Biden Gains Multinational Support for Israel

[WestCanMan]

10 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Like you and COVID vaccines.

That actually made sense. I'm gonna give you a point there, if you just acknowledge that covid deaths were up by 30% from 2021 and MSM coverage was down by 90% ?

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

That actually made sense. I'm gonna give you a point there, if you just acknowledge that covid deaths were up by 30% from 2021 and MSM coverage was down by 90% ?

Is that what you're hung up on?

Where is your media created, and what did the deaths look like in THAT country 2022 vs 2021?

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Economists take stats as seriously as cancer, and one of their core concepts in understanding customer satisfaction is that only about 4% of people who are angry about something will take the time to write into a company to complain about it. That means that for every person who's willing to get off their arse, there are 24 more people who feel the same way but won't actually do anything about it. 

Just think of the percentage of people who would get off their arse to beat an old lady to death and post it to her own FB account... Or who would burn people alive in a cage. Or behead journalists and put the videos on social media. Is it 1 in 24? 1 in 1,000? One in 10,000? 

It takes a massive sea of vile haters to produce thousands of people willing to do get off their arse to do that kind of thing for Hamas. What kind of culture produces thousands of people who are ok with that?

Sadly enough, these are the kinds of things that islamic state put into their promotional videos, and they attracted enough jihadis to fight against Iraq, Syria, the US, Turkey, Russia, etc.... 

How many Canadians or Americans do you know who'd bash an old ladies brains in and put it on FB? Who would think: "This is how I'm gonna motivate my fellow Canadians to participate in this war"?

The leaders of entire countries are standing with Hamas and all their inhumanity. 

Don't act like 95% of Palestinians aren't ok wth this. Can you show me where some Arab states expressed outrage at Hamas's atrocities?

Do you refer to these things as atrocities? Is it an atrocity when children are murdered? 

I'd like to see if you can find it in your soul to say "Hamas committed atrocities" without putting a qualifier at the end, like "but those Zionists deserved it."

I'd like to see ANY Jews acknowledge the atrocities committed against Palestinians to found their nation and ensure a Jewish majority.

How about it WCM? Are you even aware of what was done to Palestinians in 1948 and ever since?

[Rebound]

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

I'd like to see ANY Jews acknowledge the atrocities committed against Palestinians to found their nation and ensure a Jewish majority.

How about it WCM? Are you even aware of what was done to Palestinians in 1948 and ever since?

Atrocities were committed by both sides during the Israeli War of Independence, which was a war started by Arab nations.  
 

Until 1976, every nation on Israel’s borders was committed to the complete destruction of Israel. It was a very difficult position to be in. And in the beginning, European countries and the U.S. refused to supply weapons. They had to be smuggled. 
 

With the Camp David Peace Accords, Carter negotiated a deal in which Israel returned all land seized from Egypt in exchange for peace. That included oil fields which produced $1 billion in oil annually, back when $1 billion was a lot of money.  With this, Israel proved that they were willing to trade land for peace.  
 

Unfortunately, Palestinian leaders held onto power by becoming increasingly radicalized. They tried to overthrow the governments of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt. The Palestinian Territories border Egypt (Gaza) and Jordan (the West Bank), yet those borders are also closed. Why is that? If the Palestinians are the meek, oppressed hippie love children, why do their Arab brothers keep their borders sealed off?  It’s because those two countries know the Palestinians will bring war to them.  But you never, ever, ever hear Al Jazeera or the “liberal” pro-Palestinians complain about Egypt and Jordan maintaining a “state of siege.”  Only the Jews get blamed.  

Edited October 11, 2023 by Rebound

[Nationalist]

@CdnFox, @herbie - Boys... @Rebound has so little opportunities to celebrate Biden. And yes, of course this great multinational support document is a re-hash of the same things these nations have said already. But...in an extreme effort to show some modicum of "compassion" for the poor lad...well...you know...

