Biden Gains Multinational Support for Israel

[Rebound]

This is unprecedented.  Today, President Joe Biden has achieved, for the first time, unified international support for Israel in a military conflict. 
The leaders of the U.S., UK, France, Italy and Germany issued this joint statement in support of Israel and condemning Hamas:

 

“Today, the leaders of France, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom and the United States of America released the following joint statement following their call:

Today, we - President Macron of France, Chancellor Scholz of Germany, Prime Minister Meloni of Italy, Prime Minister Sunak of the United Kingdom, and President Biden of the United States - express our steadfast and united support to the State of Israel, and our unequivocal condemnation of Hamas and its appalling acts of terrorism.

We make clear that the terrorist actions of Hamas have no justification, no legitimacy, and must be universally condemned. There is never any justification for terrorism. In recent days, the world has watched in horror as Hamas terrorists massacred families in their homes, slaughtered over 200 young people enjoying a music festival, and kidnapped elderly women, children, and entire families, who are now being held as hostages.

Our countries will support Israel in its efforts to defend itself and its people against such atrocities. We further emphasize that this is not a moment for any party hostile to Israel to exploit these attacks to seek advantage.

All of us recognize the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinian people, and support equal measures of justice and freedom for Israelis and Palestinians alike. But make no mistake: Hamas does not represent those aspirations, and it offers nothing for the Palestinian people other than more terror and bloodshed.

Over the coming days, we will remain united and coordinated, together as allies, and as common friends of Israel, to ensure Israel is able to defend itself, and to ultimately set the conditions for a peaceful and integrated Middle East region.”

 

[Michael Hardner]

It's all horrible but Hamas doesn't care.  ?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

This is unprecedented.  Today, President Joe Biden has achieved, for the first time, unified international support for Israel in a military conflict. 
The leaders of the U.S., UK, France, Italy and Germany issued this joint statement in support of Israel and condemning Hamas:

 

“Today, the leaders of France, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom and the United States of America released the following joint statement following their call:

Today, we - President Macron of France, Chancellor Scholz of Germany, Prime Minister Meloni of Italy, Prime Minister Sunak of the United Kingdom, and President Biden of the United States - express our steadfast and united support to the State of Israel, and our unequivocal condemnation of Hamas and its appalling acts of terrorism.

We make clear that the terrorist actions of Hamas have no justification, no legitimacy, and must be universally condemned. There is never any justification for terrorism. In recent days, the world has watched in horror as Hamas terrorists massacred families in their homes, slaughtered over 200 young people enjoying a music festival, and kidnapped elderly women, children, and entire families, who are now being held as hostages.

Our countries will support Israel in its efforts to defend itself and its people against such atrocities. We further emphasize that this is not a moment for any party hostile to Israel to exploit these attacks to seek advantage.

All of us recognize the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinian people, and support equal measures of justice and freedom for Israelis and Palestinians alike. But make no mistake: Hamas does not represent those aspirations, and it offers nothing for the Palestinian people other than more terror and bloodshed.

Over the coming days, we will remain united and coordinated, together as allies, and as common friends of Israel, to ensure Israel is able to defend itself, and to ultimately set the conditions for a peaceful and integrated Middle East region.”

 

Well no - that's not remotely accurate. First nations have gathered to support isreal in military confilcts before - and the same countries mentioned by you.  There's nothing remotely unprecedented about it,

And biden didn't do any of it. The countries that support isreal's right to defense did so before he had time to even contact them. For most it was immediate - and that's because they've always felt that way.

 

[robosmith]

IF there is "no justification for terrorism," doesn't that extend to denying justification for the nations founded in large part by terrorism?

Is terrorism in RESPONSE to terrorism justified? Cause it looks like Netanyahu is ordering a mass attack on Gaza, including the civilians who have nowhere to flee.

[CdnFox]

Just now, robosmith said:

IF there is "no justification for terrorism," doesn't that extend to denying justification for the nations founded in large part by terrorism?

No.  There's no justification for rape, but that doesn't extend to denying the existence of the child the rape may have produced.

 

[robosmith]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well no - that's not remotely accurate. First nations have gathered to support isreal in military confilcts before - and the same countries mentioned by you.  There's nothing remotely unprecedented about it,

And biden didn't do any of it. The countries that support isreal's right to defense did so before he had time to even contact them. For most it was immediate - and that's because they've always felt that way.

 

The words "joint statement" say YOU'RE WRONG. Duh

Unless ^your fantasy includes them arbitrarily adding US to the list of nations. LMAO

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No.  There's no justification for rape, but that doesn't extend to denying the existence of the child the rape may have produced.

