The Budget Bombs: Trudeau government gets an angry reception as it promotes federal budget

[CdnFox]

26 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Obviously we have to change the tax rules and as I said earlier join with other countries to ensure there's nothing to be gained by playing countries off against one another like that.

And it was explained to you that it wouldn't work.

Just as it was explained that the carbon tax wouldn't work. And safe supply wouldn't work.

How are you people this consistently wrong?

[eyeball]

28 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And it was explained to you that it wouldn't work.

Not by you. Meanwhile...

More than 140 countries have signed up to the Global Minimum Tax deal. The tax treaty imposes a minimum rate of 15% on the profits of multinationals. The Global Cooperation Barometer launched at Davos calls for more collaboration.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2024/02/oecd-minimum-tax-rate/#:~:text=More than 140 countries have,Davos calls for more collaboration.

Like the vast number of economists who agree carbon taxes are the way to go, the writing is on the wall for tax avoidance but we do need to get the national governments writing it to act on it.

[Army Guy]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

Hope all you want. he is doing exactly what his voters want him to. As a politician not in a majority position he can bite his tongue supporting Justin and get some NDP policies implemented or at best never get any at all and probably see existing one cut or rolled back.
Now who would you say knows more about actual politics? You or Singh?

At best he as guilty as the liberals for everything that is wrong with this country...so he's not that smart...and as far as his service to the liberals as you said it will be all for naught once the conservative start cutting to pay down this huge debt left by both parties....what a waste of air both of them have been...History will judge him, and it is not going to be good...

[herbie]

50 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

he as guilty as the liberals for everything that is wrong with this country.

You mean of doing the only right things that happened, rather than being right and proposing wrong ones all the time. What've they done lately? Opposing  attending the UN Plastic conference, whining how they'll bring back plastic straws. Saying TMX is a good 'start', we need more pipelines....

[CdnFox]

58 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Not by you.

Yes by me. Explicitly.  But you probably don't remember it well because i didn't use crayons.

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Meanwhile...

And canada will be done with that after next year's elections, and ways around it have already been discovered by other countries.  Did they harmonize exemptions?  no? Hmmmm.

Sorry kid, like carbon taxes it's going into the trashcan with all the other utterly failed leftie ideas.  Which was inevitable. Your complete failure to look facts in the face is why you always fail.

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

Obviously we have to change the tax rules and as I said earlier join with other countries to ensure there's nothing to be gained by playing countries off against one another like that.

Meanwhile...

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Meanwhile, halting off shore movement of money has been topics of discussion with every government of every stripe for many decades and yet, here we are, still allowing it to happen.

It is not that simple. You just cannot force people to do what you want with their money.

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Meanwhile, halting off shore movement of money has been topics of discussion with every government of every stripe for many decades and yet, here we are, still allowing it to happen.

It is not that simple. You just cannot force people to do what you want with their money.

If anything, you're making it seem more complicated than it is.  A corporate tax floor is the definition of simple.  MNC profit shifting and tax arbitrage is an absurdity.  The only complicated thing about it is getting large-scale buy-in, which they appear to be getting.

[ExFlyer]

16 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

If anything, you're making it seem more complicated than it is.  A corporate tax floor is the definition of simple.  MNC profit shifting and tax arbitrage is an absurdity.  The only complicated thing about it is getting large-scale buy-in, which they appear to be getting.

All I said was "halting off shore movement of money has been topics of discussion with every government of every stripe for many decades and yet, here we are, still allowing it to happen. "

Bottom line, there will always be a way to manipulate and hide money no matter who sits on the throne. The throne is not paid for by us peons

 

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Meanwhile, halting off shore movement of money has been topics of discussion with every government of every stripe for many decades and yet, here we are, still allowing it to happen.

It is not that simple. You just cannot force people to do what you want with their money.

