Time to bring back capital punishment for murder of police officers and prison guards

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

You shall not steal (Exodus 20:15; Deuteronomy 5:19).

If the Bible teaches us that Caesar is a thief then why does it command us to obey him?

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

If the Bible teaches us that Caesar is a thief then why does it command us to obey him?

Never said that.  Do you understand the difference between western Capitalism and Socialism/Communism?

[blackbird]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

So does your bible say anything about paying your taxes?

Do you think society is responsible for criminals killing police officers?  Would you blame society or is the criminal entirely responsible for his actions?

[Army Guy]

On 9/24/2023 at 1:32 AM, TreeBeard said:

So, the death penalty doesn’t deter murders, does it?

Most studies done say that the death penalty has not reduced the murder rate significantly, nor has abolition of the death penalty had any effect on decreasing murder rates. Ya it works both ways...

Other studies also suggest that reduced sentences or new programs bought in to rehabilitate Prisoners have shown little to no results in murder reduction either. 

Is this the only metric we use to show if the death penalty works or not, Are there any more...

what about cost to tax payer which comes to millions for each prisoner over a 25 year, life time for 1 st degree murder, but second degree can mean 10 to 25 year sentence. Is 10 years suffice for taking a life... Then what about justice for the family, is 10 years served going to be OK with them, probably not besides there are no accounts for what the family experiences in any sentences...Our nation tokes more effort to make sure the criminal rights are looked after, not the victims... 

Does it make a difference, in murder rates, maybe not but have you seen a prisoner get strapped into that gurney and hooked up with all those IV's think they regret killing anyone , in that moment they know they are going to die...I'd bet you a million pesos they wish they could take that day back...

Nobody wants to die, even those die hard terrorist don't want to die...put that on TV and you'll get a reduction of murder rates, let the public see what the results are when hooked up to iv's strapped onto a gurney, ..On TV you say are you crazy...ya on TV, this is justice for those that want to see it...No reductions in the murder rate becasue no one sees the final results, or consequences  they pull the screen and the death goes unviewed, it is like it did not happen....

Besides and who really thinks of the consequences of a split second decision to take a life...like shooting a police officer...until they are strapped to the table...then thats all they regret...

We should not only open 1 st degree charges for killing cops but also those adults that kill children...

We have covered cost of housing these animals, we covered justice for the families, we talked about retribution, we covered letting the people see the results of the death penalty first hand. and if the murder rate does not go down, well we are saving millions in housing/ feeding these people, not to mention they will be removed from the planet, so they will not kill again...

 

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Neither abolition nor the re-introduction of capital punishment have been shown to affect homicide rates significantly.

Capital Punishment in Canada | The Canadian Encyclopedia

 

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Public Debate to Reinstate

There has been a vigorous public debate over whether capital punishment should be reinstated. Those in favour claim it is an effective deterrent to homicide. However, most studies in Western societies conclude that murder rates have remained stable or declined with decreasing use of capital punishment. Neither abolition nor the re-introduction of capital punishment have been shown to affect homicide rates significantly.

 

 

[herbie]

BTW it's 2023 your flag is a maple leaf, you buy your gas in litres, you don't carry a 'bank book' anymore  and the 'debate' on capital punishment is as long over.e USA is the

The USA is the only country left that has capital punishment and still pretends to be civilized.

[herbie]

BTW is there a verse in the Bible for RedDog? Render unto Caesar but the money belongs to Palestine and not Rome?

[blackbird]

On 9/24/2023 at 7:57 PM, CdnFox said:

I understand you're a  loser who insults his betters when he realizes he's in the wrong and screwed up. I understand you have no respect for honest discussion and your comprehension skills are miniscule which is why you need to try to justify every thought you have with a fictional storybook.

 

On 9/24/2023 at 7:45 PM, CdnFox said:

Every now and then i pretend you are NOT a jackass with zero intelligence and a personality similar to that of a green slug and treat you like a real person instead of the loser puppet you are and answer your questions honestly and directly and clearly.

 I would appreciate it if when that happens you don't spit in my face with stupidity that rivals that of a particularly dumb rabid chihuahua in return,.

Not only are you the worst false accuser, insulter, and name caller on the forum, but you regularly violate the Human Rights Code by attacking me personally for my religious beliefs and political opinions.  My comments do not attack you personally the way you do.  You have no limits to how far you will go.

Your constant demeaning and insulting pattern toward me is obvious to anyone who reads it.  By doing so, you are really just painting yourself.

