Zeitgeist Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 8 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Killing babies for no reason is murder. God ordered the killing of babies. Therefore the bible is not against murder. Don’t pretend to know the ways of God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 15 Author Report Share Posted January 15 19 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Killing babies for no reason is murder. God ordered the killing of babies. Therefore the bible is not against murder. You are not reading the Bible properly. You can't select one verse and say the whole Bible teaches what you read in one verse. That is twisting Scripture. I am not exactly sure what you are up to. Do you have some kind of agenda? Are you trying to discredit God or the Bible? If so, that is sad. Most people in the world are dead spiritually. The only way one can have spiritual life is to be born again. We must believe the Bible about Jesus Christ and accept him as our Lord and Savior in order to receive this spiritual life or eternal life. Have you read the gospel of John. That is a good book of the Bible to learn about Jesus Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 18 minutes ago, blackbird said: You can't select one verse and say the whole Bible teaches what you read in one verse. You are ignoring the verses that. Condone murder and then saying the bible is against killing. Clearly it is not. Even if it’s “special circumstances” it still condones the murder of those babies and goats. 19 minutes ago, blackbird said: Are you trying to discredit God or the Bible? LOL All I did was quote scripture. 21 minutes ago, blackbird said: Have you read the gospel of John. That is a good book of the Bible to learn about Jesus Christ. I’ve read them all, unlike most Christians. John was the excuse for many centuries of hate by Christians against the Jews by the way Jews were portrayed in the Book of John. 52 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Don’t pretend to know the ways of God. I won’t if you won’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 (edited) 6 hours ago, TreeBeard said: You are ignoring the verses that. Condone murder and then saying the bible is against killing. Clearly it is not. Even if it’s “special circumstances” it still condones the murder of those babies and goats. LOL All I did was quote scripture. I’ve read them all, unlike most Christians. John was the excuse for many centuries of hate by Christians against the Jews by the way Jews were portrayed in the Book of John. I won’t if you won’t. I don’t pretend to know the ways of God, but I do know some scripture. You’re obviously quite ignorant of scripture. Christ was a Jew among Jews, including friends and family. You should perhaps distinguish between different groups such as the Pharisees or Saducees or Samaritans. The New Testament was yet another liberation story of the Jews from oppressors, in this case the Romans, angry mobs, and certain letter of the law Jews rather than spirit of the law Jews. Paul was a Roman soldier gentile who converted. The Bible has many stories. It’s complex. For everything a season. Read Psalms. I would suggest that the important takeaway is to understand that when you assume the power of life and death over others, you are trying to play God and interfere with nature. There are countless stories about the folly of this, from Frankenstein to Faust to the Tower of Babel. There are some things we shouldn’t meddle with. To put it another way, if you wish to take your own life, that’s your choice. Others shouldn’t be brought into it or it’s no longer suicide, which itself is a sin. Helping to kill somebody is being complicit in killing. Thou shalt not kill. Suicide is wrong because despair is a sin and life is sacred. One must have hope. This is old wisdom. You can think you know better than ancient wisdom. Also understand that even if someone does something that’s objectively wrong, I’m in no position to judge the sinner. No person knows what’s in someone’s heart. You’re not in that person’s shoes. Some people suffer severe depression or pain. There are chemical imbalances. I think suicide is wrong and so does my faith, but I don’t judge people who commit suicide. I certainly think there’s self contradiction in the term medically assisted suicide, because medicine is supposed to be about healing, not killing, according to the Hippocratic Oath. Be careful about making light of the state being involved in killing as a form of medicine. There is much that can be done to alleviate suffering without resorting to killing. I think MAID is an indication of failed healthcare. It undervalues human life. That’s how much of the developed world sees Canadian MAID. British medical ethicists cite Canada’s MAID as a cautionary tale. The numbers of assisted suicides in Canada is in the tens of thousands per year and rising, but that’s Canada today. We throw free hard drugs at a growing epidemic of fentanyl deaths instead of treating people. It’s another cop out that cheapens human life. Edited January 15 by Zeitgeist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 15 Author Report Share Posted January 15 (edited) 4 hours ago, TreeBeard said: John was the excuse for many centuries of hate by Christians against the Jews by the way Jews were portrayed in the Book of John. People will use any excuse to hate. The gospel is about the incarnation of the eternal Word. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1 It is about revealing God in the Son of God, Jesus Christ. The message in the gospel is all those that believe in Him will have eternal life. "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name." John 1:12 Yes, there have been almost 2,000 years of hate against the Jews but I would not blame the gospel of John. It is because of the corrupt, fallen human nature or wicked heart. The unregenerate heart is the reason God sent His Son into the world to save lost sinners. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16 Edited January 15 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 I have to admit to being torn on this issue. On one hand it does appear to be humane. On the other, I do not like paying to have someone end their life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 18 minutes ago, Nationalist said: I have to admit to being torn on this issue. On one hand it does appear to be humane. On the other, I do not like paying to have someone end their life. I think the bigger issue beyond paying is that there could be a tendency to use MAID as an alternative to our absolutely shit health care system. That, and now moving to grant permission for self-euthanasia for people who are depressed make it all too 'convenient' to offer people suicide instead of meaningful care. I read that other countries who are considering implementing MAID are now looking to Canada, and in their debates point to Canada as "how not to do it" for this very reason. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 15 Author Report Share Posted January 15 13 hours ago, TreeBeard said: No it isn’t. 1Samuel 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. Have you studied the history behind this? The history goes back around 3,400 years to the time the Israelite's were delivered from slavery in Egypt and entered the promised land. From then on the Amalekites attacked them. " “The Lord said to Moses, ‘write this in a book as a memorial and recite it to Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven.’ Moses built an altar and named it the Lord is My Banner; and he said, ‘The Lord has sworn; the Lord will have war against Amalek from generation to generation.’” (Exodus 17:14-16) By declaring war on the Israelites, the Amalekites also declared war on the God of Israel. In the eyes of God, a bully had harassed His children one time too many, and as the Amalekites had sworn to “blot out” and destroy Israel, so God the Father would do to them (Psalms 83). Though their doom would not be immediate, the Amalekites were nevertheless destined for destruction (Numbers 24:20; Deuteronomy 25:19). Who Were Some of Amalek’s Best-Known Descendants? Throughout the Old Testament, the Israelites would have continued run-ins with the Amalekites, who would repeatedly harass the southern tribes of Israel before retreating to the desert. unquote Who Is Amalek in the Bible? (christianity.com) This leads me to wonder if today's Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, and other terrorist groups are descendants of the Amalekites from over 3,000 years ago. They had to descend from some tribes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 7 minutes ago, blackbird said: This leads me to wonder if today's Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, and other terrorist groups are descendants of the Amalekites from over 3,000 years ago. Are you in favour of killing their babies and goats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 15 Author Report Share Posted January 15 (edited) 9 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Are you in favour of killing their babies and goats? Are you in favour of allowing terrorists to exist and attack Israel? Edited January 15 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 14 hours ago, blackbird said: There are exceptions such as when police are carrying out their duties and self defence. Could you please quote the relevant scripture, personally I doubt the Bible even contains the word police. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 9 minutes ago, eyeball said: Could you please quote the relevant scripture, personally I doubt the Bible even contains the word police. I seem to remember a bit about a pig that went crazy. (?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 15 Author Report Share Posted January 15 (edited) 22 minutes ago, eyeball said: Could you please quote the relevant scripture, personally I doubt the Bible even contains the word police. quote 1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. unquote Romans 13:1-6 KJV Don't need the word police. Powers that be is the same thing. Edited January 15 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 6 minutes ago, blackbird said: Don't need the word police. Powers that be is the same thing. So much for the unalterable word of God. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, blackbird said: Are you in favour of allowing terrorists to exist and attack Israel? No. Kill the terrorists. Now you answer my question. Kill the babies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, blackbird said: Don't need the word police. Powers that be is the same thing. Where does it say in the Bible that it's okay to use synonyms in place of the word of God? I doubt the word synonym can be found anywhere in the Bible either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 On 1/13/2024 at 6:11 AM, blackbird said: The government is deliberately expanding MAID. I see this as a form of genocide. Could it be that government sees it was a way to save vast amounts of money? This psychiatrist explains what is going on in Canada with medical assistance in dying (MAID). He says MAID is drifting to being out of control and may be already out of control. Over 13,000 people chose MAID in one year in Canada. He says this is far more than any other