More like encouragement when us peons refuse to demand any meaningful level of transparency at the interface between public policy makers and a very well funded and motivated private and corporate wealth defence industry.

an army of lawyers, consultants, accountants, lobbyists - paid millions to help billionaires hide trillions

5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

It is not that simple.

They muddy the waters to make them seem deep.

5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

You just cannot force people to do what you want with their money.

All the same there are enormous numbers of paid influencers working around the clock to persuade public policy makers to do what they want, not what the public needs.

 

Edited April 25, 2024 by eyeball

[Army Guy]

16 hours ago, herbie said:

You mean of doing the only right things that happened, rather than being right and proposing wrong ones all the time. What've they done lately? Opposing  attending the UN Plastic conference, whining how they'll bring back plastic straws. Saying TMX is a good 'start', we need more pipelines....

Look the things that the Liberals and NDP are a matter of historical record, it is them who are in charge, what the conservatives say or do is no more than background noise when it comes to running the country...

Lets focus on the damage that Liberals and NDP have done to this country, managed to spend historical record high debt levels, in all 8 of their years of power, every department is been run into the ground and needs fixing, Immigration levels are out of this universe, the list just goes on forever....And your NDP is as guilty as justin is, for allowing it to get this far...

Now if you happy with all that...then your whats wrong with this country, you and every voter that voted for this coalition of wingnuts........Things are not suppose to be this bad...Someone is going to have to fix it, and seeing how the Liberals and NDP broke most of it...that only leaves Conservative party...I know not much of a choice but it is all thats left....as the other parties are made up of whack a doodles and really should be relegated to the back closet... But you go ahead and vote for more damaged departments, huge spending with little to no results...watch our dollar shrink, and our debt levels sky rocket, and our international reputation tanked...because your a patriot, you love your country...

  

[Moonbox]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Bottom line, there will always be a way to manipulate and hide money no matter who sits on the throne. The throne is not paid for by us peons

True enough, but making it easier for them doesn't help anyone but them.  🤷‍♂️

[herbie]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

And your NDP is as guilty as justin is,

Guilty of making attempts to address climate change
Guilty of Courting investment in the auto sector
Guilty of Pharmacare, dental care
Guilty of Moving tax burdens to the wealthy
Guilty of legalizing weed
Guilty of rebates on EVs and energy conservations
Guilty of tax credits for volunteer firefighters, seniors home renos
Guilty of Covid income stabilization
Guilty of boosting immigration tostill  build the country and address worker shortages

Yeah they have much guilt. Could've spent no money on any of those and paid down the deficit as if that would solve any of the problems.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

More like encouragement when us peons refuse to demand any meaningful level of transparency at the interface between public policy makers and a very well funded and motivated private and corporate wealth defence industry.

 

So what would you do with this transparancy?  For example - if you caught a politician, say,  taking large amounts of money or gifts to hold illegal closed door meetings offshore with an all expenses paid luxury trip from a government lobbiest?

WE know the answer - you'll do nothing if its a liberal.

SO whats' the point of MOAR transparency if you won't do anything with it?

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, herbie said:

Guilty of making attempts to address climate change

Guilty of pretending to while doing nothing

 

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Guilty of Courting investment in the auto sector

Guilty of giving the auto sector billions in free money with no guarantees.

 

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Guilty of Pharmacare, dental care

Which covers nothing that 95 percent of people weren't already covered for.

 

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Guilty of Moving tax burdens to the wealthy

Guilty of driving out business investment from canada for the first time in our history.

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Guilty of legalizing weed

Yeah they did that.  Was it worth the rest? not even close.

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Guilty of rebates on EVs and energy conservations

Which has achieved nothing

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Guilty of tax credits for volunteer firefighters, seniors home renos

Guilty of inflation that drove prices up 10 times more than any rebate gave back.

 

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Guilty of Covid income stabilization

Guilty of giving billions in 'covid relief' to businesses that didn't need it

 

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Guilty of boosting immigration tostill  build the country and address worker shortages

Guilty of bringing in too many and driving housing prices through the roof to the point where 'trudeau town' tent cities are springing up everywhere. 

