Canada’s Race War: the War on Whites

[Aristides]

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Dude, Muslims commit 95% of the terrorist attacks on planet earth. 

I don't know why Hindus get such a bad rap from everyone. I don't think there's another major religion on earth that elected a minority president/PM. Manmohan Singh was PM twice in India.

Buddhists? Please. They're not even defending what little bit of the earth where their religion is still the majority. They'll be gone soon if they don't get stronger. 

They also elected Modi.

[BeaverFever]

15 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...you're such a Libbie sock puppet. I didn't say Russians founded Canada. I said the helped build it...and the Russian immigrants did. So did my ancestors from Hungary and Ireland. 

So did Chinese and Jamaican and Indian and Afro/American immigrants. The descendants of Russian immigrants have as much claim to Canada as they do and nothing more. The OP suggested that “white males” made Canada so if we’re just counting anyone who immigrated early including Russians then non-whites also count as do women. Get it?

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

So did Chinese and Jamaican and Indian and Afro/American immigrants. The descendants of Russian immigrants have as much claim to Canada as they do and nothing more. The OP suggested that “white males” made Canada so if we’re just counting anyone who immigrated early including Russians then non-whites also count as do women. Get it?

The British and French "made" Canada. Many others "helped" them.

[WestCanMan]

19 hours ago, Aristides said:

It was plenty of ethnic cleansing on both  sides.

 

The whitewashing of history is obvious there.

The majority of those Muslims were voluntarily moving towards an ethnically cleansed country, while the Hindus were forced out of Pakistan in a massive genocide.

Your contention that Hindus randomly started killing thousands of muslims within India, just because Pakistan was created, doesn't even make a bit of sense. 

[WestCanMan]

20 hours ago, Aristides said:

They also elected Modi.

Why is it that leftards consider any non-socialist to be a Nazi?

You really need tp pick your spots if you want to make an effective case against someone at some point. You're like the boy who cried wolf 100 times - your words just ring hollow.  

[impartialobserver]

Wow.. what a troll thread

[Aristides]

On 12/3/2023 at 10:40 AM, WestCanMan said:

The whitewashing of history is obvious there.

The majority of those Muslims were voluntarily moving towards an ethnically cleansed country, while the Hindus were forced out of Pakistan in a massive genocide.

Your contention that Hindus randomly started killing thousands of muslims within India, just because Pakistan was created, doesn't even make a bit of sense. 

It's what happened whether you like it or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Amritsar_train_massacre

So why were they being killed when they were just trying to leave the country?

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

It's what happened whether you like it or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Amritsar_train_massacre

So why were they being killed when they were just trying to leave the country?

That train attack accounted for 3,000 out of 1-2M murders. There was another train attack of 1,000 murders.

Good job, sport, you've accounted for about 0.4% of all the murders. Maybe as low as 0.2%. 

Are you trying to say that you're on the path to get to 50% of the murders? 

Are you still trying to pretend that the cause of a significant amount of the murders was Hindus preventing muslims from leaving? 

Do you understand how patently stupid that is? 

1) Muslims murdered hundreds of thousands of Sikhs and Hindus, possibly a million or more, and forced another 8M people out of their ancestral homeland of several millennia. In any event it was too many to count.

Those 8M people FLED Pakistan.

2) When they arrived in India, no doubt there was somewhat of a push by them to find homes, seeing as they were forced out of theirs, but keep in mind, these are people who were set in motion by violent islamic bigotry/genocide. If they weren't the victims of violent islamic bigotry they were not on pace to kill anyone, right? Do you understand that much?

3) About 8M muslims left India to go to the new muslim country, but it was a mix of people who were doing it by choice, and people who were forced out by those who had just escaped the Pakistani genocide. 

Just out of curiosity, when you say that Jews "left Europe and the ME to go to Israel", do you assume that "They did it to escape genocide", as you do with muslims who left India to go to Pakistan, or do you say "They did it because they were Zionists"?

