Nationalist Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 1 hour ago, User said: And? So what? You made some vague comments about getting nuclear missiles ready... as if NATO, US, and Russia do not already have many, many missiles ready. This is political posturing over intermediate-range weapons going back years before Russia ever invaded Ukraine because they were violating the terms of the treaty and because China was not part of that and making their own. And Russia is moving tactical nukes around... so what? Whatever Nuclear threat exists already exists. We are back to your bad faith arguments that we should just let Russia do whatever they want around the world... because *GASP* they have nuclear weapons. You were the one being obtuse. You continually decry the death of people in this war... and then the point is made that you certainly don't seem to care much about all the other people dying around the world and your big response was... they don't have nukes. Dude...the INF treaty was rather important and the Americans broke it. Oh boy! A new arms race! I would prefer to not be cavalier about that. I do not believe Russia aims to conquer Europe. Hell if they really want it, they can buy it with oil and gas. As for all the dead and infirmed, it's all a total waste. It'll take Ukraine decades to recover. For what? Crimea was gone before this started and the eastern provinces are gone now. I know that western Ukraine gets about 4 hours of electricity per day now and that any young men of military age are fleeing. This needs to be stopped now, before it spirals out of control. 9 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: When making a rebuttal to a post, it helps to at least to spell the man's name right Zelenskyy not Zelinsky. Pfft... Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 10 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: ...in other words, surrender. Yes...Brandon is good at that and zelinsky will just take his new found wealth and leave. Russia has no designs on ruling all of Ukraine. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 9 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: this would mean Ukraine has lost 0.3% of it's population. Glad you're not the one losing these people. Harder to feel things when its not your blood being spilled. Your numbers look best when looked at as among the population. Kind of like putting creamer and sugar in coffee. Looks a lot worse when you consider only the men of age to serve their military. No creamer. No sugar. Bitter coffee blend. AKA, reality. You know, the bulk of those being killed and maimed. 9 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: "Then they should stop fighting!" Not quite. They should demand their security (IE joining NATO, or any form of safety guarantee), and negotiate regarding the compromises that they are willing to make on their occupied land. Refusing to compromise, means they are willing to roll their dices on their allies not tiring of this war in the long run. Even Zelensky knows this is impossible. This isn't stopping the fight. This is stopping the carnage. I view a peaceful resolution as stopping a war. You see it as cowardice. But again, going based on coffee. The reality here, is that even with weapons, Ukraine is in no position to summon Russia into doing anything. Just because you believe propagandists telling you Ukraine is winning, doesn't mean others cannot accept the reality at hand. 9 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: Sometime I wonder why I even bother to reply to you. Because your argument isn't strong. You want to continue a stalemate war on borrowed weapons and funds (meaning your fight will only be as reliable as your political backing, which is waning or will be by fall), and can't be very specific as to how it benefits Ukraine vs a brokered peace that protects its interests and Russia's. Your justification being only 0.3% of it's population is lost, ignoring the fact that it is mostly men of a specific age group dying. Trying to act like talking to me is beneath you, doesn't make your post any stronger. Maybe thats why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUI_Offender Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 4 hours ago, Nationalist said: Yes...Brandon is good at that and zelinsky will just take his new found wealth and leave. Russia has no designs on ruling all of Ukraine. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUI_Offender Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 (edited) 4 hours ago, Perspektiv said: You want to continue a stalemate war on borrowed weapons and funds (meaning your fight will only be as reliable as your political backing, which is waning or will be by fall), and can't be very specific as to how it benefits Ukraine vs a brokered peace that protects its interests and Russia's. That's strange. I seem to recall the United States supplying weapons and funding to the United Kingdom, and other allies in World War 2, from 1939, two years before they even entered that war. I also seem to recall that the allies were not exactly "winning" that war, and Germany had conquered nearly all of continental Europe. Thank God people like you were completely ignored, or the British would have been forced to make peace with Nazi Germany after the fall of France. You cannot get it through your head that if Russia wins the war, there will be no more Ukraine, and it's almost certain the Russians will commit mass atrocities against the local Ukrainian population. You seem like the type of person that would have tried to get Jews to give up, and accept their fate in the Holocaust, since resisting was futile. Like most of the Russian tankies, you do not have an understanding of the history of Russian persecution/genocide against Ukrainians, and are content with listening to Russian propaganda. First it was "just Crimea" in 2014, then the Russians came for two eastern Ukrainian provinces. Now they tried to take over the entire country. And you honestly think Russia will just stop at the land the currently annex? You really need to pick up a history book there, pal. Edited July 7 by DUI_Offender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 20 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: LOL Ok...prove he does. Note: He's already said he doesn't. I think his actions support that. So go ahead... Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUI_Offender Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Ok...prove he does. Note: He's already said he doesn't. I think his actions support that.. Then you must be reading about a completely different conflict than the Russian-Ukraine war. Russia tried to march into Kyiv and take over the entire country in February 2022, and were unsuccessful. Did you just happen to miss that part of the conflict? Your trust of Putin is quite bizarre. Edited July 7 by DUI_Offender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 12 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: Then you must be reading about a completely different conflict than the Russian-Ukraine war. Russia tried to march into Kyiv and take over the entire country in February 2022, and were unsuccessful. Did you just happen to miss that part of the conflict? Your trust of Putin is quite bizarre. I don't trust anyone completely Dingle-ball. Least of which, you. Your trust of Zelinsky, his media and NATO is what's bizarre. From what I've learned, Putin pulled back from Kiev as a show of good will as they were finalizing that peace deal Johnson killed. