Devon Archer Transcript proves Joe had the Ukrainian prosecutor fired to help end the investigation into his son's energy firm Burisma

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

So someone who specializes in being a defendant for "white collar crimes" isn't involved in criminal defence then? Gawd you're stupid. Do you think Burisma was being investigated for murder?

It's not a good idea for a trump appointee to oversee his case, no. I never said that it was.

It would be even worse if it was a 4-year work colleague though.

Nope. Not at all. We're talking about a 4-yr office colleague of his. 

This case has huge repercussions for Hunter's crime syndicate. 

You don't even know what white collar crime is dumbass. Either that or you're lying again.

The question is, are you more of a liar than a dumbass? I dunno, if they were Olympic events you'd win both.

Burisma wasn't being investigated at all, per Shokin's staff, "dumbass." And no one was charged, so they certainly didn't need a defense attorney--and outside of conspiracy land, we already know why they were retained.

Shokin was controlled by Burisma, per Devon Archer. Shokin protected Burisma from the UK inquiry. 

You're pathetic conspiracy schtick has no power here, troll. Grown ups form opinions based on facts and evidence--and you have neither. Begone, back to Mommy's basement. 

Edited August 5, 2023 by Hodad

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, West said:

The fact we are even talking about which of Joe's treasonous behavior was "official Obama administration policy" and which was working in the interests of his sons energy company is exactly why I don't trust so called "moderate" politicians. 

 

The only people talking about that are you rabid conspiracy kooks. The interest of the US and our allies in replacing Shokin with someone who would fight corruption is well established and documented publicly. Biden simply got the job done. -- And again, per Devon Archer, that was against the interests of Burisma, who allegedly had significant control over Shokin -- and indeed, Shokin acted on their behalf.

So WTF are you still talking about unfounded, counterevidential speculation? 

[West]

4 minutes ago, Hodad said:

The only people talking about that are you rabid conspiracy kooks. The interest of the US and our allies in replacing Shokin with someone who would fight corruption is well established and documented publicly. Biden simply got the job done. -- And again, per Devon Archer, that was against the interests of Burisma, who allegedly had significant control over Shokin -- and indeed, Shokin acted on their behalf.

So WTF are you still talking about unfounded, counterevidential speculation? 

?... 

They paid the guy 84k per month for access to his father. This is confirmed. 

And now you are suggesting Burisma was actually a victim in this circumstance? 

You sure are roped in by the con artist illegally occupying the white house. Biden's nothing more than a mafia goon. 

Then again you all worship lawless imbeciles so not surprised you worship Biden and Hunter

Edited August 5, 2023 by West

[Hodad]

Just now, West said:

?... 

They paid the guy 84k per month for access to his father. This is confirmed. 

And now you are suggesting Burisma was actually a victim in this circumstance? 

You sure are roped in by the con artist illegally occupying the white house

False. What Devon Archer confirmed is that people hired Hunter in the hope he could get them access to high level politicians, including Joe Biden. He sold the hope or appearance of access. Which, frankly, is totally pervasive in all politics everywhere. 

But Archer ALSO confirmed that he had no knowledge of Joe Biden actually offering or providing help.

He also confirmed that he never heard Hunter and Joe talk business, but simply did small talk. Yes, there is business value in the hope or appearance of access, but it's not any compromise or cost to the American people.

There are emails between between Hunter and Archer in which Hunter says, in essence, we need to make it sound like my dad can help, but I can't actually get him to do things. 

Devon Archer was about as good a character reference for Joe Biden as one could hope for. 

So, again, WTF are you on about? Drop the conspiracy speculation and worry about it when there is any evidence to support it.

[West]

8 minutes ago, Hodad said:

False. What Devon Archer confirmed is that people hired Hunter in the hope he could get them access to high level politicians, including Joe Biden. He sold the hope or appearance of access. Which, frankly, is totally pervasive in all politics everywhere. 

But Archer ALSO confirmed that he had no knowledge of Joe Biden actually offering or providing help.

He also confirmed that he never heard Hunter and Joe talk business, but simply did small talk. Yes, there is business value in the hope or appearance of access, but it's not any compromise or cost to the American people.

There are emails between between Hunter and Archer in which Hunter says, in essence, we need to make it sound like my dad can help, but I can't actually get him to do things. 

Devon Archer was about as good a character reference for Joe Biden as one could hope for. 

So, again, WTF are you on about? Drop the conspiracy speculation and worry about it when there is any evidence to support it.

... and he did... he got burisma executives multiple phone calls and at least one luncheon with the sitting vice president... who then did the dirty work of withholding loans in exchange for a very specific request of firing the prosecutor freezing assets of their executives. 

Right but Archer confirms he knows that Burisma was asking for phone calls regularly with Joe Biden and were receiving them. Much different than the LIE you folks have been peddling that Joe had no contact... 

And you are gonna tell me with a straight face the honest one is the guy making 84k and his father? 

Edited August 5, 2023 by West

[Hodad]

15 minutes ago, West said:

... and he did... he got burisma executives multiple phone calls and at least one luncheon with the sitting vice president... who then did the dirty work of withholding loans in exchange for a very specific request of firing the prosecutor freezing assets of their executives. 

Right but Archer confirms he knows that Burisma was asking for phone calls regularly with Joe Biden and were receiving them. Much different than the LIE you folks have been peddling that Joe had no contact... 

And you are gonna tell me with a straight face the honest one is the guy making 84k and his father? 

False. False. False. Again, Shokin was fired because he wouldn't fight corruption. He wasn't freezing assets, he was helping to block investigations and unfreeze assets. 

