsoever.  Their goal is the complete elimination of Israel and they won't EVER stop attacking Israel until this happens.  Not in a thousand years.

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20 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You're going to hang that on a dubious majority in a dubious election nearly 20 years ago?

 

Yes.  That's  the choice the people make. They're not doing demonstrations in the streets for new elections, that's for sure. 

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From the River to the Sea is also in Likud's charter.

Likud isn't demonstrating in the streets to demand it as a 'final solution'. Palestine is. 

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21 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You're going to hang that on a dubious majority in a dubious election nearly 20 years ago?

From the River to the Sea is also in Likud's charter.

Do you think the vast majority of Gazans and Palestinians believe in "From the river to the sea..."?  This has been their belief since the day Israel was created and they won't stop killing Jews until all of Israel is conquered by Islam again like it was when the successors of Mohamed's caliphate empire conquered Israel shortly after his death and later renamed it "Palestine" and build mosques on top of the rubble of Jewish synagogues.

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2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Our government is a representative is it not?

If we turn away Hamas sure but they represent Iranians not Palestinians.

1. Hamas represents Palestinians. You may be thinking of Hezbollah.

2. Most Palestinians support Hamas and wish for the destruction of Israel.

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8 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

I have lived in areas somewhat close to where many Somalians reside too. No matter what obstacles they face, they bring it upon themselves, for having the highest rate of criminal activity of any ethnic group in the 21st century.

Its the lack of adaptation skills. Many come from highly traumatic childhoods and lives. Refuse to adapt, and bring those traumas and ways of life, here.

I remember seeing herds of Somali gang members swarming from all sides of my 'hood, to attack a white male who had slighted one of the leaders. This was a regular occurrence in my neighborhood. Baseball bats, twigs, rocks--whatever they could find and pick up, were makeshift weapons that were going to be used. They don't swarm trying to injure--they're trying to kill you. Drive by shootings, but you could tell these people were scared to shoot to kill, as they'd seemingly deliberately miss targets with their shots, but boast about it, later. I have tons of family in cities like NYC. When they want you dead--you'll be dead. They will get out the car, and make sure of it, if they have to.

Not sure how that guy survived, but he was beaten so bloody, you couldn't see any features on him.

It was just known, that "this is how they fight". You might draw first fire by knocking one dude out, but the retribution was something to behold. Very animal like. Tribal.

I befriended a few, who taught me their dialect as a child, but realized I couldn't remain friends with most as we became teenagers, as I felt some behaved literally like animals.

Welfare was a rite of passage. To some, this was free food and rent, so they could relax. No shame. Shame for being on welfare, was a Canadian thing. How do you expect your kids to thrive?

I don't buy the "trauma" BS.

I grew up with so many immigrants who had faced war, and many of which were highly successful by the second generation. Find me a second generation of landed immigrants that come from extreme trauma (I.E Cambodia, Iraq, Lebanon, etc) that are doing poorly. You won't find many if any, as their focus is education.

There's a reason none of the surrounding countries want these people. You're importing trauma, and are overlooking skills, criminal record, and based on where they come from, is an insanely unwise thing to do.

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17 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's refugees, prioritized from a war zone.  No different from what we have done with Ukraine etc.  

Ingenious. Hey have you asked the Poles or the Czechs how much they love these Ukraine "refugees"?

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9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 Every 2-state negotiation has failed since 1947 ...

Once again I am asking about the Oslo Accord.

Your constant discounting of the Palestinians as having any legitimacy leads us to where we are today.  If negotiations are not possible, then you will have constant war - which is what the Israeli PM and Hamas both want.  So no more complaining about innocent civilians on either side, this is the situation you are comfortable with...

11 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I obviously wouldn't let them die.  

Why not ?  They're not reasonable and they want to kill all Jews so unless you want to imprison all of them forever what are you looking for ?

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