Judge hands refugee 44th conviction, asks why he has not been deported

[CdnFox]

https://tnc.news/2022/01/10/judge-hands-refugee-44th-conviction-asks-why-he-has-not-been-deported/

A Niagara area judge is questioning why a violent refugee who has received more than 40 convictions since arriving from Syria has not been deported, according to the Niagara Falls Review. 

“He has lived a life in Canada of persistent criminality,” said Judge Joseph De Filippis in the Ontario Court of Justice in St. Catharines on Thursday. “As an aside, and respectfully, I don’t understand why he’s still in Canada.” 

Mohammed Al-Samaneh, a 32-year-old man who came to Canada as a Syrian refugee, has 44 convictions for multiple violent crimes such as assault and forcible confinement. Al-Samaneh had been placed on the National Flagging System, which identifies high-risk, violent criminals. 

 

 

And this is why people are losing faith in both our justice and immigration systems.  When even the judge has to ask why justice isn't being done, there's a problem.

Edited November 14, 2023 by CdnFox

[herbie]

Well there's a pretty big clue which Judge to present a deportation order to.
All that needs to be done is for someone in Immigration to get off their lazy ass and do their f*cking job.

[WestCanMan]

On 11/13/2023 at 9:49 PM, CdnFox said:

Mohammed Al-Samaneh, a 32-year-old man who came to Canada as a Syrian refugee, has 44 convictions for multiple violent crimes such as assault and forcible confinement. Al-Samaneh had been placed on the National Flagging System, which identifies high-risk, violent criminals. 

I wonder how many anti-Semitic "hate crimes" he has committed (graffiti etc counts as a 'hate crime') and how many of them are assumed to be from 'supremacrackas' for the purposes of using bogus stats to create racial division from the PMO...

This reminds me of the guy who immigrated here to commit terrorist attacks but couldn't have his citizenship stripped. Now there's a terrorist running around with a Cdn passport.

[ExFlyer]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I wonder how many anti-Semitic "hate crimes" he has committed (graffiti etc counts as a 'hate crime') and how many of them are assumed to be from 'supremacrackas' for the purposes of using bogus stats to create racial division from the PMO...

This reminds me of the guy who immigrated here to commit terrorist attacks but couldn't have his citizenship stripped. Now there's a terrorist running around with a Cdn passport.

Jump off your horse and read the statement "44 convictions for multiple violent crimes such as assault and forcible confinement."

Lots of people that come here for a few minutes and then go back to live.

Canadian Jewish people they have interviewed is they have lived in Israel for 15 years. Arabs said they have lived in Gaza for 20 years.

We all know how many Hong Kong people that got Canadian citizenship before it returned to Chinese control in 1997 and then never even lived in Canada (but bought lots of property)

We allow dual citizenship so, we should be prepared for the consequences.

[herbie]

He has an arab sounding name so he must be guilty of anti-semitic hate crimes.

and that's not racist thinking at all...

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Jump off your horse and read the statement "44 convictions for multiple violent crimes such as assault and forcible confinement."

Lots of people that come here for a few minutes and then go back to live.

Canadian Jewish people they have interviewed is they have lived in Israel for 15 years. Arabs said they have lived in Gaza for 20 years.

We all know how many Hong Kong people that got Canadian citizenship before it returned to Chinese control in 1997 and then never even lived in Canada (but bought lots of property)

We allow dual citizenship so, we should be prepared for the consequences.

That is a confusing mishmash of statements I don't think this has anything to do with dual citizenship, as such. It has to do with bringing people over and then not holding them to any kind of responsibility or behaviour. We should deport anyone who comes here as soon as they commit a criminal act. But our deportation system is broken, just like our legal system. There are numerous cases of it taking many years to deport someone as they and their government-paid lawyers try one appeal after another, deliberately stretching things out as long as possible. The cost is enormous, but no one seems to care about that. The burden is 100% on the state and 0% on the accused and convicted person. 