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUI_Offender Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: From what I've learned, Putin pulled back from Kiev as a show of good will as they were finalizing that peace deal Johnson killed. *facepalm^ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 7 hours ago, Nationalist said: Dude...the INF treaty was rather important and the Americans broke it. Oh boy! A new arms race! I would prefer to not be cavalier about that. I do not believe Russia aims to conquer Europe. Hell if they really want it, they can buy it with oil and gas. As for all the dead and infirmed, it's all a total waste. It'll take Ukraine decades to recover. For what? Crimea was gone before this started and the eastern provinces are gone now. I know that western Ukraine gets about 4 hours of electricity per day now and that any young men of military age are fleeing. This needs to be stopped now, before it spirals out of control. Lets face reality here. You really are full scale in the tank for Russia. Period. Are you even an American? Canadian? What nationality are you? Are you posting from Russia? Here you are again, pushing their propaganda to support Russia, claiming that the Americans broke the INF treaty. This aside, this was BEFORE Ukraine invasion. No... you don't want to "stop" this, you want Ukraine to surrender, you cheer on Russia, and you clearly want them to win. 25 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: *facepalm^ He will keep repeating this Russian propaganda and lies no matter how many times he is shown this is complete BS. 1 Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 7 hours ago, Nationalist said: Yes...Brandon is good at that and zelinsky will just take his new found wealth and leave. Russia has no designs on ruling all of Ukraine. This is such dishonest wording. Putin tried to conquer Ukraine outright from the start. He failed. He may not have wanted to "rule" Ukraine, however you want to dishonestly frame it... but he certainly wanted to conquer them. 1 Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 (edited) 19 hours ago, Army Guy said: I have yet to see much in the way of evidence that counters what i have provided... Once again you've uselessly dropped a wall of text repeating the same things you've already said a half dozen times, while somehow managing to avoid acknowledging even a single argument I made. 19 hours ago, Army Guy said: advancing is advancing , almost as stupid as saying they are not making any gains...when every media outlet on the planet is telling a much different story Right...🙄 When Russia captures the outhouse on the corner of Yuri's farm at the cost of several hundred soldiers and numerous armored vehicles, it's totally worth it because "advancing is advancing". How are you even taking yourself seriously saying this sort of nonsense? What a freaking joke. Edited July 7 by Moonbox 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUI_Offender Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: When Russia captures the outhouse on the corner of Yuri's farm at the cost of several hundred soldiers and numerous armored vehicles, it's totally worth it because "advancing is advancing". The Yuri's farm comment made me Crack up...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 17 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: Another common gaslighting technique in arguments, is "moving the goalposts," something you have demonstrated here. The author said Ukrainians. Period. Nothing was said about able bodied men, or soldiers. I'm moving the goalposts, this is getting way to funny, it time of the war civilian casualties have not yet reached critical mass , or enough to make a difference, I've been telling you all along that it is this resource that is under threat, it is about the fighting age men and women that are fighting the war, they can't win a war of attrition with Russia... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: entered that war What is strange, is you feeling that without the above, that Ukraine could somehow push Russia back into its own soil. Something Zelensky himself has admitted is incredibly difficult to do (not a full push back, but taking back significant land), considering how well Russia is defending the bulk of its gains. 5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: Thank God I like how you draw comparisons to a completely different conflict, where allies were actual participants, to rationalize your logic for this current one. 5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: You cannot get it through your head that if Russia wins the war Allies are there to prevent that win. They however, just like Zelensky understand that this war will need to be negotiated to an end, which will include immediate protections for Ukraine. 5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: You seem like the type of person that would have tried to get Jews to give up Nope. Am fully behind them defending themselves. Thats precisely what they are doing. I however think that they will not defeat Hamas, or the ideology they are fighting, and sooner or later just like in Ukraine, will require to negotiate an end to this conflict and devise their energies to how they minimize risk for future attacks. 5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: Russian propaganda. If that's what you call common sense, then sure. Ending the conflict, and putting immediate protections in place for Ukraine such as an immediate admission into NATO. 5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: And you honestly think Russia will just stop at the land the currently annex? No, Russia respects consequences. Like any thugs. Same reason why they wouldn't dare attack a NATO protected country, as much as people like you love to fear mongering otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 2 hours ago, Moonbox said: Once again you've uselessly dropped a wall of text repeating the same things you've already said a half dozen times, while somehow managing to avoid acknowledging even a single argument I made. Right...