 

^False equivalence fallacy.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

The words "joint statement" say YOU'RE WRONG. Duh

the joint statement came out after independant statements from each country already.  So that would be YOU who was wrong, Again. And you're drooling.

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Unless ^your fantasy includes them arbitrarily adding US to the list of nations. LMAO

Well my reality includes them all speaking up about it before the joint statement   Sorry kiddo.

 

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^False equivalence fallacy.

No, you don't seem to understand what that means.  But it's great you've found a new term to use incorrectly, i thought we were never going to get you past 'dunning kruger' there for a while  

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well no - that's not remotely accurate. First nations have gathered to support isreal in military confilcts before - and the same countries mentioned by you.  There's nothing remotely unprecedented about it,

And biden didn't do any of it. The countries that support isreal's right to defense did so before he had time to even contact them. For most it was immediate - and that's because they've always felt that way.

 

Show me. 

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

IF there is "no justification for terrorism," doesn't that extend to denying justification for the nations founded in large part by terrorism?

Is terrorism in RESPONSE to terrorism justified? Cause it looks like Netanyahu is ordering a mass attack on Gaza, including the civilians who have nowhere to flee.

“Including the civilians.” Well, of course “including the civilians.” They’re all civilians. There is no Palestinian or Hamas military. No uniforms. No army based.  It’s 100% civilian. Don’t be fooled by their BS when they cry about their civilians being attacked because they are all civilians. Civilians who attack Israeli civilians, by the way.  

[herbie]

You act like that's a real accomplishment.
Even though every one of those leaders issued similar statements of support for Israel before Biden could pick up the phone. Similarly, if Trump was in office, he would've bragged and tweeted about doing the same thing long before anything could reach the printing presses.

[Rebound]

19 minutes ago, herbie said:

You act like that's a real accomplishment.
Even though every one of those leaders issued similar statements of support for Israel before Biden could pick up the phone. Similarly, if Trump was in office, he would've bragged and tweeted about doing the same thing long before anything could reach the printing presses.

Can you show me any other examples of multinational support for Israel? Just one?

[CdnFox]

51 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Show me. 

I just told you.  If you want to claim that he did the onus is on you to prove that he got them all to think that way. 

Typical case of leftie sealioning.

Biden did nothing. And these countries have supported isreal's right to defense before,  You are the one saying otherwise - prove it

[Rebound]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I just told you.  If you want to claim that he did the onus is on you to prove that he got them all to think that way. 

Typical case of leftie sealioning.

Biden did nothing. And these countries have supported isreal's right to defense before,  You are the one saying otherwise - prove it

I cannot prove that they did not do something, but you can prove that they did do something. You said they did this thing. So prove it. 
 

Explain how imposing a weapons embargo on Israel before the six day war was France’s way of “supporting” Israel.  

Edited October 10, 2023 by Rebound

[herbie]

11 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Can you show me any other examples of multinational support for Israel? Just one?

Sure. The EU and as I said, the nations all one by one already voiced their support. So he manged to get a mere handful to jointly state it again, whoopee!
Did any also call out the m9rons who are rallying to support the Palestinians at this most inappropriate time?

Sorry to question your sense of national importance.

Edited October 10, 2023 by herbie

[Rebound]

1 minute ago, herbie said:

Sure. The EU and as I said, the nations all one by one already voiced their support. So he manged to get a mere handful to jointly state it again, whoopee.

Sorry to question your sense of national importance. Did any also call out the m9rons who are rallying to support the Palestinians at this most inappropriate time?

That’s just you saying something.  It’s like me saying that flames are shooting out of your butthole, and my proof is that I say so. 

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Can you show me any other examples of multinational support for Israel? Just one?

the 2014 conflict. 

Most parties urged 'restriaint' but canada, the us supported isreal outright, and a number of EU countries supported their right to self defense while pointing out there were faults on both sides and a solution needed to happen.

 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

“Including the civilians.” Well, of course “including the civilians.” They’re all civilians. There is no Palestinian or Hamas military. No uniforms. No army based.  It’s 100% civilian. Don’t be fooled by their BS when they cry about their civilians being attacked because they are all civilians. Civilians who attack Israeli civilians, by the way.  

There are active participants and LEADERS of Hamas, but 95% of the population is neither of those.

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, Rebound said:

This is unprecedented.  

This is actually: a slam dunk opportunity for Biden to take an obvious path that billions of people already agree on. 