And even if everyone agrees he should be booted out I believe our policy is we don't deport people to war zones. We DID deport people to Syria, Somalia, Haiti and other such places under Harper, but I don't believe we do anymore.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

That is a confusing mishmash of statements I don't think this has anything to do with dual citizenship, as such. It has to do with bringing people over and then not holding them to any kind of responsibility or behaviour. We should deport anyone who comes here as soon as they commit a criminal act. But our deportation system is broken, just like our legal system. There are numerous cases of it taking many years to deport someone as they and their government-paid lawyers try one appeal after another, deliberately stretching things out as long as possible. The cost is enormous, but no one seems to care about that. The burden is 100% on the state and 0% on the accused and convicted person. 

And even if everyone agrees he should be booted out I believe our policy is we don't deport people to war zones. We DID deport people to Syria, Somalia, Haiti and other such places under Harper, but I don't believe we do anymore.

What it has to do with is citizenship for convenience.

Come to Canada, get citizenship and move back.20 years later there is a war and the cry to Canada to help them. It happened before with conflict in Lebanon and now with Gaza and eve Israelies expecting Canada to come their aid.

[I am Groot]

22 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

What it has to do with is citizenship for convenience.

No, not really. That certainly exists. Far too many people come here to work having no intention of becoming Canadians. They earn enough to improve their lifestyle back home and then return there, coming back only when they're endangered or need healthcare or education for their kids. And they contribute as little to the taxman as they possibly can, hiding their money overseas.

But this is not that.

22 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Come to Canada, get citizenship and move back.20 years later there is a war and the cry to Canada to help them. It happened before with conflict in Lebanon and now with Gaza and eve Israelies expecting Canada to come their aid.

Yes. We could do something about that by, for example, removing automatic citizenship to children born here to birth tourists. Not to mention giving interviews and personality tests to prospective immigrants.

But not under this government.

[ExFlyer]

48 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

No, not really. That certainly exists. Far too many people come here to work having no intention of becoming Canadians. They earn enough to improve their lifestyle back home and then return there, coming back only when they're endangered or need healthcare or education for their kids. And they contribute as little to the taxman as they possibly can, hiding their money overseas.

But this is not that.

Yes. We could do something about that by, for example, removing automatic citizenship to children born here to birth tourists. Not to mention giving interviews and personality tests to prospective immigrants.

But not under this government.

I( am talking about, as I said before, citizenship for convenience than going back to their home country and live there until trouble starts then get Canada to bail them out...as is happening now.

Nit under any government in the past either.

[WestCanMan]

On 11/15/2023 at 2:06 PM, herbie said:

He has an arab sounding name so he must be guilty of anti-semitic hate crimes.

and that's not racist thinking at all...

As a staunch liberal activist, I'm obviously not "racist" towards anyone. I just have to point out that, if he has 44 convictions for violent crimes, and none of them were against dhimmis, then he is risking the wrath. You know what I'm sayin'? 

[Aristides]

Automatic citizenship without restrictions for non residents born in Canada is an America's thing going back to when all countries in the Americas wanted immigrants. Except for Pakistan and a couple of African countries  no one else allows it. 

It's time we stopped it as well.

We spent a small fortune hauling "Canadians" out of Lebanon during the war in 2006.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Except for Pakistan and a couple of African countries  no one else allows it. 

Pakistan lol. Do they have a wall to keep people out? ?

I bet they won’t let Palestinians immigrate there. 

[PIK]

On 11/15/2023 at 4:14 PM, ExFlyer said:

Jump off your horse and read the statement "44 convictions for multiple violent crimes such as assault and forcible confinement."

Lots of people that come here for a few minutes and then go back to live.

Canadian Jewish people they have interviewed is they have lived in Israel for 15 years. Arabs said they have lived in Gaza for 20 years.

We all know how many Hong Kong people that got Canadian citizenship before it returned to Chinese control in 1997 and then never even lived in Canada (but bought lots of property)

We allow dual citizenship so, we should be prepared for the consequences.

300,000. But remember in Trudeau land a criminal is a victim to.

