Devon Archer Transcript proves Joe had the Ukrainian prosecutor fired to help end the investigation into his son's energy firm Burisma

[Rebound]

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Blah, blah, blah.

Doesn't it make you wonder why no one who's 'in the know' has bothered to say "but they never met each other", or "they didn't know each other"? Doesn't it make you wonder why no one has been asked by members of the MSM if they know each other? Does it not matter at all? Of course it does: Hunter's dad is Trump's main political adversary. 

Do you know why they don't say/ask it? Of course you don't, so I'll tell you:

Because Joe Biden already tried to say "I wasn't aware of any of Hunter's overseas business dealings" despite the fact that Hunter closed deals with the Communist Bank of China while flying with his father on AF2, and his 20+ conference calls with Burisma while Hunter was on the board there. Now we're all left to wonder "Why did Joe feel like he needed to lie?" If Hunter and Chutkan pretend that they don't know each other, all it takes is one photo to prove that Chutkan is a huge liar. Do you think anyone from CNN or MSNBC or NBC etc will ever ask either of them if they know each other? Of course not: they all still regret asking Joe if he knew about Hunter's foreign cash cows. 

Do you know what else?

If Joe didn't run his idjit mouth about firing the prosecutor then we'd all be none the wiser. Hunter's $83K/mo windfall would never have come up, his close connection to Trump's judge would never have come up, and this whole access peddling scheme would have flown completely under the radar. 

That's the cost to the Biden family for Joe's stupidity and blatant lies. But now he's the POTUS and his blatant lies and stupidity represent the entire country.

The whole world knows that Biden is basically an international terrorist now, after destroying Russian/German infrastructure, and the US, the whole country, are known as massive liars on the international stage. Plus they embarrassed their allies and left them all in the dark during the Afghan withdrawal debacle - America's most humiliating military defeat since Little Bighorn.

Leftards are such a joke. I honestly think that a lot of the leftists on here are Russian trolls. Russians love all the division that their $200K in FB ads caused, no doubt they're still milking that for all it's worth. What better way than to go on social media boards and pretend that Russian collusion was real? Or to pretend that no one was forced to vax? Etc...

You are lying. 
You think that if you and your “team” repeat the same lies enough times, people will believe them.  
 

That should be your conscience’s clue that you’ve sided with evil.  

[ironstone]

On 8/3/2023 at 7:22 PM, herbie said:

No shit, eh?

Dedicated to Americans do goddam full of themselves they even think the POTUS or any other US politician can (or has the right to try) tell leaders of another country WTF to hire and fire.
That's my one criticism of Justin Trudeau, he doesn't have his father's balls to tell one that ries to FOAD

Dodge, deflect, lie, stick your fingers in your ears and go Na Na Na! Whatabout this whatabout that whatabout anything else at all....

Have you truly never seen the video clip of Joe Biden bragging about getting the prosecutor fired because he threatened to withhold aid money?

On 8/5/2023 at 8:17 PM, robosmith said:

NY POST Tabloid. Strike 1

KNOWN LIAR Carlson. Strike 2

NOT Sworn testimony. AKA NOT evidence Strike 3.

You're OUT!

What makes Archer an expert on what Shokin did? Fake news? LMAO

Or you just want to believe SOME of what he says? AKA, hypocrisy.

Was Devon Archer at one time a business partner of Hunter Biden? Are you not aware of that fact either?

[WestCanMan]

16 hours ago, myata said:

Note I don't claim that Joe Biden is a saint or the voice of the Final and Absolute Truth as you do about your Clown Idol. It's very simple really: if he is involved in so many reprehensible acts and illegal as you're claiming, there has to be a way to obtain objective evidence of that in accordance with democratic laws and procedures. Until that time, it's only your repeating some ungrounded claims. And if you do it repeatedly and persistently, without established evidence, may raise a question whether it's another sh*t blower. A democratic society cannot give in to irresponsible smear campaigns because the cost can be too high.

Who's gonna do that myata? The FBI? Of course not. 

If you're so worried about democratic laws and procedures then why don't you have anything to say about the FBI's litany of lies, crimes, entrapment schemes and other forms of election interference? It's not like there was one isolated incident. Their bias and malfeasance has been the common denominator for years now. They're so far past the point of having credibility that they make Trump look like a saint. 

4 hours ago, Rebound said:

You are lying. 
You think that if you and your “team” repeat the same lies enough times, people will believe them.  
 

