CdnFox Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 https://www.thestar.com/politics/ndp-delegates-unanimously-support-pharmacare-redline-in-their-deal-with-liberals/article_ed0f12df-7294-57bc-9c64-8cae766a9b75.html HAMILTON - Delegates at the New Democratic convention have made pharmacare the redline in their deal with the Liberals, saying they will withdraw their support if the minority government doesn't adhere to their demands. The confidence-and-supply agreement requires the government to table legislation on a pharmacare framework by the end of the year in exchange for the NDP's support on key votes in the House of Commons. On Saturday, the party unanimously passed a non-binding emergency resolution that says they will cut the deal if pharamacare isn't universal and entirely a public program. Well this should be interesting. The libs won't agree to what the ndp supporters are asking for. They may agree to 'study' it, or impliment it in stages over the next 25 years, or the like. But that's it. SO - how long can jagmeet drag this out until his people turn on him? He doesn't want an election - and certianly nothing happens till after his pension date passes in early 2024. But it will be fun to see if he actually addresses this or tries to half ass it and buy himself more time, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 NDP has the Liberals by the gonads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 Polls show NDP would lose seats if an election was held today. How much is just bluster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted October 16, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 24 minutes ago, Aristides said: Polls show NDP would lose seats if an election was held today. How much is just bluster. I don't think any of it is bluster from the delegates - but the actual mp's will probably know different. But -it's really tough on them, the supporters believe that justin is more afraid of an election than the ndp is so they feel they've got the upper hand, but i don't know if it would pan out that way at all. Jagger's is in a tough spot right now. His people feel he's underperforming and he seems like the liberals House (of commons) Boy more than his own man and they're getting restless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 Canadian Liberals and Socialists...eating each other. Can't say this wasn't inevitable. Jagmeet wants his pension. He knows he's unelectable and despite the virtue signaling that made this loser leader of the NDP...he's toast and he knows it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 18 hours ago, CdnFox said: https://www.thestar.com/politics/ndp-delegates-unanimously-support-pharmacare-redline-in-their-deal-with-liberals/article_ed0f12df-7294-57bc-9c64-8cae766a9b75.html HAMILTON - Delegates at the New Democratic convention have made pharmacare the redline in their deal with the Liberals, saying they will withdraw their support if the minority government doesn't adhere to their demands. The confidence-and-supply agreement requires the government to table legislation on a pharmacare framework by the end of the year in exchange for the NDP's support on key votes in the House of Commons. On Saturday, the party unanimously passed a non-binding emergency resolution that says they will cut the deal if pharamacare isn't universal and entirely a public program. Well this should be interesting. The libs won't agree to what the ndp supporters are asking for. They may agree to 'study' it, or impliment it in stages over the next 25 years, or the like. But that's it. SO - how long can jagmeet drag this out until his people turn on him? He doesn't want an election - and certianly nothing happens till after his pension date passes in early 2024. But it will be fun to see if he actually addresses this or tries to half ass it and buy himself more time, The Libs should be held accountable for promising Pharmacare in their 2019 election platform and then completely ignoring it afterwards. NDP should have made this a condition of their supply and confidence arrangement from the start instead of insisting on Dental Care, which doesn’t have the same significance to Canadians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 25 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: The Libs should be held accountable for promising Pharmacare in their 2019 election platform and then completely ignoring it afterwards. NDP should have made this a condition of their supply and confidence arrangement from the start instead of insisting on Dental Care, which doesn’t have the same significance to Canadians. The Canadian Liberals are toast. The Canadian Socialists are toast. Question: Do you ever consider the COST of all these social programs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) The last thing we need is full government control and rationing of your incelin. How many other "rights" have they threatened to get compliance for vile issues? Edited October 16, 2023 by West Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 Need to know how this will be costed and budgeted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted October 16, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 4 hours ago, BeaverFever said: The Libs should be held accountable for promising Pharmacare in their 2019 election platform and then completely ignoring it afterwards. NDP should have made this a condition of their supply and confidence arrangement from the start instead of insisting on Dental Care, which doesn’t have the same significance to Canadians. The thing is most provinces have some form of pharmacare. It would have been pretty easy for them to tie into that. For example in bc they take a look at your income and then you pay a 'deductible' for your drugs, after which they're all free (if they're covered drugs). So a guy earning 75 grand a year might pay for the first 2000 bucks ish of his drugs for the year but above that nothing. And an old couple on cpp won't pay anything. (the exact figures are off but in the ballpark, my medical is covered through work). So all the feds would have had to do is take the patchwork of existing programs, settle on the best combination of them, throw in a LITTLE funding and do a 'canada drug act' - and this is EXACTLY what happened when we got universal health care. The provinces all had their own 'universal' health care at the time, and they just came up with a master agreement and funding arrangement. Of the two - pharmacare should have been the very easiest to roll out successfully and they completely blew it - but they really can't afford to do it now AND to do it properly would take a couple years of work