Is the population of Canada growing too fast?

[DUI_Offender]

Canada has gained over 2 million people over the past 24 months. Considering the housing shortage is getting worse and worse, home prices are bound to increase dramatically for the next few years.  This will also place a strain on our social services.  Should we reduce the number of immigrants arriving in our country until we catch up with housing?

Here is the lastest population quarter from Statistics Canada, ending July 1, 2023.  In brackets, represents the increase in population from a year ago:

 

Estimated population of Canadian provinces (July 1, 2023):

Canada 40,097,800 (+1,158,700)

1. Ontario 15,608,400 (+463,400)
2. Quebec 8,874,700 (+202,500)
3. British Columbia 5,519,100 (+162,700)
4. Alberta 4,695,300 (+184,400)
5. Manitoba 1,454,900  (+41,500)
6. Saskatchewan 1,209,100 (+30,700)
7. Nova Scotia 1,058,700 (+33,300)
8. New Brunswick 834,700 (+25,100)
9. Newfoundland 538,600 (+7,000)
10. PEI 174,000 (+6,600)

NWT 45,000 (+300)
Yukon 45,000 (+1,100)
Nunavut 40,700 (+200)

Population, according to Statistics Canada population clock, as of November 23: growth from July 1):

Canada 40,510,900 (+413,100)

Ontario 15,775,500 (+167,100)
Quebec 8,946,700 (+72,000)
BC 5,578,400 (+59,300)
Alberta 4,755,000 (+59,700)
Manitoba 1,470,000 (+15,100)
Saskatchewan 1,221,500 (+12,400)
Nova Scotia 1,070,600 (+11,900)
New Brunswick 844,400 (+9,700)
Newfoundland 541,000 (+2,400)
PEI 176,200 (+2,200)
Yukon 45,300 (+300)
NWT 45,300 (+300)
Nunavut 41,000 (+300)


Provinces ranked by growth (percentage wise) since January 2022:

1. Alberta
2. PEI
3. Nova Scotia
4. New Brunswick
5. Ontario
6. British Columbia
7. Manitoba
8. Saskatchewan
9. Quebec
10. Newfoundland

[August1991]

1. Canada is a large land space. Many people can live here.

2. Like Finland, Sweden and Norway, we Canadians live in the cold.

3. Unlike Europeans, we Canadians are different  We have organised a civilised society where different people can live among us.

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Why did you Swedes and Finns get involved in NATO? 

Edited November 25, 2023 by August1991

[Nefarious Banana]

1 minute ago, August1991 said:

1. Canada is a large land space. Many people can live here.

2. Like Finland, Sweden and Norway, we Canadians live in the cold.

3. Unlike Europeans, we Canadians are different  We have organized a civilized society where different people can live among us. 

Much of Canada is uninhabitable  . . . no way to make a living in the northern quarters.

[August1991]

10 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Much of Canada is uninhabitable  . . . no way to make a living in the northern quarters.

You miss the argument.

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Norway, Sweden, Finland are also cold places 

But we Canadians show others how to live here.

[Nefarious Banana]

1 minute ago, August1991 said:

You miss the argument.

Norway, Sweden, Finland are also cold places 

But we Canadians show others how to live here.

No, you miss the point with your perception that  "Canada is a large land space. Many people can live here."

Put as many folks as you want in the northern quarters of this country . . . and tell me how these folks will make a living?

Don't sidestep the above question with your 'cold' argument.

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

 

Put as many folks as you want in the northern quarters of this country . . . and tell me how these folks will make a living?

 

Um... Cloud Operations, Graphic Designer, Call Center, Project Facilitator, QA Engineer... a few of these come to mind.

20 minutes ago, August1991 said:

You miss the argument.

No kidding...

[Nationalist]

21 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

No, you miss the point with your perception that  "Canada is a large land space. Many people can live here."

Put as many folks as you want in the northern quarters of this country . . . and tell me how these folks will make a living?

Don't sidestep the above question with your 'cold' argument.

Oil, gas and other mining. That's how.

[Nefarious Banana]

Hardner & Nationalist . . . . either one of you been 'north' for an extended period of time?  City dwellers?

[Zeitgeist]

Yes Canada has to stop immigration if need be. The goal now is preserving what we have in Canada, the quality of life and living standards.  