That should be your conscience’s clue that you’ve sided with evil.  

Cry me a river Rebound. 

I know that you don't like this topic, so why don't you just ignore it? Just watch CNN and your little heart will never have to be troubled again. You'll get the confirmation bias and lies that you need 24/7.  

[reason10]

15 hours ago, robosmith said:

Their star witness Archer has said under oath he HAS NO KNOWLEDGE of wrongdoing by Joe Biden.

Of course, And that star witness got a nice huge check to lie.

Biden is a criminal. He belongs in prison.

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Have you truly never seen the video clip of Joe Biden bragging about getting the prosecutor fired because he threatened to withhold aid money?

That's the least of it: in the same breath he went on to say that he "got a solid guy put in his place". 

It would be one thing for Biden to put pressure on Ukraine to fire one 'corrupt' prosecutor, but for him to unilaterally select the next guy from the ranks every eligible candidate in their country is even worse.

And whaddya know? Biden's "solid" guy dropped the charges against Zlochevskiy and he was able to come back to Ukraine. Chalk it up as a 'solid' win for team Biden and Burisma corruption. 

[myata]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

about the FBI's litany of lies, crimes, entrapment schemes and other forms of

I'm not claiming that FBI is a company of saints either. But I accept that I'm living in a rational world and in it I have to look for objective facts and evidence of any claims. For the reasons already discussed I cannot take your statements for either; quite the opposite maybe, for the obvious reasons.

[WestCanMan]

11 minutes ago, myata said:

I'm not claiming that FBI is a company of saints either.

Wrong.

What you're doing is trying to gloss over the extremely serious nature of the FBI's lies and crimes and the extent to which they were used to influence elections. 

The US has become the perfect example of all the various ways that democracy can be attacked/destroyed from within. The FBI and Dems use every trick in the book to subvert democracy while people like you regurgitate their platitudes and wave the pom-poms. 

[myata]

9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The FBI and Dems use every trick in the book to subvert democracy while people like you regurgitate their platitudes and wave the pom-poms. 

A claim is not a fact and does not count as a fact. You seem to not understand that and there's no point in repeating. In a rational world, a claim can be either supported by established objective evidence, or rejected as invalid, incorrect, untrue. For the reasons noted previously, all your claims are rejected as untrue (this is my personal judgement and yes I take responsibility), until and unless confirmed by objective evidence. That should be very clear.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

Have you truly never seen the video clip of Joe Biden bragging about getting the prosecutor fired because he threatened to withhold aid money?

Everyone here has seen the video. Thing is, Joe is NOT SHAMELESS Trump who brags about doing completely unethical deeds.

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

Was Devon Archer at one time a business partner of Hunter Biden? Are you not aware of that fact either?

That does not change the FACT that his conversation with LIAR Carlson was NOT under oath.

People can LIE on TV all day long with NO REPERCUSSIONS. AKA, it's NOT STRONG EVIDENCE.

Edited August 7, 2023 by robosmith

[West]

On 8/3/2023 at 11:57 AM, SNOWFLAKE said:

YET, amazingly, all the suppositions, suspicions, guesses, whataboutisms don't seem to produce any actually evidence.

In Trump's case............

A rightwing thinking: If I believe something to be true, or if I heard a rumor, or someone told me something (but provided no evidence), then I would believe it.

And then rightwingers wonder why they are regarded as monumentally stupid:

https://slate.com/technology/2017/11/why-conservatives-are-more-susceptible-to-believing-in-lies.html

There is you just have partisan prosecutors only interested in protecting the Biden crime cartel 

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Biden's "solid" guy dropped the charges against Zlochevskiy and he was able to come back to Ukraine. Chalk it up as a 'solid' win for team Biden and Burisma corruption. 

Ah, these mysterious charges again. What were they and when were they dropped? I'll hold my breath.

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, ironstone said:

 

Was Devon Archer at one time a business partner of Hunter Biden? Are you not aware of that fact either?

Indeed, Archer explained with full transparency that he partnered with Hunter Biden because the Biden brand and the hope/appearance of access would be great for business. 

He also said that Joe Biden never took action on their behalf and, indeed, never even talked business with them. In his testimony and his Carlson interview Archer said that whenever Joe Biden was visible/audible to Hunter's business contacts, all they talked about was small talk--weather, fishing travel etc.

I actually don't think that's accidental. Hunter and Joe are not naïve. Both of them are are aware there is great value for Hunter in demonstrating that easy access to Joe. In a way, he could "help" his son without ever actually doing anything on his behalf or making any ethical compromises. Just catching up with his son for a few minutes is all it takes.