and negotiation etc. And they are now less than 2 years to the start of the next election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 8 hours ago, BeaverFever said: The Libs should be held accountable for promising Pharmacare in their 2019 election platform and then completely ignoring it afterwards. NDP should have made this a condition of their supply and confidence arrangement from the start instead of insisting on Dental Care, which doesn’t have the same significance to Canadians. The NDP probably bet on there being an opportunity to revisit the promise. I for one hope the NDP hits this one out of the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 5 hours ago, West said: The last thing we need is full government control and rationing of your incelin. How many other "rights" have they threatened to get compliance for vile issues? Must be the stupidest argument against Pharmacare ever made. Rantings of an absolute paranoic. Once again the same people argue against programs that will benefit them because they benefit all and not just them. I'd rather pay $200 for my insulin than have the govt pay $10 out MY tax revenue so Joe across the street can get it too. Same as Americans rattle off as the main objection to public health care. And about the "cost" of such programs because they insist something else must be given up in order to implement it. Well it isn't too f*cking hard to figure out how the Liberals aren't going to collapse over it, is it? Same way as they met they did with dental - a bit at a time, kids first, seniors next and they still haven't got everyone and no one's even holding them to account over that part of the NDP agreement. So remember the guys that are gonna throw away $10 a tank in revenue are gonna keep you paying $500 for a dental cleaning for each family member and don't believe you should pay less for needed drugs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, herbie said: Must be the stupidest argument against Pharmacare ever made. Rantings of an absolute paranoic. Once again the same people argue against programs that will benefit them because they benefit all and not just them. I'd rather pay $200 for my insulin than have the govt pay $10 out MY tax revenue so Joe across the street can get it too. Same as Americans rattle off as the main objection to public health care. And about the "cost" of such programs because they insist something else must be given up in order to implement it. Well it isn't too f*cking hard to figure out how the Liberals aren't going to collapse over it, is it? Same way as they met they did with dental - a bit at a time, kids first, seniors next and they still haven't got everyone and no one's even holding them to account over that part of the NDP agreement. So remember the guys that are gonna throw away $10 a tank in revenue are gonna keep you paying $500 for a dental cleaning for each family member and don't believe you should pay less for needed drugs! Anybody with an economics lesson knows that price controls stiffle r&d as well as create long term shortages. An NDP government would almost assuredly prioritize their woke nonsense in rationing it off such as giving it to the natives because of the perceived wrongs of the past. I also don't support publicly paying for Lupron. You wanna change you'd gender, do it on your own dime like a boob implant or nose job. We need LESS government involvement in health care. Maybe then people will learn to look after themselves instead of getting the guy across the street to pay for a life of poor choices Edited October 16, 2023 by West Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 Oh eve better... double down and say you'd rather pay for your own penicillin, Chron's meds and insulin so some one in a million can't have a sex change. How small of you, how petty an argument. Like the dopes I worked with on the assembly line years ago: I brush my teeth so why should "I" have to pay for company dental plan deductions off my cheque... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 12 minutes ago, herbie said: Oh eve better... double down and say you'd rather pay for your own penicillin, Chron's meds and insulin so some one in a million can't have a sex change. I don't trust crazy radicals with my medication Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) Jag will prop Trudeau up till the last minute. They both know they are going to be out of a job.lol Edited October 16, 2023 by PIK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDog Posted October 17, 2023 Report Share Posted October 17, 2023 Canada is dysfunctional. Safe Alberta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted October 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2023 20 minutes ago, PIK said: Jag will prop Trudeau up till the last minute. They both know they are going to be out of a job.lol That's probably the correct answer. Jaggers is going to have to fuss and fume and make it look like he's holding justin to account but he'll delay and they'll have 'transition talks' and deaslines to come up with a plan to come up with a plan etc'. "THAT"S IT JUSTIN - you have 710 days to come up with a working pharmacare plan OR I"M PULLING THE PLUG!!!!!! (just try me!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 17, 2023 Report Share Posted October 17, 2023 34 minutes ago, West said: I don't trust crazy radicals with my medication You trust them with your booze don't you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted October 17, 2023 Report Share Posted October 17, 2023 Maybe one of those ppl who still buys from a street dealer because they don't know what the govt puts in the drugs they sell legally.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted October 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 hours ago, herbie said: Maybe one of those ppl who still buys from a street dealer because they don't know what the govt puts in the drugs they sell legally.... Given how many od's we're seeing with the 'safe supply' program they might have a point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Cavalier Posted October 17, 2023 Report Share Posted October 17, 2023 This could be the thing that crashes the C&S agreement, triggering an election Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted October 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2023 45 minutes ago, Canadian_Cavalier said: This could be the thing that crashes the C&S agreement, triggering an election Maybe, if they can keep it juggling till after spring. Jagmeet won't trigger an election before spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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