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

Automatic citizenship without restrictions for non residents born in Canada is an America's thing going back to when all countries in the Americas wanted immigrants. Except for Pakistan and a couple of African countries  no one else allows it. 

It's time we stopped it as well.

We spent a small fortune hauling "Canadians" out of Lebanon during the war in 2006.

It's more like it goes back to a time when people came here by boat. There was no such thing as birth tourism. Anyone coming here was almost certainly not going home anytime soon. That, obviously has changed. We should change, as well. None of our European peers give out citizenship just because someone is born there. They do it according to who the parents are.

 

[herbie]

On 11/15/2023 at 1:04 PM, WestCanMan said:

I wonder how many anti-Semitic "hate crimes" he has committed

Yeah, I know what you're sayin'
and you said it, you didn't just think it.

[myata]

On 11/14/2023 at 5:52 PM, herbie said:

to get off their lazy ass and do their f*cking job.

Why? What would change for them, entire offices and departments, if they do nothing at all?

[ExFlyer]

10 hours ago, PIK said:

300,000. But remember in Trudeau land a criminal is a victim to.

Cannot blame Trudeau for Canada immigration policies from decades ago. Immigration has been problematic since Pearson days.

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, herbie said:

Yeah, I know what you're sayin'
and you said it, you didn't just think it.

It's impossible for him to have been convicted of violent crimes 40+ times without a single one being considered a "hate crime" by our mamby-pamby definition of it. Even a piece of graffiti or an epithet is a hate crime now. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

It's impossible for him to have been convicted of violent crimes 40+ times without a single one being considered a "hate crime" by our mamby-pamby definition of it. Even a piece of graffiti or an epithet is a hate crime now. 

It is if they were all against white people

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

It is if they were all against white people

Yup. Hate crime usually only means "we suspect a cracker did it"...

This was 'not a hate crime'... Native woman yelled "I hate white people!" and punched a random woman in the face. 

This was treated as a 'hate crime'... Just graffiti on a wall.

Quote

The incident is being treated as a suspected hate-motivated offence, according to police

I don't mind if they want to make that a hate crime, because it definitely is, but:

• then it always needs to be a hate crime, even when it happens to a church
• all hate crimes of a more serious nature also need to be treated as hate crimes
• our gov't shouldn't be pretending that all unsolved 'graffiti hate crimes' were committed by white people
• when the gov't cites the number of hate crimes they should break that down into "violent", "harassment", and "grafitti" if they're gonna include graffiti as a hate crime. There's a big difference, just like with "sexual assault". 

Edited November 17, 2023 by WestCanMan

[herbie]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It's impossible for him to have been convicted of violent crimes 40+ times without a single one being considered a "hate crime" by our mamby-pamby definition of it. Even a piece of graffiti or an epithet is a hate crime now.

Just keep proving it to us. No wonder you like Trump, he can't STFU and blurts out stuff for the world to see. And thinks that's "winningt".

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Just keep proving it to us. No wonder you like Trump, he can't STFU and blurts out stuff for the world to see. And thinks that's "winningt".

No no - falling asleep half way through a word like biden is MUCH more an indicator of success  

[PIK]

12 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Cannot blame Trudeau for Canada immigration policies from decades ago. Immigration has been problematic since Pearson days.

Not blaming him for that, just the liberal view that a criminal is a victim too.

[Army Guy]

16 minutes ago, PIK said:

Not blaming him for that, just the liberal view that a criminal is a victim too.

Here is the problem i have with all of this, Justin has 10 years under his belt, he is the man in charge of the entire country....In the military we use to say ignorance is no excuse...meaning just becasue you did not know about a thing under your command does not mean your not responsible for it...And the last point just becasue he did not draft the legislation or policy does not mean he is not responsible for it...once he is sworn in he takes responsibility for everything...he can no longer use the excuse i did not do that... or under the conservative government it was much worse...both are cope outs...cheap  ones at that definitely not the makings of a good leader. 

[BeaverFever]

Interesting story although it’s almost 2 years old now. I wonder what became of him. If you google his name there’s a similar story about him from 2016 over another case.