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Yeah they have much guilt.

Yes - they do.  Much. You do too for supporting their destruction of Canada.

[Army Guy]

4 minutes ago, herbie said:

Guilty of making attempts to address climate change
Guilty of Courting investment in the auto sector
Guilty of Pharmacare, dental care
Guilty of Moving tax burdens to the wealthy
Guilty of legalizing weed
Guilty of rebates on EVs and energy conservations
Guilty of tax credits for volunteer firefighters, seniors home renos
Guilty of Covid income stabilization
Guilty of boosting immigration tostill  build the country and address worker shortages

Yeah they have much guilt. Could've spent no money on any of those and paid down the deficit as if that would solve any of the problems.

 

-Failing to make any climate change targets, even when it was them that set those targets....

- recent media stories are telling a much different story, Canadians are not as interested in buying EV's, how many billions were dumped into this project, 30-40 billion...

- Pharma and dental care are not available to all Canadians, but rather a select group , nice try though...and what was the price tag again...15 to 20 bil....

-   tax burdens , what was it they say it would gain 10 bil, and other experts say it will drive our economy down, along with investments

- legalizing weed....WOW, thats a big one, it's going to turn around all our problems 

- the others are to small to even care about...

-yes covid income was a great thing there was billions that claimed that did not qualify and those payments were forgiven...but yes i will say for the most part it needed to be done, just wish they could account for all the 700 bil spent in that time frame.

- immigration and refugee levels it was a good plan but they forgot we did not include any funding for infrastructure in that time to reflect all the new people, which is why we have hotels filled with people, some are homeless, others are leaving...you can't do a half ass job, and call it a winner.

Or they could have lived within their means, covid does not explain the other 5 budgets deficits' which could have been balanced....Noooo sir we need those social programs that only help a small portion of the country...

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

WE know the answer - you'll do nothing if its a liberal.

Meh, your typical rubber and glue response to everything is just a pathetic attempt at trolling.

But it does beg the question what you would do with this transparency? 

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Meh, your typical rubber and glue response to everything is just a pathetic attempt at trolling.

 

Meh  it's very liberal of you to be angry that my response to your nonsense is the same each time.

And no - a "Rubber and glue" argument is something entirely different. If you can't make an intelligent reply at least try not to use the wrong words on top of it.

So you have no answer as usual. You keep demanding more accountability and yet parent address the fact that you don't make use of the accountability that you have already and therefore cannot indicate why having more would change anything.

And once again you want the fact that you are a loser to be my fault.  

[CdnFox]

Well - more pollsters have had a chance to weigh in.

So - now that trudeau is dead in the water and even his multi billion dollar spend fest didn't move him up (and in fact sank him),  what's he going to do now?

Many of his mp's will be afraid of being out of a job if he calls an election and the party members will be afraid of a kim campbell style rout if they try to force in a new leader. 

There's really only right now,  this fall and next spring to have an election by choice before they're forced to it. They're going to run out of road pretty quick

https://www.338canada.ca/p/338-sunday-update-somehow-the-conservative

338 Sunday Update: Somehow, the Conservative Lead Grew Larger

It may be still too early to draw conclusions with absolute certainty, but so far the outlook appears just as bleak for the Liberals as it did in early April. In fact, it’s possible the numbers became even worse for Team Trudeau.

Edited April 29, 2024 by CdnFox

[WestCanMan]

On 4/21/2024 at 10:30 AM, Zeitgeist said:

Good opinion letter in Calgary Sun:

“Didn’t think it through

My wife and I are not wealthy, we live off CPP and OAS. Hearing the NDP want to tax the rich, I thought, OK, Canada needs the money. Until I read reports including an insightful one from Bloomberg News. Past socialist governments in France initiated a wealth and capital gains tax. It cost the French government almost twice as much as yielded by the wealth taxes. Many charities lost donations, causing some to demand taxpayer support. Many students lost bursaries. Donations were reduced to hospitals, colleges and universities. Over 10,000 wealthy people left France. When these individuals left, France lost their wealth tax revenue, their income taxes, and their local spending. The idea was scrapped in 2020. These tax increases may sound good but be careful what you ask for. They may cost us more in the end. Young people are supposed to be happy with increased national debt. What a legacy the Liberals have left them.