Common sense says that there was both a push to get Jews out of Europe and the ME, plus a 'Zionist' attraction drawing them in. In fact, I'll just inform you that it is nothing but ignorance and lies to pretend that the Jews had no good reason to want to get the F out of Europe and other parts of the ME. History was not kind to them there. I honestly won't be shocked to find out that you were oblivious to that before now, but if you were, then I suggest you look into it.

Buddy, basically ALL muslims imply or state that the Jews only went to Israel "because they were Zionists". They're lying to hide an inconvenient truth: Jews had always faced bigotry and persecution in Europe and the ME. Always. Not enough so that they were all actively fleeing at that exact moment, but like I said before, all the ones with brains knew that they needed to get out of Iran, Iraq, Poland, Spain, etc because it just seems to be a matter of time before people in almost every country eventually turn on them. 

[Aristides]

I just referenced one incident of many. The point is, muslims were being massacred as they were trying to leave India. 

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A study of the total population inflows and outflows in the districts of Punjab, using the data provided by the 1931 and 1951 Census has led to an estimate of 1.3 million missing Muslims who left western India but did not reach Pakistan.^[119] The corresponding number of missing Hindus/Sikhs along the western border is estimated to be approximately 0.8 million.^[165] This puts the total of missing people, due to partition-related migration along the Punjab border, to around 2.2 million.^[165] Another study of the demographic consequences of partition in the Punjab region using the 1931, 1941 and 1951 censuses concluded that between 2.3 and 3.2 million people went missing in the Punjab.^[166]

Plenty of ethnic cleansing going on both sides.

[BeaverFever]

On 12/3/2023 at 7:48 AM, Nationalist said:

The British and French "made" Canada. Many others "helped" them.

They were helped al lot more by Indigenous, Black and Chinese people than they were by Russians. Russians get no special credit over those other groups for “making” Canada simply by being White. 

Edited December 7, 2023 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

That train attack accounted for 3,000 out of 1-2M murders. There was another train attack of 1,000 murders.

Good job, sport, you've accounted for about 0.4% of all the murders. Maybe as low as 0.2%. 

Are you trying to say that you're on the path to get to 50% of the murders? 

Are you still trying to pretend that the cause of a significant amount of the murders was Hindus preventing muslims from leaving? 

Do you understand how patently stupid that is? 

1) Muslims murdered hundreds of thousands of Sikhs and Hindus, possibly a million or more, and forced another 8M people out of their ancestral homeland of several millennia. In any event it was too many to count.

Those 8M people FLED Pakistan.

2) When they arrived in India, no doubt there was somewhat of a push by them to find homes, seeing as they were forced out of theirs, but keep in mind, these are people who were set in motion by violent islamic bigotry/genocide. If they weren't the victims of violent islamic bigotry they were not on pace to kill anyone, right? Do you understand that much?

3) About 8M muslims left India to go to the new muslim country, but it was a mix of people who were doing it by choice, and people who were forced out by those who had just escaped the Pakistani genocide. 

Just out of curiosity, when you say that Jews "left Europe and the ME to go to Israel", do you assume that "They did it to escape genocide", as you do with muslims who left India to go to Pakistan, or do you say "They did it because they were Zionists"?

Common sense says that there was both a push to get Jews out of Europe and the ME, plus a 'Zionist' attraction drawing them in. In fact, I'll just inform you that it is nothing but ignorance and lies to pretend that the Jews had no good reason to want to get the F out of Europe and other parts of the ME. History was not kind to them there. I honestly won't be shocked to find out that you were oblivious to that before now, but if you were, then I suggest you look into it.

Buddy, basically ALL muslims imply or state that the Jews only went to Israel "because they were Zionists". They're lying to hide an inconvenient truth: Jews had always faced bigotry and persecution in Europe and the ME. Always. Not enough so that they were all actively fleeing at that exact moment, but like I said before, all the ones with brains knew that they needed to get out of Iran, Iraq, Poland, Spain, etc because it just seems to be a matter of time before people in almost every country eventually turn on them. 

Hey professor when did you get our PHD in Indian history?  Oh right you’re just selectively regurgitating some new found info. Your record of ridiculously cherry-picking convenient details while ignoring mountains of others remains intact. 