🙄 When Russia captures the outhouse on the corner of Yuri's farm at the cost of several hundred soldiers and numerous armored vehicles, it's totally worth it because "advancing is advancing". How are you even taking yourself seriously saying this sort of nonsense? What a freaking joke. Once again i've backed all my posts with sources....and you have provided very little to make you point... If you are gaining ground then you are advancing , it's not a trick question or statement, that map i provided you illustrated the gains for 2 days, measured in KM....not for the entire war as you suggest, but in the last 2 days on combat.......in the time it took to explain that to you that map has already changed, and Yuri's out house is KM in the rear view mirror...if your going to make claims then be prepared to back them up at least with a source , and not some map at 1/ 500,000 taken from outer space those maps i provided a map with a measuring device built into the program, use it and tell me it's just yuri's back yard... What is a joke is every media outlet on the globe is printing stories of Russian gains...gains everyday...and you dismiss all of them. that's not a me problem thats a you problem... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 34 minutes ago, Army Guy said: What is a joke is every media outlet on the globe is printing stories of Russian gains...gains everyday...and you dismiss all of them. that's not a me problem thats a you problem... He is not dismissing them, he is rightly trying to point out the insignificance of them... making the point that the cost to them in manpower is quite significant. You can look at a map for the past 2 years and see that the front lines have been relatively stagnant with tiny gains on each side back and forth. Yes, Russia has been pushing harder this past month, but even then, its gains have been paltry. This has been the story of the war, yet it comes across from you and others on here that somehow after 3 years of this stalemate this past month is all we should care about and it is spelling the end for Ukraine. The point I have made is that has been the story from some since day one... that *this* moment is the end for Ukraine. It has been the end of Ukraine for going on 3 years now and at this rate of advancement by Russia, will still be going on for years... 1 Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUI_Offender Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: I'm moving the goalposts, this is getting way to funny, it time of the war civilian casualties have not yet reached critical mass , or enough to make a difference, I've been telling you all along that it is this resource that is under threat, it is about the fighting age men and women that are fighting the war, they can't win a war of attrition with Russia... Define critical mass. During World War 2, the Soviets lost 25,000,000 people, or approximately 15% of their total population, yet they never surrendered to Nazi Germany, and were ultimately victorious at the end. In layman's terms the Soviet Union lost 75 times the percentage of people that present day Ukraine has lost. And yet already you are talking about Ukraine reaching "critical mass" where they do not have enough manpower to continue on. There are many similarities between the Soviet Union from 1941-45, and post-2022 Ukraine. Both were attacked because of their enemy's political ideology, and both knew that if they were to surrender, their enemies would commit genocide against them. Ukrainians remember the Holodomor, and want to prevent it from happening again. It amazes me how many people fall for the BS Russian narrative of the war. Edited July 7 by DUI_Offender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 38 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Once again i've backed all my posts with sources.... Your sources and the information they provide are not the problem. It's the conclusions that you draw from them. 38 minutes ago, Army Guy said: and you have provided very little to make you point... That's a pretty goofy thing to say when you're not even acknowledging the points I'm making. 6 hours ago, Army Guy said: that map i provided you illustrated the gains for 2 days, measured in KM No it really didn't. The map you provided was an interactive present-day outline of the battlefront. That's it. It doesn't illustrate "recent gains". They do archive previous days' maps, however, so we can do that comparison for ourselves. I'll tell you what. Why don't you pick a point on that map, anywhere, and I'll go dig up the old ones from June so we can compare them side to side. How does that sound? Let's see how great you're doing backing up your posts with your sources.... Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athos Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 On 5/20/2024 at 3:15 PM, Moonbox said: The entire quote is there. That bolded part makes absolutely no difference, and it's weird that you somehow think it does. If you hadn't feverishly spent the last two years promoting Putin's nonsense propaganda and doing everything you can to undermine Ukraine's struggle to remain free, someone might give you the benefit of the doubt. You said literally said you're hoping for the destruction of Ukraine, and everything you've done and said on the topic since has demonstrated that's what you actually want to see. That you think you're fooling anyone here is a joke, but it speaks loudly of your cowardly character. But your opinion is irrelevant because you are a Ukro-Khazarian bot paid by the Nazis. By the way, where did you show off your Brave character other than behind the keyboard? 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athos Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 (edited) Is there anything accurate about Khazar Zelensy? A fake Russian, a fake Semite, a fake Jew, then a fake Ukrainian, a fake name, a fake soldier, a fake president and now a fake peacemaker. The only thing that comes to my mind is that he is a real Anglo-Khazarian mafia puppet. Edited July 8 by athos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUI_Offender Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 ^ The "ignore" feature would come in handy about now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 20 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: ^ The "ignore" feature would come in handy about now... Good suggestion Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athos Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 Rule number 1: If your "allies" don't dare to fight, but they ask you to fight. Something is wrong. They are not your allies. You should not fight their proxy war. It's not worth dying for US/NATO/globalist interests. Rule number 2: Never forget rule number 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 14 hours ago, Army Guy said: Russian gains In leftist media, Russians can't gain an inch of land, because it's not theirs. Also, in a war with two countries, only the bad one has a death toll associated to it. Ukraine is winning. No specifics as to what entails that winning, but know that they are. Push back further, and you're a Putin lover, a racist and love disco music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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