The Truth On Residential Schools Is Suppressed

[Zeitgeist]

Very few public figures have called out the TRC and federal government on its assumptions and lack of evidence supporting the “genocide” false narrative about residential schools.  Thankfully there are still some brave, honest truth-tellers calling out the BS:

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/the-often-ignored-truth/wcm/24ece8ac-b200-4ea2-a592-1ee9a17337b4/amp/

Edited August 26, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Very few public figures have called out the TRC and federal government on its assumptions and lack of evidence supporting the “genocide” false narrative about residential schools.  Thankfully there are still some brave, honest truth-tellers calling out the BS:

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/the-often-ignored-truth/wcm/24ece8ac-b200-4ea2-a592-1ee9a17337b4/amp/

It doesn't seem to even matter in Canada anymore

the academic & managerial elites have effectively imposed this narrative upon Canada

by way of controlling ever public & private institution in the land

[Zeitgeist]

6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It doesn't seem to even matter in Canada anymore

the academic & managerial elites have effectively imposed this narrative upon Canada

by way of controlling ever public & private institution in the land

Yup, and it’s costing taxpayers billions in unjustified endless “reparations”, driving our economy, international stature, and national pride ever further into the ground.

[Dougie93]

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yup, and it’s costing taxpayers billions in unjustified endless “reparations”, driving our economy, international stature, and national pride ever further into the ground.

technically my nation is the House of Windsor

and I still take pride in it

as HM The King is in fact the last institution defending the Loyalists and associated faith

sound the regimental march

[OftenWrong]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

technically my nation is the House of Windsor

and I still take pride in it

as HM The King is in fact the last institution defending the Loyalists and associated faith

sound the regimental march

Agreed fella.

God save the king

[Dougie93]

Just now, OftenWrong said:

Agreed fella.

God save the king

God bless you, Johnny Canuck

come all ye bold Canadians, rally to the colours

[OftenWrong]

21 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

it’s costing taxpayers billions in unjustified endless “reparations”, driving our economy, international stature, and national pride ever further into the ground.

All essential elements

to transform the good Old Canada

into Trudeau's post-national state

....

In other words, we are under attack. It's intentional. Trudeau is the puppet ruler of China and this is their agenda to conquer Canada, so they have free and ready access to our resources.

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

All essential elements

to transform the good Old Canada

into Trudeau's post-national state

....

In other words, we are under attack. It's intentional. Trudeau is the puppet ruler of China and this is their agenda to conquer Canada, so they have free and ready access to our resources.

literally the first invasion of Canada since the Fenian Raids of 1866

the very thing which incited Confederation in the first place

the money changers are through the gates and into temple

God give us strength to stand in the face of it

[herbie]

As "nationalpost opinion" and "truth" don't belong in the same sentence, only a disgusting person would agree with such hateful assumptions that as they didn't find evidence in one single place it couldn't have ever happened anywhere.

Go post something from Conrad Black next.

Edited August 26, 2023 by herbie

[Moonlight Graham]

16 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Very few public figures have called out the TRC and federal government on its assumptions and lack of evidence supporting the “genocide” false narrative about residential schools.  Thankfully there are still some brave, honest truth-tellers calling out the BS:

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/the-often-ignored-truth/wcm/24ece8ac-b200-4ea2-a592-1ee9a17337b4/amp/

These are extremely bold claims, completely counter to the current narrative of what has happened.

Sort of like climate change, we have 2 groups with 2 completely different versions of "facts".

So how is one to know the truth here?  I'm confused.  More investigation needed.

What is troubling is that both activist groups and rightwing commentators frequently lie or distort the truth or conveniently leave out facts.  These are the times we live in.

Edited August 27, 2023 by Moonlight Graham

[BeaverFever]

On 8/26/2023 at 11:20 AM, Zeitgeist said:

Very few public figures have called out the TRC and federal government on its assumptions and lack of evidence supporting the “genocide” false narrative about residential schools.  Thankfully there are still some brave, honest truth-tellers calling out the BS:

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/the-often-ignored-truth/wcm/24ece8ac-b200-4ea2-a592-1ee9a17337b4/amp/

An editorial by Convict Black, LOL This “truth teller”  has been a national punchline for a couple of decades already 

[ExFlyer]

4 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

An editorial by Convict Black, LOL This “truth teller”  has been a national punchline for a couple of decades already 

As much as I think Black has little credibility, he has a point when hersays "on no authority whatsoever, he used the presence of possible but unverified burials of unidentified people to portray Canada as having once been a charnel house of murdered and secretly interred Indigenous children. Again, there was no evidence to sustain any part of that allegation.".