Note that this actually comports with the internal conversation between Hunter and Archer: we can give the appearance of influence, but I can't actually get my data do to anything.

   

[SNOWFLAKE]

2 hours ago, West said:

There is you just have partisan prosecutors only interested in protecting the Biden crime cartel 

Yeah, ok.

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, myata said:

A claim is not a fact and does not count as a fact. You seem to not understand that and there's no point in repeating. In a rational world, a claim can be either supported by established objective evidence, or rejected as invalid, incorrect, untrue. For the reasons noted previously, all your claims are rejected as untrue (this is my personal judgement and yes I take responsibility), until and unless confirmed by objective evidence. That should be very clear.

Wow, sounds like you take facts very seriously.

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The FBI are scum, and that's not a claim, it's a fact.

They were busted for entrapment in the Whitmer case but they released that story 1 month before the 2020 election so no one knew it was illegitimate at election time, they were caught lying about the Hunter laptop to get stories about it banned from social media 1 month before the 2020 election, and they committed actual crimes and lied thousands of times during the Russian collusion show trial. Their Russian collusion report had 17 significant errors and omissions... so after 3 years and tens of millions of dollars they basically handed in a shitty Gr 9 book report and got an f- on it. 

The Americans are theoretically relying on the FBI as one of the cornerstones of their democracy but it's quicksand: the FBI is the actual muck that's dragging the democracy down.  

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Wow, sounds like you take facts very seriously.

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The FBI are scum, and that's not a claim, it's a fact.

They were busted for entrapment in the Whitmer case but they released that story 1 month before the 2020 election so no one knew it was illegitimate at election time, they were caught lying about the Hunter laptop to get stories about it banned from social media 1 month before the 2020 election, and they committed actual crimes and lied thousands of times during the Russian collusion show trial. Their Russian collusion report had 17 significant errors and omissions... so after 3 years and tens of millions of dollars they basically handed in a shitty Gr 9 book report and got an f- on it. 

The Americans are theoretically relying on the FBI as one of the cornerstones of their democracy but it's quicksand: the FBI is the actual muck that's dragging the democracy down.  

^^Compulsive liar at work again.

The FBI didn't say anything about Hunter's laptop

There were 2 acquittals in the Whitmer case and 7 GUILTY, yet he presents it was illegitimate

The FBI has good cause to investigate the Trump campaign for Russian collusion -- even the goddamn Durham report acknowledged that a preliminary investigation was warranted. And indeed, they uncovered fairly damning evidence.

Give it a rest already. 

 

 

[myata]

12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The FBI are scum, and that's not a claim, it's a fact.

Q.E.D.

[Rebound]

On 8/7/2023 at 11:25 AM, ironstone said:

Have you truly never seen the video clip of Joe Biden bragging about getting the prosecutor fired because he threatened to withhold aid money?

Was Devon Archer at one time a business partner of Hunter Biden? Are you not aware of that fact either?

We know that Joe Biden got a prosecutor fired because the prosecutor was corrupt and the entire EU, World Bank and IMF wanted him fired. Joe got it done. Cause Joe Biden kicks ass. 
 

We know that Burisma did not want this prosecutor fired, because Devon Archer said so.  
 

We don’t know anything else except what you are imagining.  Yes, it COULD be possible that Burisma gave Hunter money to get the prosecutor fired. It is POSSIBLE. And the Easter Bunny is possible and Santa Claus is possible. Just because something is POSSIBLE does not make it true.  That’s what EVIDENCE is for and you right wingers are just too stupid to understand what evidence is because you believe in myths and make-believe and QAnon and any other make believe BS you’re fed. Ergo, you’re a bunch of brain-washed nincompoops who are  checked out from reality.  

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, myata said:

Q.E.D.

 

Proven:

1)They were busted for entrapment in the Whitmer case but they released that story 1 month before the 2020 election so no one knew it was illegitimate at election time,

2) they were caught lying about the Hunter laptop to get stories about it banned from social media 1 month before the 2020 election, and

3) they committed actual crimes and lied thousands of times during the Russian collusion show trial.

4) Their Russian collusion report had 17 significant errors and omissions... so after 3 years and tens of millions of dollars they basically handed in a shitty Gr 9 book report and got an f- on it. 

FYI that's only a 'police force' to the same extent that the Gestapo were a police force. Once integrity is shot it doesn't just magically come back. 