@WestCanMan - Dude...its commonly known that @robosmith will post anything in order to forward the destructive crapolla of the Libbie Death-Cult. I have found that trying to reason with him is useless. I treat his posts as "comic relief" and tell him regularly what an ass he his. Spending your valuable time trying to reason with this...human...is a complete waste of time and effort.

The Libbie Death-Cult is actively destroying all notions of freedom and democracy. England and the EU now have internet censorship laws. Canada will be next. Arguing with these cult members is useless...we've all seen that. They simply reply with dumb-assery like..."You like Trump!". This abject bullshit must end before its too late and democracy goes by the wayside. In the coming year, both the USA and Canada will have federal elections. We...the rational adults in the room...MUST FLOOD the elections with ballots. Use their own weapons and cast mail-ins. Harvest ballots if possible. Whatever it takes. This chickenshit MUST end before its too late.

[Deluge]

20 hours ago, Rebound said:

This is unprecedented.  Today, President Joe Biden has achieved, for the first time, unified international support for Israel in a military conflict. 
The leaders of the U.S., UK, France, Italy and Germany issued this joint statement in support of Israel and condemning Hamas:

 

“Today, the leaders of France, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom and the United States of America released the following joint statement following their call:

Today, we - President Macron of France, Chancellor Scholz of Germany, Prime Minister Meloni of Italy, Prime Minister Sunak of the United Kingdom, and President Biden of the United States - express our steadfast and united support to the State of Israel, and our unequivocal condemnation of Hamas and its appalling acts of terrorism.

We make clear that the terrorist actions of Hamas have no justification, no legitimacy, and must be universally condemned. There is never any justification for terrorism. In recent days, the world has watched in horror as Hamas terrorists massacred families in their homes, slaughtered over 200 young people enjoying a music festival, and kidnapped elderly women, children, and entire families, who are now being held as hostages.

Our countries will support Israel in its efforts to defend itself and its people against such atrocities. We further emphasize that this is not a moment for any party hostile to Israel to exploit these attacks to seek advantage.

All of us recognize the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinian people, and support equal measures of justice and freedom for Israelis and Palestinians alike. But make no mistake: Hamas does not represent those aspirations, and it offers nothing for the Palestinian people other than more terror and bloodshed.

Over the coming days, we will remain united and coordinated, together as allies, and as common friends of Israel, to ensure Israel is able to defend itself, and to ultimately set the conditions for a peaceful and integrated Middle East region.”

Good for Pedo Joe. 

Of course, off camera the hair sniffer is right there with Hussein Obama and his boyfriend/pseudo wife, Michael, with their eternal hatred toward the Jews.  

[Deluge]

19 hours ago, robosmith said:

IF there is "no justification for terrorism," doesn't that extend to denying justification for the nations founded in large part by terrorism?

Is terrorism in RESPONSE to terrorism justified? Cause it looks like Netanyahu is ordering a mass attack on Gaza, including the civilians who have nowhere to flee.

I don't see the terrorism on Israel's part. They want to exist as a people, Hamas won't put up with that, and now It's time for Hamas to be wiped out for its acts of barbarism. 

Edited October 11, 2023 by Deluge

[Nationalist]

13 minutes ago, Deluge said:

I don't see the terrorism on Israel's part. They want to exist as a people, Hamas won't put up with that, and now It's time for Hamas to be wiped out for its acts of barbarism. 

There was what we could call "terrorism"...by today's fluffy definition...decades ago. This whole mess started a long tome ago when in WWI, the Brits promised all sides everything in order to try to dismantle the Ottoman Empire. The methods used to take homes and land away from the resident Palestinians was...nasty to say the least.

History records all the details, but to repeat some of them has been determined "hate speech".

But TODAY...what Hamas has done must be responded to in kind in order to let these people know, in no uncertain terms, that the land is now ISRAEL and the people who support Hamas are criminals and will be dealt with in very final terms.

[WestCanMan]

I wonder if Israel is just going to take over the Gaza Strip for good. 

It's a thorn in their side, and allows them to start off every campaign surrounded. 