[DUI_Offender]

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

You miss the argument.

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Norway, Sweden, Finland are also cold places 

But we Canadians show others how to live here.

This is not the argument I am making. The problem is that Canada does not have enough housing units to accommodate the new Canadians.  Have you been to downtown in any large Canadian city?  The homeless population is everywhere.  There are probably 10,000 homeless people at any given time in Edmonton alone. 

It is going to get a lot worse in the next few years. Canada could conceivably have Third World style shantytowns. 

 

If we really look at it, how many large cities are there in Northern Canada. Whitehorse, Yellowknife, Thompson, High Level, Ft. Saint John, Churchill, etc all have less than 20,000 people. The 3 territories, that make up 40% of the land area of Canada, have 130,000 people.

 

Edited November 25, 2023 by DUI_Offender

[DUI_Offender]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Oil, gas and other mining. That's how.

lol

Fort McMurray would literally be a ghost town if it were not for the oil sands. The population of the town peaked at about 90,000 in 2014.  In the past decade, the population has fallen by 20,000 people due to the oil price crash.  This is the same with any Northern community. People only live there due to mining and extraction. There are virtually no secondary industries to support the population once mines close, or oil prices drop.

[herbie]

No! No!

Someone must give you a job! You can't just sell hot coffee to those people in the cold, you can only serve them someone else's coffee for a wage! No one there even has a coffee shop to hire you.

Gotta think like my nephew, get a degree in conservation and work summers worrying over the fate of minnows in the drainage ditch. Who wants to live where there still is an environment to conserve and run the whole show?

[CdnFox]

This is pretty simple.  Any time population growth exceeds the new infrastructure growth (homes, medical, education) we have a very very serious problem and it's too much.

Population growth, which is pretty much from immigration, must be constantly tied to our ability to produce new homes, medical facilities and staff, and education.  right now we're in excess of that so yes - too much. Either immigraiton has to come down or the ability to build new infrastructure has to increase.

[August1991]

23 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

This is not the argument I am making. The problem is that Canada does not have enough housing units to accommodate the new Canadians. ....

 

Disagree.

1. More immigrants make current owners of "housing units" richer. As a holder of land in Canada, more immigrants make me richer.

2. We Canadians are civilised. We get along. How do we get other people from around the world to also get along? 

[August1991]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yes Canada has to stop immigration if need be. The goal now is preserving what we have in Canada, the quality of life and living standards.  

Disagree.

Foreigners will come to Canada, and get a passport  - it is impossible to stop them. (eg. poor beautiful foreigners will marry rich ugly Canadians.)

However someone/anyone gets to Canada, crosses the border, I would like to ensure the person is "Canadian". 

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We have to bring all these people into the modern world. Heck, our men/women have done this by nature for centuries.

Edited November 25, 2023 by August1991

[Legato]

18 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Disagree.

1. More immigrants make current owners of "housing units" richer. As a holder of land in Canada, more immigrants make me richer.

2. We Canadians are civilised. We get along. How do we get other people from around the world to also get along? 

Ass backward POV.

Infrastructure is required before importing people. Tell your Unicorn story to the thousands of homeless, I'm sure they'll understand.

[August1991]

45 minutes ago, Legato said:

Ass backward POV.

...

People like Putin and Xi have this wrong, Even Musk has this wrong.

My answer to these guys...

Musk: We are not going to Mars any time soon.

Putin and Xi: We must teach kids, every 70 years or so, what we know. 

 

Edited November 25, 2023 by August1991

[DUI_Offender]

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

Disagree.

1. More immigrants make current owners of "housing units" richer. As a holder of land in Canada, more immigrants make me richer.

That is a rather narrow and entitled view of observing the issue.  What about first time home owners?  What about renters?  In other words, screw the working class, and continue to let in more people so it makes people who own tons of property richer?

 

Would you recommend that 5,000 immigrants move into a hamlet in Saskatchewan with a total of 10 houses? 

 

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

 

2. We Canadians are civilised. We get along. How do we get other people from around the world to also get along? 

When a huge percentage of people cannot afford housing, we will inevitably see a rise in racism against new Canadians.  In fact, a recent survey suggests the demographic that is most opposed to letting in more immigrants, is new Canadians who have come here during the past 10-15 years, as they are the ones who are struggling to find housing. 