There has yet to be one bone actually uncovered or found.

[Moonbox]

On 8/26/2023 at 3:40 PM, herbie said:

As "nationalpost opinion" and "truth" don't belong in the same sentence, only a disgusting person would agree with such hateful assumptions that as they didn't find evidence in one single place it couldn't have ever happened anywhere.

National post and opinion inform you of the bias, and that's it.  Yours is on display here too.  The reality is that the mass graves have been debunked and it's too embarrassing to talk about it for the people who were apologizing for it.  

 

[ExFlyer]

3 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

National post and opinion inform you of the bias, and that's it.  Yours is on display here too.  The reality is that the mass graves have been debunked and it's too embarrassing to talk about it for the people who were apologizing for it.  

 

Same goes for the Missing indigenous women issue.  When the report was throttled because it leaned to their own men as being the root cause...

[herbie]

4 hours ago, Moonbox said:

The reality is that the mass graves have been debunked and it's too embarrassing to talk about it for the people who were apologizing for it.  

The reality is that "mass graves" are when you bury a bunch of people in ONE common grave and has been used by everyone to sensationalize the issue. And that has never been claimed by any survivors.

What has been claimed for many, many years is that some kids who died in mysterious circumstances were buried unrecognized on school grounds. The record of students that did die and were never buried in a recognized, recorded manner does exist. The well known fact that some were buried and the markers were removed or vandalized proves it did happen.

The claim that in one instance, at one place, no bodies were found does not prove that "the issue has been debunked" at all. Try to refrain from perpetuating racist bullshit on the thinnest of grounds.

Edited August 28, 2023 by herbie

[BeaverFever]

5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

As much as I think Black has little credibility, he has a point when hersays "on no authority whatsoever, he used the presence of possible but unverified burials of unidentified people to portray Canada as having once been a charnel house of murdered and secretly interred Indigenous children. Again, there was no evidence to sustain any part of that allegation.".

There has yet to be one bone actually uncovered or found.

But even before finding the graves, what happened in those schools is already a known a lmd documented fact. It was documented in school records, public media at the time, Truth and Reconciliation Commission documented it as well. When they started finding the graves much of the public commentary was “this is not news, it is just a reminder”. A reminder of how the well known abuses and horrors were swept away from public view so that people would put it out of their minds. For example In one case of school graves in Sask it was once a publicly marked and locally known graveyard. Then eventually after the school was closed “they” (school and or government) just removed the grave markers and eventually after a few decades people forgot. At least the white ones did.
 

So while lots of clueless Canadians heard about Residential schools for the very first time I recall learning about them and watching a movie about it in grade school 35 years ago.  The sexual abuse, the government nutritional experiments, the disappearances are all known fact, as are schools own records of children who died at the school. All of those fact remain regardless of how many graves are found. Thousands of kids never returned home after being sent to those schools, this is a known fact. The number of those whose bodies are buried on school grounds is irrelevant.

So Convict Black’s whole argument is false and irrelevant. Let’s put it another way: Imagine if a school in your community had a long track record of students going missing. Would you there’s no cause for blame as long as the kid’s bodies aren’t found on school’s property?

[ExFlyer]

15 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

But even before finding the graves, what happened in those schools is already a known a lmd documented fact. It was documented in school records, public media at the time, Truth and Reconciliation Commission documented it as well. When they started finding the graves much of the public commentary was “this is not news, it is just a reminder”. A reminder of how the well known abuses and horrors were swept away from public view so that people would put it out of their minds. For example In one case of school graves in Sask it was once a publicly marked and locally known graveyard. Then eventually after the school was closed “they” (school and or government) just removed the grave markers and eventually after a few decades people forgot. At least the white ones did.
 

So while lots of clueless Canadians heard about Residential schools for the very first time I recall learning about them and watching a movie about it in grade school 35 years ago.  The sexual abuse, the government nutritional experiments, the disappearances are all known fact, as are schools own records of children who died at the school. All of those fact remain regardless of how many graves are found. Thousands of kids never returned home after being sent to those schools, this is a known fact. The number of those whose bodies are buried on school grounds is irrelevant.

