I don't give a damn about truth and reconciliation

[Michael Hardner]

59 minutes ago, herbie said:

What a shameful thing to brag about.

Many Chuds support things just because it annoys decent people...

I have found that.

[Dougie93]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

People who don't care about past wrongs sure seem to love past rights...

Either forget all the past or none of it.  Stop selecting past events that you care about.  Stop trying to feel good about history and instead look at it to illuminate the present.

Happy Truth and Reconcilliation Day to those who celebrate.

there will be no reconciliation with Canada being condemned for "genocide"

those are terms for civil war

in which the First Nations will pay a terrible price

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Canadian_Cavalier said:

The real lesson of residential schools is to not trust government to know what's best for your children.

A group of activists have high interest in turning it into Canada's "original sin" as a way to get people (mostly whites) to hate our history and nation. I'll always love this country while recognizing it isn't perfect. God bless Canada.

For the win

BTW - the whole manditory school thing wasn't a native thing - it applied to all children.  Most people lived close enough to a school that they didn't have to board them or anything but there were a LOT of immigrants who complained that their kids were being 'indoctrinated' into the english culture and were quite mad about it.

[herbie]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

there were a LOT of immigrants who complained that their kids were being 'indoctrinated' into the english culture and were quite mad about it.

because the last thing you want immigrants to do is integrate into normal society like the rest of us?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

because the last thing you want immigrants to do is integrate into normal society like the rest of us?

Why don't you ask the first nations how integration went for them?

[Moonlight Graham]

It's a funny thing, the narratives we tell ourselves, the things we focus on vs the things we ignore.

Some terrible things happened to indigenous peoples.  Europeans also brought them medicine, technology, nutrition, literacy and education etc.

It's good to know acknowledge past wrongs, but it can also be counterproductive to treat an entire people like a bunch of victims if you truly care about their well-being.  Turning a once self-sufficient people (but poor, subsistent, low live expectancy) into dependents of the state who are conditioned by our culture to feel sorry for themselves and make excuses if they have shortcomings is not all it's cracked up to be I'd imagine.

I get the sentiments of the OP but the language is disrespectful.

[August1991]

9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

...

For example, if you talk about slavery nowadays you'll get the impression that whites were the only slave-owners ever, and nothing could be further from the truth. Whites are actually the people who abolished slavery when given the chance, and no one else ever did that before. Millions of whites also spent centuries as slaves, we probably spent more person-years enduring it than benefitting from it. 

The topic of residential schools is the exact same.

...

I agree with many posts in this thread - but here, I disagree.

====

Slavery is different. Curious, I have walked around places where slaves were bought/sold.

This is what struck me about slave markets: children were separated from their mother, sisters from their brother

-a man who loved a woman? They were separated.

 

[Nexii]

15 hours ago, I am Groot said:

It's called the Indian Act because the native chiefs wouldn't allow us to scrap it out of fear it would lessen their power over their people - and the money we continue to funnel through their hands.

I meant that it could at least be renamed without changing the substance of it

[I am Groot]

18 hours ago, Nexii said:

I care more about the present and it's brutally sobering. Life expectancy for FN/Indigenous is 10-15 years lower than the general Canadian population. 

Well gee, it's too bad there isn't some way for them to get off their reservations and come and live in the cities like the rest of us, eh?

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

You got f**ked up the a** too did you? You were told to just suck it up and get over it?

Bullshit.  

You think that happened to every kid at residential schools? It was never more than a small minority there. And there were sure a lot of pedos hanging out in ordinary schools, too. Not to mention working as coaches and boy scout leaders.

[I am Groot]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

It's not out of self-pity that I ridicule conservatives for persisting in their belief the world is shaped by the tension that exists between them and the left, it's their refusal to consider that it's the relationship between the governed and government that's at issue.

No, it's the tension between those who want order and those who crave disorder. You can see now because of liberal ascendency in the Anglosphere the high and growing level of disorder as liberals gleefully refuse to enforce laws and criminals and crazies roam the streets attacking anyone they want with impunity. 

The biggest issue for all of human society throughout history has been order and security. And right now, because of the left, that is waning. 

15 hours ago, herbie said:

What a shameful thing to brag about.

Do you own a Proud To Be a Deplorable hat you wear in public?

Those who own their own future and take responsibility for it are deplorable, are they?

[I am Groot]

14 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Many Chuds support things just because it annoys decent people...

I have found that.

Look at the guy who loves to portray himself as the wise, mature, neutral arbiter of intelligent discussion dismissing everyone who disagrees as morally inferior! LOL

The Left loves to do this. All their policies and beliefs are noble and good and meant to HELP so anyone who disagrees is immoral and evil and cruel and wants to hurt the poor and are 'chuds' annoying 'decent people'. 

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Why don't you ask the first nations how integration went for them?

Those who integrated are a lot better off than those who didn't.

[I am Groot]

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

It's a funny thing, the narratives we tell ourselves, the things we focus on vs the things we ignore.

Some terrible things happened to indigenous peoples.  Europeans also brought them medicine, technology, nutrition, literacy and education etc.