TOM BURNS”

It's kinda sad, but my knee-jerk reaction to that is "Leftists won't like it. It's too heavy on facts and largely devoid of emotional content and accusations", and after thinking about it, I'm pretty sure I nailed it. 

[ironstone]

On 4/24/2024 at 8:56 PM, eyeball said:

Not by you. Meanwhile...

More than 140 countries have signed up to the Global Minimum Tax deal. The tax treaty imposes a minimum rate of 15% on the profits of multinationals. The Global Cooperation Barometer launched at Davos calls for more collaboration.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2024/02/oecd-minimum-tax-rate/#:~:text=More than 140 countries have,Davos calls for more collaboration.

Like the vast number of economists who agree carbon taxes are the way to go, the writing is on the wall for tax avoidance but we do need to get the national governments writing it to act on it.

And the multinationals have agreed to not pass on the tax increases down to us.

Yeah right.

[Zeitgeist]

On 4/25/2024 at 4:08 PM, herbie said:

Guilty of making attempts to address climate change
Guilty of Courting investment in the auto sector
Guilty of Pharmacare, dental care
Guilty of Moving tax burdens to the wealthy
Guilty of legalizing weed
Guilty of rebates on EVs and energy conservations
Guilty of tax credits for volunteer firefighters, seniors home renos
Guilty of Covid income stabilization
Guilty of boosting immigration tostill  build the country and address worker shortages

Yeah they have much guilt. Could've spent no money on any of those and paid down the deficit as if that would solve any of the problems.

 

Guilty of wrecking the economy and the futures of young people. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

And the multinationals have agreed to not pass on the tax increases down to us.

Yeah right.

Agreeing to not compete against one another like that would be against the law.  You'd be okay with that for the sake of the 1%?

Hmmm...colour me surprised.

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, eyeball said:

Agreeing to not compete against one another like that would be against the law.  You'd be okay with that for the sake of the 1%?

Hmmm...colour me surprised.

I'll colour you...

As an enemy of the Canadian people.

Polievre is coming. So are tax cuts, pipelines, drilling, farming, common sense and prosperity.

If I had my way...you and all you climate-religious little sh1ts would be destined for cages or re-programming.

As for all the "refugees" your kind let in...round them all up and deport them immediately!

Edited April 30, 2024 by Nationalist

[paradox34]

On 4/21/2024 at 1:21 PM, CdnFox said:

I understand why you might say that but it's not practical.  It would just wind up being that all countries had the same loopholes for the rich.  And it would mean that if we wanted to change tax policy to attract business or the like we'd have to ask permission from 100 other countries and get them to agree.  And how do you address things like what's a tax break? A country that wanted to charge less actual tax could just allow more write offs.  So what, you'd have every country have exactly the same tax code?

It just doesn't work. You'd just introduce MORE inefficiencies and the rich would STILL dodge it and the poor would still suffer.

Sure.  Like i said - they always find a way.  And if they force it one way or another canada won't have fish farms.

You have to come at it another way.  For example it may be possible to offer a tax break that was sufficient to entice the industry to do it. Etc etc.

People will follow the rules and pay their taxes - right up to the point where it's actually cheaper and easier to find a way around them. Then they find a way.

Ah the joys of citizenship. You get to choose which government picks your pocket!

[CdnFox]

36 minutes ago, paradox34 said:

Ah the joys of citizenship. You get to choose which government picks your pocket!

Not any more apperently - eyeball wants us to get "picked" by an international committee - no choice given