[myata]

18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Their Russian collusion report had 17 significant errors and omissions...

Did you forget charges and convictions in a democratic court of law? These are facts, objectively verifiable. Q.E.D. Misrepresentation etc you find the synonym until proven otherwise.

[WestCanMan]

17 hours ago, Hodad said:

Compulsive liar at work again.

If you make that your signature it will be the one honest thing you do in all your days here.

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The FBI didn't say anything about Hunter's laptop

^Liar.

The FBI warned social media giants that "Russian disinformation about (either "a" or "Hunter's") laptop was going to be coming out", and that's why NYPost got banned from Twitter. 

The "50 Dem lackeys who worked in the intelligence services before they became traitors" were following the FBI's cue.

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There were 2 acquittals in the Whitmer case and 7 GUILTY, yet he presents it was illegitimate

After those two were acquitted based on their entrapment defence, the evidence from their trial wasn't allowed to be brought up in the subsequent trials: https://www.foxnews.com/us/judge-retrial-whitmer-kidnapping-plot-suspects-jury-cant-hear-acquittals-fbi-informant-texts

"A federal judge handling the re-trial of two men charged in connection to an alleged kidnapping plot of Democratic Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer decided Tuesday that information about the first trial, the acquittals of two other men and text messages with an FBI informant cannot be included as part of the evidence presented before the jury during the second trial slated to begin next month." 

 

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Michigan AG wants to seal evidence defendant in Gov. Whitmer kidnap plot threatened to expose

Why does the AG need to keep the FBI's dirty secrets? 

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This would include secret undercover FBI agent and informant audio recordings, videos, photos, text messages and much more.

“This case and the related state and federal cases have received national and international media attention, and as a result, it may be difficult to find jurors who have not experienced any exposure to this case,” Nessel’s motion reads. “Additionally, a local freelance reporter recently interviewed” a defendant in the case who “agreed to provide the reporter with the entirety of the discovery materials the (attorney general) provided the defense.”

No expense was spared to stop jurors in the subsequent trials from getting access to all of the relevant facts. The FBI and AG needed results, not a fair trial.

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The FBI has good cause to investigate the Trump campaign for Russian collusion --

They had Hillary's lies about Alfa Bank, they had Hillary's disgusting prank of a dossier, they had false corroboration of the dossier because the guy who created the dossier went around spreading rumours about it (the FBI presented that dossier as 'independently corroborated' for that reason, but they knew it wasn't: that's just another example of an FBI lie to the FISA court), of course they needed to investigate. They wanted to investigate. It was an insurance plan. 

The one thing that was weird was Manafort sharing polling data, but who knows, maybe he just needed to borrow money and he wanted to prove he was on the side that was winning. No one knows why he shared that and it's not a big deal. 

 

The fact is that you were completely chumped by the Russian collusion farce, just like you were on covid and every other news topic of the last 8 years.

Is the vax safe and effective? Is there a pandemic of the unvaxed? Why did covid deaths go up by 30% in Canada in 2022 after 85% of our population was jabbed, and why did the MSM stop talking about them at that point? Isn't 30% MORE DEATHS a BIGGER story? 

Buddy, you seriously need to ask yourself why ALL leftard narratives fall apart, and why you still get stooged by the next one every. single. time. without. fail.

Maybe the next time CNN/the Dems say "__________!!!!!!!!!!!!!" just wait a few weeks, see what's left after the dust settles, and then say "Dang, I'm sure glad I didn't get sucked in by that."

[Rebound]

43 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

Proven:

1)They were busted for entrapment in the Whitmer case but they released that story 1 month before the 2020 election so no one knew it was illegitimate at election time,

2) they were caught lying about the Hunter laptop to get stories about it banned from social media 1 month before the 2020 election, and

3) they committed actual crimes and lied thousands of times during the Russian collusion show trial.

4) Their Russian collusion report had 17 significant errors and omissions... so after 3 years and tens of millions of dollars they basically handed in a shitty Gr 9 book report and got an f- on it. 

FYI that's only a 'police force' to the same extent that the Gestapo were a police force. Once integrity is shot it doesn't just magically come back. 

None of that has anything to do with anything that Devon Archer told Congress. It has nothing to do with anything at all.  

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

The one thing that was weird was Manafort sharing polling data, but who knows, maybe he just needed to borrow money and he wanted to prove he was on the side that was winning. No one knows why he shared that and it's not a big deal. 