country which has it. The government is planning to open it up to people with mental illness in a couple of months even though there are many doubts and concerns about doing this. Professionals say it is impossible to say a person with mental illness of some type will become better or be reverse the illness and therefore they say MAID is not a rational option. There are also questions about MAID being offered to people who are having difficulty with in securing housing, food, etc. and as a result they want to opt out by taking MAID. The same situation exists for people with health challenges. The government is not providing proper care for people with mental issues, health challenges, poverty and so many are thinking their only option is MAID. Government deliberating expansion of MAID | Watch (msn.com) I can see many of those pro MAID politicians rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of how much tax dollars that can be saved by knocking off as many people as possible by suicide who have so many mental or physical disabilities that makes them totally unable to do anything for themselves, without some kind of assistance, asap, off the government payroll. That way, there will be more money for the government to throw away on more useless leftist liberal socialist programs and agendas that do nothing good or great for Canada or Canadians. Just my opinion. 😇 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Just now, taxme said: I can see many of those pro MAID politicians rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of how much tax dollars that can be saved by knocking off as many people as possible by suicide who have so many mental or physical disabilities that makes them totally unable to do anything for themselves, without some kind of assistance, asap, off the government payroll. That way, there will be more money for the government to throw away on more useless leftist liberal socialist programs and agendas that do nothing good or great for Canada or Canadians. Just my opinion. 😇 SO maybe here's the solution to literally all the problems. Allow maid - but whatever political party is in power at the time when the person kills themselves must pay 100,000 dollars out of it's own coffiers to the provincial health authority the person lived in as a penalty for not providing federal funds for care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 15 Author Report Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said: No. Kill the terrorists. Now you answer my question. Kill the babies? No. Next silly question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, blackbird said: No. Next silly question. But, if they’re the descendants of the Amalekites, doesn’t God want them dead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 23 minutes ago, CdnFox said: SO maybe here's the solution to literally all the problems. Allow maid - but whatever political party is in power at the time when the person kills themselves must pay 100,000 dollars out of it's own coffiers to the provincial health authority the person lived in as a penalty for not providing federal funds for care Well, if i get your drift here, i guess nobody will be committing suicide anytime soon then? Of course, they can always try and borrow the money from the bank to give to the government, eh? That should work? 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 15 Author Report Share Posted January 15 40 minutes ago, eyeball said: Where does it say in the Bible that it's okay to use synonyms in place of the word of God? I doubt the word synonym can be found anywhere in the Bible either. Synonyms are used in countless places in written material. The words "powers that be" makes sense because authorities are far more the just the police. You appear to be splitting hairs and just trying to be contrary. I don't have time for that nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 15 Author Report Share Posted January 15 4 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: But, if they’re the descendants of the Amalekites, doesn’t God want them dead? Don't know but they seem bent on killing innocent Israeli civilians, children, babies in the kibutz's. Doesn't appear the population in general is interested in living in peace with Israel. It appears they just want to eliminate Israel entirely. Apparently the present war will not eliminate Hamas or other terrorist organizations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 6 minutes ago, blackbird said: Synonyms are used in countless places in written material. The words "powers that be" makes sense because authorities are far more the just the police. You appear to be splitting hairs and just trying to be contrary. I don't have time for that nonsense. In the meantime you don't just appear to be contradicting yourself and your Bible - it's patently obvious that's what you're doing. You hoist yourself on your own petard like this routinely around here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 On 1/13/2024 at 6:11 AM, blackbird said: The government is deliberately expanding MAID. I see this as a form of genocide. Could it be that government sees it was a way to save vast amounts of money? Gov't Of Canada's new ad: Are you unable to pay your rent? Your heating bills? Can't afford gas for your car or groceries? Call MAID at 1-800-get dead. This is the one group of civili servants in this shithole country who will work quickly, with no unnecessary red tape, to get the job done. For our new expedited service, please lay a tarp down just inside your front door. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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