Let’s just end this discussion with the fact that atrocities were committed by all sides. The Muslims were not the exclusive villains and the others were not the exclusive victims. All sides gave as good as they got and got as good as they gave.
 

 

[BeaverFever]

On 12/2/2023 at 5:37 PM, WestCanMan said:

2, 1, 11, 2, 1, 1. 

18. My bad.

I thought that the cop in Edm died and I thought that Aaron Driver killed one cop as well. 

11?  I’m not seeing that. 

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

They were helped al lot more by Indigenous, Black and Chinese people than they were by Russians. Russians get no special credit over those other groups for “making” Canada simply by being White. 

You may be unaware but in the 20's there was a MASSIVE influx of Ukrainians and russais who were extremely vital to the development of prairie farmland. My own family on one side was part of that. There's even a name for that period but it eludes me at the moment.

But for sure the russian/ukranians who were specifically recruited by the gov't and brought here for agriculture played a very large role in the development of Canada as a country.

[BeaverFever]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You may be unaware but in the 20's there was a MASSIVE influx of Ukrainians and russais who were extremely vital to the development of prairie farmland. My own family on one side was part of that. There's even a name for that period but it eludes me at the moment.

But for sure the russian/ukranians who were specifically recruited by the gov't and brought here for agriculture played a very large role in the development of Canada as a country.

Of course. My own family to Canada as “Germans from Russia” ethnic Germans who lived in what is now the Ukraine for about 100 yrs before coming to the prairies in the late 1800s. . Many non-white immigrants have been in Canada a long time also. Chinese workers built the railroads, Blacks from USA and Caribbean came also, even some Turks, Syrian and Lebanese came early. Russians built Canada to the same degree as these non-white immigrants did. They don’t get special credit for building Canada simply for having the same skin colour as British and French. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Hey professor when did you get our PHD in Indian history?  Oh right you’re just selectively regurgitating some new found info. Your record of ridiculously cherry-picking convenient details while ignoring mountains of others remains intact. 

Let’s just end this discussion with the fact that atrocities were committed by all sides. The Muslims were not the exclusive villains and the others were not the exclusive victims. All sides gave as good as they got and got as good as they gave.

Hey stupid, what's the non-muslim population of Pakistan? 

They ethnically cleansed it and now it's a dedicated shithole country. Even muslims say that Lahore was a much better city in 1945 than it is now. How f'd up is that? How can a city not get any better after 75 years of peace?

FYI Pakistan wasn't descended on by 5 nations: they got the chance to handle their partition with international peace, so they weren't bust defending themselves from external forces. But their transition was an absolute massacre. They burned down city blocks with no warning. They slaughtered and raped.

Despite all that carnage, the muslim outcry against Pakistan from the entire ME combined wasn't loud enough to wake a baby. 

Israel managed their partition with hardly any loss of life. The muslims of the entire ME have been a beehive of hatred and genocidal fury against Israel for 75 years now. 

If you're listening to them because you're scared of them, that at least makes some sense, but if you're listening to them because you think that they have a legitimate point to make, you're a stooge. 

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

11?  I’m not seeing that. 

You're own-ass spelunking again. Shocker. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Of course. My own family to Canada as “Germans from Russia” ethnic Germans who lived in what is now the Ukraine for about 100 yrs before coming to the prairies in the late 1800s. . Many non-white immigrants have been in Canada a long time also. Chinese workers built the railroads, Blacks from USA and Caribbean came also, even some Turks, Syrian and Lebanese came early. Russians built Canada to the same degree as these non-white immigrants did. They don’t get special credit for building Canada simply for having the same skin colour as British and French. 

Sometimes you're just really weird.  You knew about the great migration but pretended that russians and ukraines didn't play a major role? Kinda feels like you were being dishonest on one end of that  or the other.

And no  - not 'all kinds.  British, (and scott, irish), french, chinese, russian/ ukrainian. Those are the peoples that came here in large numbers and made a massive impact on building canada.  Not blacks - there were some and some did great things but no, they did not contribute in a substantial way as a  group like the othes. not  the turks not the syrians etc etc.