It's good to know acknowledge past wrongs, but it can also be counterproductive to treat an entire people like a bunch of victims if you truly care about their well-being.  Turning a once self-sufficient people (but poor, subsistent, low live expectancy) into dependents of the state who are conditioned by our culture to feel sorry for themselves and make excuses if they have shortcomings is not all it's cracked up to be I'd imagine.

I get the sentiments of the OP but the language is disrespectful.

It was meant to be.

Over the past eight years I've gone from having enormous sympathy for natives to being irritated and resentful every time I have to listen to another goddam whiny statement about how we're on the 'unceded land of the Algonquin' or hear myself described as a 'settler' or hear about billions and billion more going to natives to make up for this or that 'wrong' or see them blocking roads or rail lines or demanding Canada day be canceled or hearing one guilt-mongering story after another about how bad life is at this or that reserve.

It's too much and I'm sick of it and sick of them. They have agency. Any one of them can stop feeling sorry for themselves, move into town and get a damn job like the rest of us.

Edited September 30, 2023 by I am Groot

[Dougie93]

14 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

It's too much and I'm sick of it and sick of them. They have agency. Any one of them can stop feeling sorry for themselves, move into town and get a damn job like the rest of us.

but this is all emanating from the American Woke cultural revolution

Priggish Canadians have a deep seated desperation to be holier than thou

so they are easily indoctrinated into a moral panic

this is not the culture of the Indians being imposed from below

this is the white Laurentian Elites of Eastern Canada imposing this from above as an invasion from America

[Dougie93]

47 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Those who integrated are a lot better off than those who didn't.

the Grand River Mohawks who saved Canada at Queenston Heights on 13 October 1812

were farmers who worshipped at His Majesty's Royal Chapel of the Mohawks in Brantford

the Americans fled in a panic at the sound of their war cries, fearing being taken by the savages

but the Grand River Mohawks were not savages, they were Christians

[Dougie93]

the Lyons Sisters

Métis Nation of Ontario

I note that they are flying the Red Ensign

Loyalists of Upper Canada

[Nationalist]

We do declare holidays to celebrate and acknowledge significant events in history. Our national birthday...Thanksgiving...and this. But what are we celebrating? The success of the native people? Not really eh?

Should I carry guilt over the actions of people over a century ago? Were the colonists responsible for the the creation of the reserves? Why do so many natives reject the world as it exists today? Reject our society?

IMO...the native leadership is perpetuating this social division for their own benefit. 

[Dougie93]

17 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

 But what are we celebrating?

I am happy to celebrate any Indians who are Loyalist to the British Crown

God save the King & HM Mohawk Warriors

[Dougie93]

29 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

 Not really eh?

but aren't you a Canadian Nationalist who declaims the rule of the British Crown in North America ?

surely Louis Riel is your Fellow Traveller therein ?

this is what Canadian Nationalism looks like

the birth of Canadian Nationalism in fact

the Father of Manitoba

[Nationalist]

18 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

but aren't you a Canadian Nationalist who declaims the rule of the British Crown in North America ?

surely Louis Riel is your Fellow Traveller therein ?

this is what Canadian Nationalism looks like

the birth of Canadian Nationalism in fact

the Father of Manitoba

I'm missing your point here.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

I'm missing your point here.

Truth & Reconciliation Day is the essence of Canadian Nationalism

this is what republican nationalism in Canada looks like

this the narrative of Canadian Nationalists, this is Canadian Nationalism incarnate

Canadian Nationalism being fundamentally left wing & Americanized

so you see oddly out of step with your Canadian Nationalist cohort

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

every time I have to listen to another goddam whiny statement

You should learn to get used to it because you'll be hearing it for the rest of your life.

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Truth & Reconciliation Day is the essence of Canadian Nationalism

this is what republican nationalism in Canada looks like

this the narrative of Canadian Nationalists, this is Canadian Nationalism incarnate

Canadian Nationalism being fundamentally left wing & Americanized

so you see oddly out of step with your Canadian Nationalist cohort

Oh BS. I know you think Canada is nothing more than a British colony. But those days are gone. Canada is its own nation and if Pixie-Dust would step aside, we could bring Canada to its full potential.

[Dougie93]

Just now, Nationalist said:

Oh BS. I know you think Canada is nothing more than a British colony. But those days are gone. Canada is its own nation and if Pixie-Dust would step aside, we could bring Canada to its full potential.

Pixie Dust is the nature of Canadian Nationalism

I simply know my history, the story of my people

there is no dishonour in being the only Confederation of the British Empire

Loyalist Orangemen of Upper Canada, Guardians of Confederation, rally to the Colours

Victoria Queen & Empress : Pro Patria

 

[Nationalist]

16 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Pixie Dust is the nature of Canadian Nationalism

I simply know my history, the story of my people

there is no dishonour in being the only Confederation of the British Empire

Loyalist Orangemen of Upper Canada, Guardians of Confederation, rally to the Colours

Victoria Queen & Empress : Pro Patria

 

Meh...wrong flag.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Meh...wrong flag.

do not fly the Liberal Party of Canada flag, do not sing the Liberal Party of Canada song

only fly the Red Ensign

only play God Save The King, The Maple Leaf Forever & The Regimental March

Dileas Gu Brath