Honestly, they have just proven that they are nothing more than enemies, there to attack Israel, and if that's the case, why allow them back? 

"Hey guys, I realize that your last attempt to kill us all was unsuccessful, but you've been doing this for 70 years... why stop now? Try again in another decade. Hopefully we can defend ourselves again, otherwise we will all be slaughtered."

[Nationalist]

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I wonder if Israel is just going to take over the Gaza Strip for good. 

It's a thorn in their side, and allows them to start off every campaign surrounded. 

Honestly, they have just proven that they are nothing more than enemies, there to attack Israel, and if that's the case, why allow them back? 

"Hey guys, I realize that your last attempt to kill us all was unsuccessful, but you've been doing this for 70 years... why stop now? Try again in another decade. Hopefully we can defend ourselves again, otherwise we will all be slaughtered."

Exactly.

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, robosmith said:

I'd like to see ANY Jews acknowledge the atrocities committed against Palestinians to found their nation and ensure a Jewish majority.

Nobody cares what you'd like.  Your beliefs don't matter.
 

And nothing excuses gunning down innocent women and children specifically for the sake of killing women and children like they did. They weren't "collateral damage" or the like.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

@CdnFox, @herbie - Boys... @Rebound has so little opportunities to celebrate Biden. And yes, of course this great multinational support document is a re-hash of the same things these nations have said already. But...in an extreme effort to show some modicum of "compassion" for the poor lad...well...you know...

@WestCanMan - Dude...its commonly known that @robosmith will post anything in order to forward the destructive crapolla of the Libbie Death-Cult. I have found that trying to reason with him is useless. I treat his posts as "comic relief" and tell him regularly what an ass he his. Spending your valuable time trying to reason with this...human...is a complete waste of time and effort.

Yes it is a waste of YOUR time when all you have is intellectual bankruptcy and thus completely outclassed. 

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

The Libbie Death-Cult is actively destroying all notions of freedom and democracy.

The destruction of democracy is ONLY being attempted by right wingers HERE named Trump and his MAGA CULT.

And all the Republicans committed to the re-implementation of voter suppression.

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

England and the EU now have internet censorship laws. Canada will be next.

Preventing the spread of disinformation is not censorship; it is common sense that people not be influenced by LIES.

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Arguing with these cult members is useless...we've all seen that. They simply reply with dumb-assery like..."You like Trump!".

YOU must like him a LOT to continually defend all his FRAUDS.

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

This abject bullshit must end before its too late and democracy goes by the wayside.

Yes, Trump's "stop the steal" is "abject BULLSHIT" and his raising money on THOSE LIES is being investigated for WIRE FRAUD. I know this news will not penetrate your cognitive dissonance, but maybe someday you'll come to your senses. 

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

In the coming year, both the USA and Canada will have federal elections. We...the rational adults in the room...MUST FLOOD the elections with ballots. Use their own weapons and cast mail-ins. Harvest ballots if possible. Whatever it takes. This chickenshit MUST end before its too late.

What it will take is voter suppression on a grand scale. You're singing the Republican tune because you can't win fairly.

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Rebound said:

Atrocities were committed by both sides during the Israeli War of Independence, which was a war started by Arab nations.  

I would say that declaring a nation without a vote of ALL the occupants and driving out those who were opposed, was the act which started the war.

I have a hard time believing all the myths which were propagated by the "winners" to whitewash the war. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Yes it is a waste of YOUR time when all you have is intellectual bankruptcy and thus completely outclassed. 

The destruction of democracy is ONLY being attempted by right wingers HERE named Trump and his MAGA CULT.

And all the Republicans committed to the re-implementation of voter suppression.

Preventing the spread of disinformation is not censorship; it is common sense that people not be influenced by LIES.

YOU must like him a LOT to continually defend all his FRAUDS.

Yes, Trump's "stop the steal" is "abject BULLSHIT" and his raising money on THOSE LIES is being investigated for WIRE FRAUD. I know this news will not penetrate your cognitive dissonance, but maybe someday you'll come to your senses. 