The british et al gave us the exploration and massive expansion through the hudson's bay company,, The french gave us exploration and expansion through the voyageurs, the chinese built the railroads and settled much of british columbia, the russian/ukraine people made the breadbasket happen.

Those are the major groups. Take any one of those groups out and canada would not be what it is today.  take the syrians out and we're pretty much the same.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

You may be unaware but in the 20's there was a MASSIVE influx of Ukrainians and russais who were extremely vital to the development of prairie farmland. My own family on one side was part of that. There's even a name for that period but it eludes me at the moment.

But for sure the russian/ukranians who were specifically recruited by the gov't and brought here for agriculture played a very large role in the development of Canada as a country.

I wasn't aware of any large populations of ethnic Russians, but Ukrainian communities are everywhere on the prairies. 

I just did a quick google search and was surprised to find out that about 4% of Manitobans and Saskatcha(folks?lol) are Russian. 

There are only 3x as many Ukrainians but it seems like more than that. Mabe during the cold war a lot of Russians started pretending that they are Ukrainian?

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I wasn't aware of any large populations of ethnic Russians, but Ukrainian communities are everywhere on the prairies. 

of course.  You can't throw a brick without hitting a perogie.

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I just did a quick google search and was surprised to find out that about 4% of Manitobans and Saskatcha(folks?lol) are Russian. 

Da - ve haf yoo surrounded comrade!!!

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There are only 3x as many Ukrainians but it seems like more than that. Mabe during the cold war a lot of Russians started pretending that they are Ukrainian?

Well given the histories there's a bit of confusion. My family was referred to as "russian" because Ukraine was under russian control when they fled.  But they would likely call themselves Ukrainian today.  And a lot of those ukranians actually had german blood - they had come to ukraine during the time of katherine the great which SHE was looking desperately for farmers. 

So it gets a little messed up.   Being a 'Russian Mennonite' basically means your forefathers were kicked out of every respectable country in Europe at one time or another, and most of them were really Ukrainian. 

[Zeitgeist]

12 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Of course. My own family to Canada as “Germans from Russia” ethnic Germans who lived in what is now the Ukraine for about 100 yrs before coming to the prairies in the late 1800s. . Many non-white immigrants have been in Canada a long time also. Chinese workers built the railroads, Blacks from USA and Caribbean came also, even some Turks, Syrian and Lebanese came early. Russians built Canada to the same degree as these non-white immigrants did. They don’t get special credit for building Canada simply for having the same skin colour as British and French. 

There were very few non-white immigrants to Canada until after WW2.  Yes they have made many contributions. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

There were very few non-white immigrants to Canada until after WW2.  Yes they have made many contributions. 

Individually.  And of course moreso in even more modern times.  Like there was the black mayor on vancouver island in the 1800's who was well known for being a strong leader who played a big role in moving the community forward, but i wouldn't say "black people' by and large played a large role in the development of the island communities. I would say that guy did but that's not the same as the Chinese contribution to the province for example.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Individually.  And of course moreso in even more modern times.  Like there was the black mayor on vancouver island in the 1800's who was well known for being a strong leader who played a big role in moving the community forward, but i wouldn't say "black people' by and large played a large role in the development of the island communities. I would say that guy did but that's not the same as the Chinese contribution to the province for example.

It doesn’t matter what actually happened.  Stupid revolutionaries with a shallow knowledge of history are rewriting it. Our universities and institutions are riddled with such idiocy, which is weakening Canada and its meritocracy in ways that may be irreversible as such ideology is legislated and enforced by politicized courts and media.  There are too many apologists looking the other way and claiming there’s nothing to see here. Canada has declined because of it, obviously.

Edited December 7, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[BeaverFever]

14 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Hey stupid, what's the non-muslim population of Pakistan? 

There was ethnic cleansing on both sides, stupid. For example the Muslim population in neighbouring Punjab India is less than 2%. 
 

Look no amount of internet self-ejumacation in your 50’s is going to make up for your lifetime of being a high school dropout Homer Simpson   Stop trying to speak authoritatively on subjects when you never even developed the basic knowledge or comprehension skills to properly understand them. 
 