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(b)to promote a climate of understanding and mutual respect where all are equal in dignity and rights;

(c)to prevent discrimination prohibited by this Code;   unquote

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(a)indicates discrimination or an intention to discriminate against a person or a group or class of persons, or

(b)is likely to expose a person or a group or class of persons to hatred or contempt

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[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 

Not only are you the worst false accuser, insulter, and name caller on the forum, but you regularly violate the Human Rights Code by attacking me personally for my religious beliefs and political opinions.  My comments do not attack you personally the way you do.  You have no limits to how far you will go.

Your constant demeaning and insulting pattern toward me is obvious to anyone who reads it.  By doing so, you are really just painting yourself.

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3  The purposes of this Code are as follows:

(a)to foster a society in British Columbia in which there are no impediments to full and free participation in the economic, social, political and cultural life of British Columbia;

(b)to promote a climate of understanding and mutual respect where all are equal in dignity and rights;

(c)to prevent discrimination prohibited by this Code;   unquote

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7   (1)A person must not publish, issue or display, or cause to be published, issued or displayed, any statement, publication, notice, sign, symbol, emblem or other representation that

(a)indicates discrimination or an intention to discriminate against a person or a group or class of persons, or

(b)is likely to expose a person or a group or class of persons to hatred or contempt

because of the Indigenous identity, race, colour, ancestry, place of origin, religion, marital status, family status, physical or mental disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, or age of that person or that group or class of persons.   unquote

Human Rights Code (gov.bc.ca)

ROFLMAO -  well let's sort through some of your stupid shall we?

1 -  The accusations are 100 percent true. You're just butthurt someone calls you on it. But lets get real - i am FAR from the only person on this board who speaks of you the same way.

2- Your human rights do not extiguish my rights to state that your imaginary friend and your "jesus christ and the chamber of secrets" fantasy book is nothing more than a crutch you use because you're weak minded.  I still have the right to my opinion.

3 -  you completely misunderstand the law.  Sorry.

4 - you started this.  I was completely polite and honest in my reply to you and you decided to be  a pr*ck.  I DO find your comments insulting - and you got insulted back and like the baby you are you can't  cope.

So screw you and your idolatry. If you're so weak that you have to hide behind 'caspar the friendly ghost' while you insult people rather than deal with facts and reason then it's your own fault if people point at you an laugh. 

It's people like you that make gods think "Maybe i should just flood the planet, drown them all and start over'.

[Army Guy]

21 hours ago, herbie said:

BTW it's 2023 your flag is a maple leaf, you buy your gas in litres, you don't carry a 'bank book' anymore  and the 'debate' on capital punishment is as long over.e USA is the

The USA is the only country left that has capital punishment and still pretends to be civilized.

Well i guess it is good this is just a forum, and not parliament, on a forum one can discuss any topic. My response was to your comments.

Do you fact check anything you print, there are dozens of countries that still has capital punishment...China, North Korea, the list is a long one...

Death penalty: How many countries still have it? - BBC News

[herbie]

ARe you going to claim China and N Korea are 'civilized" countries now? Pretty lax definition you have.

Even Russia quietly pushes you out the 5th floor hotel window. No pretentious show of 'justice'.

[August1991]

On 9/25/2023 at 12:26 AM, herbie said:

You'd probably kill the woman if you tried to put a child back in the womb. If a woman actually manage ro shove a child back up there and killed it, she'd be definitely guilty of murder.

But on the subject cops & screws are not more valuable than you or the kid flipping your burger. Shouldn't need to explain that to you. Or that you're dredging up something rejected 50 years ago.

Herbie,

I first thought to ignore your post. But then I thought further. Remembered. Life.

Some individuals want to manipulate.

Other individuals want to make us feel bad.

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What kind of internal conversation do you have? 

[August1991]

On 9/25/2023 at 5:36 PM, Army Guy said:

Most studies done say that the death penalty has not reduced the murder rate significantly, nor has abolition of the death penalty had any effect on decreasing murder rates. Ya it works both ways..

Not the issue.

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The death penalty puts a card on the table for the Crown Prosecutor.

[Army Guy]

7 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Not the issue.

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The death penalty puts a card on the table for the Crown Prosecutor.

It is the issue when your arguing that the death penalty does noting to reduce the murder rate... which it does but not by much...Getting rid of the death penalty did not see a reduction in murder rates either...what it did do was we did not have to pay tax dollars in housing them, nor did we have to contend with them getting out and reoffending. 