What it will take is voter suppression on a grand scale. You're singing the Republican tune because you can't win fairly.

See what I mean people? The guy is either incapable of rational thought, or a shill of the purest form.

Either way, his "purpose" results in death and destruction. For instance...the Republicans enacted a law that forces voters to provide proper ID. This, to this poor sod, is "voter suppression". Its asinine.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Yes it is a waste of YOUR time when all you have is intellectual bankruptcy and thus completely outclassed. 

Dam - looks like nationalist broke you again kid, you're ranting and rambling again  

[Hodad]

44 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

See what I mean people? The guy is either incapable of rational thought, or a shill of the purest form.

Either way, his "purpose" results in death and destruction. For instance...the Republicans enacted a law that forces voters to provide proper ID. This, to this poor sod, is "voter suppression". Its asinine.

There is virtually zero voter impersonation fraud. It's a non issue, so passing such a law does not help anything or anyone at all. It does no good. 

On the other hand, some non-zero number of people will show up to the polls not having heard of this law. Some will not have an ID. Some will simply have forgotten their ID in their other pants (or whatever) and will be turned away. And some number of them won't be able to return for a second try--particularly as Republicans work to ensure that people in some districts will have to wait in line for hours before being turned away.

So why would Republicans want to pass a law that does more harm than good? That solves a non-existent problem? It's really simple. They think that all of these various hurdles and challenges to voting will affect Democrats more than they will affect Republicans. And they're almost certainly right.

You see, they don't particularly care about the will of the voters. That couldn't be more clear with the support for the Trump coup. They know they are outnumbered, but instead of changing their policy, they seek to disenfranchise Americans. 

[Nationalist]

49 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Dam - looks like nationalist broke you again kid, you're ranting and rambling again  

OOPS...

 

[Nationalist]

12 minutes ago, Hodad said:

There is virtually zero voter impersonation fraud. It's a non issue, so passing such a law does not help anything or anyone at all. It does no good. 

On the other hand, some non-zero number of people will show up to the polls not having heard of this law. Some will not have an ID. Some will simply have forgotten their ID in their other pants (or whatever) and will be turned away. And some number of them won't be able to return for a second try--particularly as Republicans work to ensure that people in some districts will have to wait in line for hours before being turned away.

So why would Republicans want to pass a law that does more harm than good? That solves a non-existent problem? It's really simple. They think that all of these various hurdles and challenges to voting will affect Democrats more than they will affect Republicans. And they're almost certainly right.

You see, they don't particularly care about the will of the voters. That couldn't be more clear with the support for the Trump coup. They know they are outnumbered, but instead of changing their policy, they seek to disenfranchise Americans. 

Are you just stupid? Or really f'ing stupid?

Only American Citizens are eligible to cast votes. In order to guarantee that, ID is necessary. Simple as that. If the average Democrat is so stupid that they can't remember to bring valid ID when voting for a POTUS, they deserve what they get...bubkus. Maybe it would be a good idea to actually teach valuable things to kids these days, so they are capable of remembering their ID, instead of being capable of holding misspelled signs about Orangemanbad?

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Are you just stupid? Or really f'ing stupid?

Only American Citizens are eligible to cast votes. In order to guarantee that, ID is necessary. Simple as that. If the average Democrat is so stupid that they can't remember to bring valid ID when voting for a POTUS, they deserve what they get...bubkus. Maybe it would be a good idea to actually teach valuable things to kids these days, so they are capable of remembering their ID, instead of being capable of holding misspelled signs about Orangemanbad?

As a foreigner, it's pretty clear you have no idea what you are talking about. In the US, we do NOT have a system where just anyone can show up to any polling place and cast a standard ballot without ID.?

We provide evidence of eligibility when we register to vote (which is not time constrained) so that when we show up at our designated polling places all we need to do is check in. 