Oha and also Israel didn’t “manage their partition” Britain and the international community did. You are also ignorant of the Zionists terrorist attacks against the Britiamd Arabs that occurred during the Jewish Insurgency in the years leading up to the creation of Israel. The most famous of these was the King David Hotel bombing which killed a number of British troops.   And BTW the State of Israel’s earliest hero, David Ben-Gurion, the first Israeli PM, was a Polish-born Jew who voluntarily immigrated to Ottoman-controlled Palestine in 1909 for the purpose of advocating zionism and later attended University of Istanbul in Turkey itself which undermines your evil Jew-slaughtering Ottoman theory.

15 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You're own-ass spelunking again. Shocker. 

Show the numbers then 

[BeaverFever]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sometimes you're just really weird.  You knew about the great migration but pretended that russians and ukraines didn't play a major role? Kinda feels like you were being dishonest on one end of that  or the other.

No. You’re lost again. The OP in this thread is a person of apparent Russian descent claiming Canada was founded by whites. If the claim is that Russians helped found Canada simply on the basis of being early immigrants who contributed to the economy then you can”t say Canada was founded by Whites because indigenous peoples and many early immigrants were non-white and also contributed. Get it?

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

No. You’re lost again. The OP in this thread is a person of apparent Russian descent claiming Canada was founded by whites.

No, you're deflecting again. Regardless of what the op is doing, you and I were having a conversation.

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If the claim is that Russians helped found Canada simply on the basis of being early immigrants who contributed to the economy then you can”t say Canada was founded by Whites because indigenous peoples and many early immigrants were non-white and also contributed. Get it?

I get that you're wrong. Canada was founded by white races.  The french and britsh founded canada.  They were white. End of story. So if that's your position you straight up lose.

I understood we were discussing who BUILT canada after it's founding, and if that's what the discussion is then it's the french, brits et al, russians et al and chinese. Those are the four major ethnic groups that did most of the heavy lifting in the building of canada the nation.  Not to say other individuals of other ethnic groups didn't  participate meaningfully but as ethnic groups, that's who it was.

 

[WestCanMan]

51 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

There was ethnic cleansing on both sides, stupid. For example the Muslim population in neighbouring Punjab India is less than 2%. 
 

Look no amount of internet self-ejumacation in your 50’s is going to make up for your lifetime of being a high school dropout Homer Simpson   Stop trying to speak authoritatively on subjects when you never even developed the basic knowledge or comprehension skills to properly understand them. 
 

Oha and also Israel didn’t “manage their partition” Britain and the international community did. You are also ignorant of the Zionists terrorist attacks against the Britiamd Arabs that occurred during the Jewish Insurgency in the years leading up to the creation of Israel. The most famous of these was the King David Hotel bombing which killed a number of British troops.   And BTW the State of Israel’s earliest hero, David Ben-Gurion, the first Israeli PM, was a Polish-born Jew who voluntarily immigrated to Ottoman-controlled Palestine in 1909 for the purpose of advocating zionism and later attended University of Istanbul in Turkey itself which undermines your evil Jew-slaughtering Ottoman theory.

Show the numbers then 

1) Pakistanis ethnically cleansed Pakistan, killing in the neighbourhood of a million people, period. They also forced 8+M people out, period. Muslims don't care about that. 

2) The rioting and violence in India was started by the muslims. Aug 16 1946 in Calcutta was the first major riot/massacre, and the muslims committed that one. Reactionary violence is more understandable than starting violence.

3) The fact that the Hindus and Sikhs engaged in some of the same activities as the Pakistanis did just makes the actions of the Israelis look like even more of a good example.

4) I've been aware of Zionist terrorism since before you dropped out of kindergarten, stupid. FACT: over a thousand years of islamic bigotry, terrorism, ethnic cleansing, etc preceded everything that happened between 1917 and 1947. The Jews had gone over 1,000 years without being allowed to pray at the area where Temple Mount is. The Jews have never done any such thing to the muslims.

5) The Ottoman Empire didn't have secret systemic racism: it was overt. It was all on the books. Jews were 4th-class citizens there. "Live subserviently and we're good. Kumbaya, dogs."