Edited November 25, 2023 by DUI_Offender

[August1991]

7 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

That is a rather narrow and entitled view of observing the issue.  What about first time home owners?  What about renters?  In other words, screw the working class, and continue to let in more people so it makes people who own tons of property richer?

 

When a huge percentage of people cannot afford housing, we will inevitably see a rise in racism against new Canadians.  In fact, a recent survey suggests the demographic that is most opposed to letting in more immigrants, is new Canadians who have come here during the past 10-15 years, as they are the ones who are struggling to find housing. 

1. First time buyer? Born here? What gives you the right to buy a house in Canada?

2. "... huge percentage...:"? Strongly disagree. Most Americans/Canadians (outside Quebec) own where they live.

[August1991]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

This is pretty simple.  Any time population growth exceeds the new infrastructure growth (homes, medical, education) we have a very very serious problem and it's too much.

Population growth, which is pretty much from immigration, must be constantly tied to our ability to produce new homes, medical facilities and staff, and education.  right now we're in excess of that so yes - too much. Either immigraiton has to come down or the ability to build new infrastructure has to increase.

But this immigration increases property values - Vancouver and Toronto are proof.

Canada is a successful country.

[DUI_Offender]

11 minutes ago, August1991 said:

1. First time buyer? Born here? What gives you the right to buy a house in Canada?

2. "... huge percentage...:"? Strongly disagree. Most Americans/Canadians (outside Quebec) own where they live.

You seem to have no comprehension of the supply/demand curve. 

Canada can let in 50 million people in the next 10 years. The problem is that we do not have the infrastructure to accommodate that increase in population.  This seems to be lost on you. We need housing, social services, infrastructure, etc. to keep pace with the increase in people. Canada is clearly failing in this regard.

 

[DUI_Offender]

12 minutes ago, August1991 said:

But this immigration increases property values - Vancouver and Toronto are proof.

Canada is a successful country.

That explains why tens of thousands of Canadians (especially young people), are moving away from Vancouver and Toronto, to other parts of Canada (mainly Alberta, and the East Coast), since they are being priced out of the market. In spite what you think, the vast majority of young people cannot afford home prices on average of $1.1 million, or spend $3,000/month on one bedroom suites.

This is why Edmonton and especially Calgary are seeing a huge influx of people from Toronto and Vancouver moving there, considering wages are higher in Alberta, taxes are lower, and housing prices are cheaper. The result is that the average one bedroom apartment in Calgary has gone from $1200/month in 2020, to $1750/month today.  

Pretty soon, this will destroy the economy, as most people will spend nearly 1/2 of their income paying for housing or rent, and not be able to afford to go out and eat, or have any money for entertainment or luxury items. 

Edited November 25, 2023 by DUI_Offender

[August1991]

33 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

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The problem is that we do not have the infrastructure to accommodate that increase in population.  This seems to be lost on you. We need housing, social services, infrastructure, etc. 

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Disagree.

Our problem -possible advantage- is that we have to bring all these kids into the new world.

Every generation, we have to teach them how to write, speak, be civilsed, get along.

Canada has the physical infrastructure. We Canadians? We excel at teaching how to get along 

[BeaverFever]

Guys. The increasingly  imminent mass die-off and retirement of baby boomers is going to rock our world and leave many industries across the country short staffed. You can’t wait until after the fact to start immigrating and hiring people. 
 

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Edited November 25, 2023 by BeaverFever

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

But this immigration increases property values - Vancouver and Toronto are proof.

Canada is a successful country.

Population growth exceeding our capacity to create infrastructure drives inflation,. Not value.  There is an important difference.  The home prices are greatly inflated. Not the value.

Normally this would be a great concern because it would mean there's a bubble - but that inflation price will remain high as long as it's driven by an imbalance in supply and demand. Which it will be for years and years even if we did everything right moving forward. At best you'd see prices ease a bit and then stagnate.  And when i say 'prices' i mean living prices - rent and home ownership because they're intricately connected.

There is nothing successful about what's happening right now.  Canada is failing badly and falling further behind every year.