Again, there is virtually zero voter impersonation fraud. Study after study after study confirms this. So if Republicans are not solving a problem (and all data shows that they are not) then why are they erecting any hurdle to voting? Harm without help is just selfishness and spite.

 

Edited October 11, 2023 by Hodad

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Hodad said:

As a foreigner, it's pretty clear you have no idea what you are talking about. In the US, we do NOT have a system where just anyone can show up to a polling place and vote without ID.?

We provide evidence of eligibility when we register to vote (which is not time constrained) so that when we show up at our designated polling places all we need to do is check in. 

Again, there is virtually zero voter impersonation fraud. Study after study after study confirms this. So if Republicans are not solving a problem (and all data shows that they are not) then why are they erecting any hurdle to voting?

 

And when you shown up to vote...how do you prove you are who you say you are?

[Hodad]

18 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

And when you shown up to vote...how do you prove you are who you say you are?

It depends on the state. Many states do require IDs at this point. However, the basics are that:

A. We show up to the assigned polling places and give the right name

B. We sign in/check in and the poll workers perform a signature match against the registration signature

Could one or a few people with special knowledge pull off voter impersonation? Sure. But the idea of doing it at scale is laughable. Hardly anyone is dumb/desperate/devoted enough to commit a felony to get politician X one more vote and the risk of being caught is high--they have no idea if the other person  who they would impersonate has already voted by mail or in person. And trying to get enough dumb/desperate/devoted people to tilt an election is functionally impossible--and for them all to keep it secret, doubly so. 

Virtually ANY other tactic would be lower effort, lower risk, lower cost and higher reward. 

This fictitious boogeyman is just a silly prop for Republicans to drum up support for making it harder to vote.

[Nationalist]

35 minutes ago, Hodad said:

It depends on the state. Many states do require IDs at this point. However, the basics are that:

A. We show up to the assigned polling places and give the right name

B. We sign in/check in and the poll workers perform a signature match against the registration signature

Could one or a few people with special knowledge pull off voter impersonation? Sure. But the idea of doing it at scale is laughable. Hardly anyone is dumb/desperate/devoted enough to commit a felony to get politician X one more vote and the risk of being caught is high--they have no idea if the other person  who they would impersonate has already voted by mail or in person. And trying to get enough dumb/desperate/devoted people to tilt an election is functionally impossible--and for them all to keep it secret, doubly so. 

Virtually ANY other tactic would be lower effort, lower risk, lower cost and higher reward. 

This fictitious boogeyman is just a silly prop for Republicans to drum up support for making it harder to vote.

You admit the risk is real, then fluff it off as irrelevant. This is your presidential  election we're talking about.

This is why you libbies can't be trusted...or one of the reasons. There was a whole documentary about this and you just fluff it off.

Showing ID is a reasonable and important part of the process. Just like controlling your border, not spending too much and not surrendering to people you're not even losing to.

You can't be trusted.

Edited October 11, 2023 by Nationalist

[Rebound]

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

I would say that declaring a nation without a vote of ALL the occupants and driving out those who were opposed, was the act which started the war.

I have a hard time believing all the myths which were propagated by the "winners" to whitewash the war. 

The war you’re referring to occurred in 1948. As I recall, the Palestinians lost that war. 

[Hodad]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

You admit the risk is real, then fluff it off as irrelevant. This is your presidential  election we're talking about.

This is why you libbies can't be trusted...or one of the reasons. There was a whole documentary about this and you just fluff it off.

Showing ID is a reasonable and important part of the process. Just like controlling your border, not spending too much and not surrendering to people you're not even losing to.

You can't be trusted.

Jeebus, what about that post makes you think voter impersonation is remotely plausible as a concern to election integrity? It's not. It's been researched exhaustively. Same people aren't risking prison to cast a single vote. 

Or maybe your cultish zealotry is so strong, that it makes sense to you?

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Rebound said:

The war you’re referring to occurred in 1948. As I recall, the Palestinians lost that war. 

Well, it appears that war is not over yet because Hamas refuses to acknowledge that loss.