So Convict Black’s whole argument is false and irrelevant. Let’s put it another way: Imagine if a school in your community had a long track record of students going missing. Would you there’s no cause for blame as long as the kid’s bodies aren’t found on school’s property?

Fact is there are many accusations and claims but nothing documented as you claim.

There has not been one piece of evidence. No paper no nothing. All conjecture and claims.

the real issue is this lives on as no one will speak against the claims hence they are chastised.

Yes, how can you make claims of buried children is there none are actually found.It is an accusation without merit or what? The bodies are not there but they still are buried there? How can you blame someone or something without proof or evidence? As you know, it would all be thrown out in any court in the world except the court of indigenous public opinion.

But hey, if you have some proof to offer, please do so, you can change my mind if I see some evidence.

[Nexii]

The worst part is for all the billions we spend, Indigenous People still live in horrible conditions. First Nations life expectancy is in the 60s, that's Africa levels of suffering

But saying we have to reform it all is somehow racist so nothing improves. It's funny to me that we still call it the "Indian Act" that should tell you how racist the government still is

Edited August 28, 2023 by Nexii

[ExFlyer]

1 minute ago, Nexii said:

The worst part is for all the billions we spend, Indigenous People still live in horrible conditions. First Nations life expectancy is in the 60s, that's Africa levels of suffering

But saying we have to reform it all is somehow racist so nothing improves. It's funny to me that we still call it the "Indian Act" that should tell you how racist the government still is

The choice of living conditions is theirs.

They do get almost everything for free, meaning in most "reservations" or places they choose to live, there is no work so they have no income except what the provinces and feds give them, including housing and mobility. If they take care of their property, perhaps her condition would be better?

As for life expectancy. What is the cause of short life? Is it environment or lifestyle or what else? All peoples have access to medical assistance, everywhere in the country.

The fact is, they , as you, have choices to make to enhance you life and living or let it deteriorate , as you wish. Having been to many remote villages I have seen nice housing and seen dilapidated ones, all on the same street. it is very much a personal problem

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

 

So while lots of clueless Canadians heard about Residential schools for the very first time I recall learning about them and watching a movie about it in grade school 35 years ago.  The sexual abuse, the government nutritional experiments, the disappearances are all known fact, as are schools own records of children who died at the school.

No, but partly right.

"disappearnces' were never really a thing. Sexual abuse happened, of course - it happens in regular schools today for heaven's sake of COURSE it happened back then.  But - there's little to suggest that it was rampant and the idea often portrayed that everyone who attended those schools was sexually abused is !diotic.

But - the nutritional stuff .... that realy happened. SEVERAL times.  The experiments we conducted over 2 decades in the 40's and 50's.   That was some seriously nazi-esque eugenics shit going on there and for SOME reason that's NOT what we're talking about?!?!? We starved and malnourished kids for fun and profit to see what would happen and that gets a pass?

Sure - it was only in sask but it really happened and is undeniable!

The graves thing is a fake story for clicks.  Everyone knew that lots of kids died of illness and mostly tuberculosis - you can't move those bodies safely and every school was also a church with a graveyard so they were buried.  they died at about the same rate they did in the reserves, which is about three times normal (first nations are highly suseptible to tuberculosis - even to this day)

 

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

The reality is that "mass graves" are when you bury a bunch of people in ONE common grave and has been used by everyone to sensationalize the issue. And that has never been claimed by any survivors.

What has been claimed for many, many years is that some kids who died in mysterious circumstances were buried unrecognized on school grounds. The record of students that did die and were never buried in a recognized, recorded manner does exist. The well known fact that some were buried and the markers were removed or vandalized proves it did happen.

The claim that in one instance, at one place, no bodies were found does not prove that "the issue has been debunked" at all. Try to refrain from perpetuating racist bullshit on the thinnest of grounds.

Is it really a "well known fact"? If so, please share with the documents and evidence.

The fact is, it there have been no places and no bodies found anywhere. If you think only one school yard as been checked, you are very misinformed.

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Is it really a "well known fact"? If so, please share with the documents and evidence.