Maybe you don't know. Do you know about the Internet Research Agency which was hacking the DNC server and running an ARMY of trolls and bots to manipulate social media for Trump's advantage?

Here's a clue for you: private polling data was used to TARGET those trolls and bots to regions which would do the most good for Trump.

Of course you completely ignore the fact that Manafort was working for Putin puppet Yanukovych and oligarch Oleg Deripaska for YEARS.

IOW, NO ONE can trust your recount of events to be OBJECTIVE.

 

 

Edited August 8, 2023 by robosmith

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, myata said:

Did you forget charges and convictions in a democratic court of law? These are facts, objectively verifiable. Q.E.D. Misrepresentation etc you find the synonym until proven otherwise.

Did you forget that they were charged? Do you forget that they pleaded guilty? Did you forget that they were fired and demoted? Did you forget that it took years for them to be charged for those crimes? Did you forget that they were known to be doing those things for a long time and the MSM was ignoring it? Did you forget that most leftards don't even know that the FBI committed crimes? It's a HUGE deal that the FBI was exposed as a biased, criminal entity bent on influencing elections. 

All of the things I referenced are known to have happened. If you have chosen to remain ignorant this whole time, that's on you.

Your refusal to accept these things as serious because the Dems, FBI and their sycophant media refuse to accept them as serious is just an example of your stupidity/hypocrisy. The Nazis didn't take the crimes of the brownshirts and Gestapo seriously either. They thought that those crimes were justified.

By the same token, Kevin Clinesmith never even went to jail. He didn't lose his license to practice law. 

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

None of that has anything to do with anything that Devon Archer told Congress. It has nothing to do with anything at all.  

The criminal inclinations and bias of the FBI has become a side topic in this thread.

[myata]

12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Did you forget that they were charged?

Look you can't have an intelligent discussion, just not possible. You have a mission with a predetermined outcome and will keep throwing sh*t on the fan till something sticks. Your Clown Idol is a great master of the profession. Unfortunately as was commented the nature of the binary political system brings this kind of practice right to the fore of the attention and so it may become the standard at some point. And at that point the democracy will be gone, obviously.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, myata said:

Look you can't have an intelligent discussion, just not possible.

Oh my God, listen to you.

All that you do is deny, deny, deny and then when the proof is overwhelming you switch to snotty insults.

What's your understanding of the FBI's behaviour? Impeccable? Rotten to the core? 

Who has been convicted of a crime related to Russian collusion?

You can't count indictments, because the indictments were part of the show. They were like little rocks of meth scattered among the colluion junkies to keep them frothing at the mouth while in real time, there was nothing at all going on. Just a show. CNN tagging along when the FBI stormed Roger Stone's house was part of the show. Manafort getting convicted of old crimes, unrelated to collusion, was part of the show. Telling the world that the FBI was offering these guys reduced sentences did two things: 1) it gave the illusion that they had some collusion-related info to give to the FBI, 2) it gave those guys a chance to tell some lies which the American public was ready to believe no matter what.

Of all people, Cohen didn't even roll over. If anyone would rat out their buddies you'd think it would be him but even he had nothing to add. 

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You have a mission with a predetermined outcome and will keep throwing sh*t on the fan till something sticks.

I have facts which you just keep denying. 

Note that in all of this you can't point to anything and say "This is untrue and I have the proof!", you just keep whining and pretending. "Cowusion iz weel, Twump is a baddy, the FBI aw onlee good aw tha tiym! Thaow is no pwoof tha FBI comitid cwimes!"

Your act is old. Beave played that role for years and I thought that he was the last collusion delusion holdout but now there's you, like a Japanese fighter pilot jumping out of a bush on a deserted island. 

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Your Clown Idol is a great master of the profession. Unfortunately as was commented the nature of the binary political system brings this kind of practice right to the fore of the attention and so it may become the standard at some point. And at that point the democracy will be gone, obviously.

Buddy, democracy is gone when people like you accept crimes, bias, entrapment schemes used as election influencers, and lies from the FBI. And that's without even mentioning Epps, because no one knows who he was working for, but he was definitely an agent provocateur or he'd be the poster boy for Jan 6th sedition. 

You know all of the above actually happened but you can't find it in your wormy little soul to acknowledge any of it because doing so would cast you from your false moral high ground like a pebble from the top of a volcano. If you cared more about democracy than defending your handlers you'd sing an entirely different tune, but everything is about the vaunted party to you.