This is like if the small unpopular guy at school pushed a pretty girl, and then the biggest guy there said: "Don't do that again or I'll punch you in the face."

It's not like there was any doubt what needed to be said/done. The fish jumped in the boat and all that Biden had to do was whack it with an oar (Grandpa Simpson quote). 

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This is unprecedented.  Today, President Joe Biden has achieved, for the first time, unified international support for Israel in a military conflict. 

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France and Britain attacked Egypt with the Israelis back in 1956, so there's that. 

Honest to God, where did you get that talking point from? Is that what they're saying on CNN?

The talking point that I hear the most is "This is the biggest slaughter of Jews since...."

You guessed it. They're playing the H card.

Just gotta get it into the convo at every opportunity, like a vegan or a Harvard grad. 

Dude: "Looks like rain. I guess we're stuck here."

Other dude: "When it rained at Harvard the guys would always BBQ T-bones, but I've been a vegan for 12 years now so I didn't eat any of the meat. Sometimes I feel persecuted for being a vegan, like my grandparents did in Germany in 1935."

Original dude: "I'm just gonna walk around outside now, with no umbrella." 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

You act like that's a real accomplishment.
Even though every one of those leaders issued similar statements of support for Israel before Biden could pick up the phone. Similarly, if Trump was in office, he would've bragged and tweeted about doing the same thing long before anything could reach the printing presses.

How do you know when Biden picked up the phone? Could have been a conference call that took place immediately.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Biden did nothing. 

How do you KNOW what Biden did? You DO NOT.

[robosmith]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Just gotta get it into the convo at every opportunity, like a vegan or a Harvard grad. 

You're describing YOURSELF ^HERE.

[WestCanMan]

34 minutes ago, robosmith said:

There are active participants and LEADERS of Hamas, but 95% of the population is neither of those.

Economists take stats as seriously as cancer, and one of their core concepts in understanding customer satisfaction is that only about 4% of people who are angry about something will take the time to write into a company to complain about it. That means that for every person who's willing to get off their arse, there are 24 more people who feel the same way but won't actually do anything about it. 

Just think of the percentage of people who would get off their arse to beat an old lady to death and post it to her own FB account... Or who would burn people alive in a cage. Or behead journalists and put the videos on social media. Is it 1 in 24? 1 in 1,000? One in 10,000? 

It takes a massive sea of vile haters to produce thousands of people willing to do get off their arse to do that kind of thing for Hamas. What kind of culture produces thousands of people who are ok with that?

Sadly enough, these are the kinds of things that islamic state put into their promotional videos, and they attracted enough jihadis to fight against Iraq, Syria, the US, Turkey, Russia, etc.... 

How many Canadians or Americans do you know who'd bash an old ladies brains in and put it on FB? Who would think: "This is how I'm gonna motivate my fellow Canadians to participate in this war"?

The leaders of entire countries are standing with Hamas and all their inhumanity. 

Don't act like 95% of Palestinians aren't ok wth this. Can you show me where some Arab states expressed outrage at Hamas's atrocities?

Do you refer to these things as atrocities? Is it an atrocity when children are murdered? 

I'd like to see if you can find it in your soul to say "Hamas committed atrocities" without putting a qualifier at the end, like "but those Zionists deserved it."

Edited October 10, 2023 by WestCanMan

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

I cannot prove that they did not do something,

ummm.... you're claiming he DID do something.

You forgot didn't you.  You got confused what you were talking about again.

LOL - yeash kid.  would have been very easy to prove one way or another in this case. pathetic,

[ironstone]

4 hours ago, Rebound said:

“Including the civilians.” Well, of course “including the civilians.” They’re all civilians. There is no Palestinian or Hamas military. No uniforms. No army based.  It’s 100% civilian. Don’t be fooled by their BS when they cry about their civilians being attacked because they are all civilians. Civilians who attack Israeli civilians, by the way.  

Civilians...not terrorists? 

You have GOT to be kidding!!

Sad thing is, you aren't.

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

 

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Just gotta get it into the convo at every opportunity, like a vegan or a Harvard grad. 

Dude: "Looks like rain. I guess we're stuck here."

Other dude: "When it rained at Harvard the guys would always BBQ T-bones, but I've been a vegan for 12 years now so I didn't eat any of the meat. Sometimes I feel persecuted for being a vegan, like my grandparents did in Germany in 1935."

Original dude: "I'm just gonna walk around outside now, with no umbrella." 

Like you and COVID vaccines.

Edited October 11, 2023 by Hodad