The fact is, it there have been no places and no bodies found anywhere. If you think only one school yard as been checked, you are very misinformed.

you are correct of course.  However it is documented that kids died of illness and were buried. And it was noted that their graves were maintained for many years but the wooden markers did eventually decay and in many cases were removed and never replaced (i don't know where 'vandalized' came from).

SOME of the gravesites probably do include some children - they're right beside other graveyards that were used for the general public after all and children did die of tuberculosis in those schools ,

The deaths by tuberculosis are often not understood in this day and age - tens of thousands of kids were lost to that.  It was horrible.  There was no treatment. They used to have mobile testing vehicles that would go to villages and if you tested positive - yoink! Away you were taken to a 'fresh air' treatment center with something like a 95 percent fatality rate. It wasn't just first nations kids.  My own family lost children to that plague back in the day, obviously before my time but my grandparents talked about it.

 

[herbie]

32 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

The fact is, it there have been no places and no bodies found anywhere. If you think only one school yard as been checked, you are very misinformed.

No you are, that's the only band has allowed any digging on. And as far as adult bodies, nuns and priests didn't get buried anonymously and aren't relevant to the subject.

But keep up your dodging, scraping and racist bullshit, we expect it of you guys by now.

"We're not racists, the Indians are racists for claiming it happened..."

[ExFlyer]

29 minutes ago, herbie said:

No you are, that's the only band has allowed any digging on. And as far as adult bodies, nuns and priests didn't get buried anonymously and aren't relevant to the subject.

But keep up your dodging, scraping and racist bullshit, we expect it of you guys by now.

"We're not racists, the Indians are racists for claiming it happened..."

No, the fact is if they want to dig, the can. There are no marked graves so they are just open fields and can do what they wish but, they don't because their bubble will be burst. And the schools are not on band property.

Listen, just because something is repeated often does not make it true. The truth is backed up by evidence and proof ans so far, there is none.

Calling me or anyone you don't agree with racist is a poor excuse for lack of evidence or proof. Shut me and others up by proving evidence.... if you can. Otherwise suck it up buttercup, you are full of the bullshit, not us.

Edited August 28, 2023 by ExFlyer

[Zeitgeist]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

But even before finding the graves, what happened in those schools is already a known a lmd documented fact. It was documented in school records, public media at the time, Truth and Reconciliation Commission documented it as well. When they started finding the graves much of the public commentary was “this is not news, it is just a reminder”. A reminder of how the well known abuses and horrors were swept away from public view so that people would put it out of their minds. For example In one case of school graves in Sask it was once a publicly marked and locally known graveyard. Then eventually after the school was closed “they” (school and or government) just removed the grave markers and eventually after a few decades people forgot. At least the white ones did.
 

So while lots of clueless Canadians heard about Residential schools for the very first time I recall learning about them and watching a movie about it in grade school 35 years ago.  The sexual abuse, the government nutritional experiments, the disappearances are all known fact, as are schools own records of children who died at the school. All of those fact remain regardless of how many graves are found. Thousands of kids never returned home after being sent to those schools, this is a known fact. The number of those whose bodies are buried on school grounds is irrelevant.

So Convict Black’s whole argument is false and irrelevant. Let’s put it another way: Imagine if a school in your community had a long track record of students going missing. Would you there’s no cause for blame as long as the kid’s bodies aren’t found on school’s property?

You’re simply wrong.  Unmarked graves can be unmarked for many reasons that have nothing to do with covering up facts. There have been countless epidemics from typhoid to tuberculosis that resulted in multiple burials.  People may not like the fact that if children from remote small communities wanted to attend school they would have to live at the school, a fact that remains today for some Indigenous run high schools (that still have higher rates of alcohol abuse and suicide than national averages).

Abuses took place at all schools, more in residential ones.  The world was a harder place.  My grandparents told many stories of what would today be called abuse in schools.

There were many problems with the residential school system, yet thousands of Indigenous parents freely chose it.  They were pushed by progressives as providing literacy to the illiterate and helping Indigenous.  I’m not interested in whitewashing any of it, but I am interested in facts.

You may not like Black because of his success in business and some controversy around him being made a Lord in Britain or getting in trouble for allegedly shredding documents.  He is an excellent writer and he has done some very important journalism.

Edited August 29, 2023 by Zeitgeist