[August1991]

49 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

It is the issue when your arguing that the death penalty does noting to reduce the murder rate... which it does but not by much...Getting rid of the death penalty did not see a reduction in murder rates either...what it did do was we did not have to pay tax dollars in housing them, nor did we have to contend with them getting out and reoffending. 

Disagree.

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Army Guy,

Would you "negotiate" in such a firefight?

[TreeBeard]

On 9/24/2023 at 7:41 PM, blackbird said:

That particular law was a part of the laws that only applied to Israel

If that’s the case, then the passage just before it about a man shall not lie with another man also only pertains to the Jews at that time.  

[WestCanMan]

On 9/23/2023 at 7:27 PM, TreeBeard said:

If the death penalty works to deter crime, why does the USA have such a high murder rate?

If you put a bunch of rats in a big cage with plenty to do, they are very social animals with no unusual behaviours. If you cram them into a small cage without enough food they become very aggressive and even kill each other.

The projects are like the cramped rat cage. Comparing Canada's murder rate to that of the US is like comparing Saskatoon and Regina to Compton and Watts. Sorry, it's just not very bright. 

[blackbird]

13 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

If that’s the case, then the passage just before it about a man shall not lie with another man also only pertains to the Jews at that time.  

I think I already explained that some time ago.  You can Google it if you want.  The subject here is capital punishment for murder.

Edited September 28, 2023 by blackbird

[Aristides]

On 9/25/2023 at 3:04 PM, herbie said:

BTW it's 2023 your flag is a maple leaf, you buy your gas in litres, you don't carry a 'bank book' anymore  and the 'debate' on capital punishment is as long over.e USA is the

The USA is the only country left that has capital punishment and still pretends to be civilized.

I would say Japan is another. South Korea as well but they hardly ever use it.

[Army Guy]

On 9/26/2023 at 7:19 PM, herbie said:

ARe you going to claim China and N Korea are 'civilized" countries now? Pretty lax definition you have.

Even Russia quietly pushes you out the 5th floor hotel window. No pretentious show of 'justice'.

Come on Herbie address the elephant in the room, you sated the US is the only nation to still have capital punishment which turns out to be a lie....and your come back is china and north Korea are not civilized, what about the other nations on the list. 

[herbie]

17 hours ago, August1991 said:

Some individuals want to manipulate.

Other individuals want to make us feel bad.

And some people simply refuse to comprehend the difference between a fetus and a child. So I pointed that out as bluntly and crudely as possible for their sake.

[herbie]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

you sated the US is the only nation to still have capital punishment which turns out to be a lie.

Bullshit to your pettiness, the lie is pretending to be civilized and still using the death penalty. So I get 100 replies of who still uses it as if THAT was the comment. So reread posts until it CLICKS in the mind instead of assuming it's something else entirely.
The thread title suggests not only something that's not going to happen, but bringing it back for only certain victims implying they are more valuable than other citizens. You think a uniform makes you special, go salute your mailman or the kid at Wendys.

What other suggestions from the past are you retrogrades going to come up with next? Return of stoning? Burning for witchcraft? Return of miscegeny laws? The Charter of Rights and Freedoms is too "woke"?

[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, herbie said:

And some people simply refuse to comprehend the difference between a fetus and a child. So I pointed that out as bluntly and crudely as possible for their sake.

You're the child right?  (ha! totally could tell the difference!   )

[herbie]

I have a brother in law that immediately cracks a "Dad" joke or pun after every comment made at the dinner table. You should meet him.

My sister and nieces would love a day off.

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Come on Herbie address the elephant in the room, you sated the US is the only nation to still have capital punishment which turns out to be a lie....and your come back is china and north Korea are not civilized, what about the other nations on the list. 

He's mostly right. When you look at who is still using it, the US is in mostly bad company. South Korea still has it but is one of the countries that hasn't executed anyone in the last 10 years.

Being mistaken doesn't make someone a liar. That word gets used far too much around here.

Edited September 28, 2023 by Aristides

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Bullshit to your pettiness, the lie is pretending to be civilized and still using the death penalty.

So you think a guy who murdered mulitple people or murdered a police officer who was trying to protect your butt, should escape the justice of capital punishment and instead be able to live in relative comfort at taxpayers expense of millions of dollars over 25 years.  And at that point start holding parole hearings every few years and put the victims families through the horror show of hearing it all again and having to see the offender.  And if he does get parole, he might go out again and kill more people because it has happened before. That's your idea of justice and being civilized.   Sad.

Edited September 28, 2023 by blackbird