This has been well documented for years, but you continue to say the opposite. "Hunter Biden had joined the board of Burisma in April 2014, the same month that British officials froze Zlochevsky’s London bank accounts containing $23 million. Britain’s Serious Fraud Office, an independent government agency, was conducting a money-laundering investigation and refused to allow Zlochevsky or Burisma Holdings, the company’s chief legal officer, and another company owned by Zlochevsky access to the accounts.

But the British money-laundering investigation was stymied by Ukrainian prosecutors’ refusal to cooperate. The Ukrainian prosecutors would not turn over documents needed in the British investigation, and without that documentary evidence, a British court ordered Britain’s Serious Fraud Office to unfreeze the assets."

That's when the US and allies decided that Shokin had to go, leading to the eventual Biden ultimatum.

^^ This is also the relationship that Archer explained, with Burisma controlling corrupt Shokin to work on their behalf.

If Burisma gets confidence from listening to Joe and Hunter shoot the shit, no harm done. Biden still acted against Burisma and in the interest of the US and it's allies.

Edited August 5, 2023 by Hodad

[West]

11 minutes ago, Hodad said:

False. False. False. Again, Shokin was fired because he wouldn't fight corruption. He wasn't freezing assets, he was helping to block investigations and unfreeze assets. 

This has been well documented for years, but you continue to say the opposite. "Hunter Biden had joined the board of Burisma in April 2014, the same month that British officials froze Zlochevsky’s London bank accounts containing $23 million. Britain’s Serious Fraud Office, an independent government agency, was conducting a money-laundering investigation and refused to allow Zlochevsky or Burisma Holdings, the company’s chief legal officer, and another company owned by Zlochevsky access to the accounts.

But the British money-laundering investigation was stymied by Ukrainian prosecutors’ refusal to cooperate. The Ukrainian prosecutors would not turn over documents needed in the British investigation, and without that documentary evidence, a British court ordered Britain’s Serious Fraud Office to unfreeze the assets."

That's when the US and allies decided that Shokin had to go, leading to the eventual Biden ultimatum.

^^ This is also the relationship that Archer explained, with Burisma controlling corrupt Shokin to work on their behalf.

If Burisma gets confidence from listening to Joe and Hunter shoot the shit, no harm done. Biden still acted against Burisma and in the interest of the US and it's allies.

?.. 

You are buying into the lies of a crooked man. Or just a troll. Either way a sick man who tolerates corruption

[Hodad]

19 minutes ago, West said:

?.. 

You are buying into the lies of a crooked man. Or just a troll. Either way a sick man who tolerates corruption

What crooked man? Devon Archer, who you were happy to quote when you thought his testimony supported you conspiracy theory? Lol

[West]

12 minutes ago, Hodad said:

What crooked man? Devon Archer, who you were happy to quote when you thought his testimony supported you conspiracy theory? Lol

The man who's son was paid 84k so that Burisma executives could talk about the weather ?

[Hodad]

17 minutes ago, West said:

The man who's son was paid 84k so that Burisma executives could talk about the weather ?

I don't have to believe Joe Biden at all. Hence, why In not quoting Joe Biden.

In fact, you don't have to believe any Individual.

Instead, it's easy to look at the facts in evidence. It's a fact that Shokin's team refused to help the UK investigate Burisma, protecting the company. It's a fact that the US and its allies wanted to oust the corrupt Shokin. It's a fact that the people of Ukraine wanted to oust Shokin. It's a fact that Biden's Ukraine trip and purpose were publicly announced weeks before Hunter called "D.C." And it's a fact that Biden effectively executed on the US policy objectives, against Burisma's protector.

It's also a fact that some fools think that all of this national and international effort was some sort of cover to help Hunter Biden make what is, in the scheme of things, a relatively modest salary. Note that I do not claim that Hunter was worth that salary without his last name and the appearance of influence. But it's also not that much money--certainly not enough to merit an international conspiracy at the highest levels of multiple governments.

Like, take pause and think about how absurd that accusation is. Get real.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Burisma wasn't being investigated at all, per Shokin's staff, "dumbass." And no one was charged, so they certainly didn't need a defense attorney--and outside of conspiracy land, we already know why they were retained.

Was the Burisma investigation dormant now, or were they never investigated by Shokin at all? You guys need to get your stories straight. 

Here's what people in Ukraine said: https://nypost.com/2023/07/20/biden-bribe-file-released-burisma-chief-said-both-joe-and-hunter-involved/

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According to Zlochevsky, the recordings and other evidence showed he was “somehow coerced into paying the Bidens to ensure Ukraine Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin was fired,” the FBI source added.

And there's also Archer:

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Mykola Zlochevsky, the owner of Burisma, and Vadym Pozharski, a Burisma executive, wanted to get Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin fired as he was investigating the company for corruption, Archer told members of Congress.

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Mykola Zlochevsky, the owner of natural gas company Burisma Holdings, told the FBI informant in 2016 while meeting at a coffee shop in Vienna, Austria, that “it cost 5 [million] to pay one Biden, and 5 [million] to another Biden,” according to the redacted FD-1023 form.

It seems like the key players in Ukraine believe one thing, and leftard m0r0ns who read CNN believe something else. That's a shocker.

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“Zlochevsky made some comment that although Hunter Biden ‘was stupid, and his (Zlochevsky’s) dog was smarter,’ Zlochevsky needed to keep Hunter Biden (on Burisma’s board) ‘so everything will be okay,’” the June 2020 document says. 

Zlockevsky said that his dog was smarter than Hunter, and Joe Biden said that Hunter is the smartest person he knows. Sadly it's possible for both of those things to be true.

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Shokin was controlled by Burisma, per Devon Archer.

That's the opposite of what Archer said in the quotes that I've seen. Where is your cite for that?

Let me guess: you saw it on CNN ?

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Shokin protected Burisma from the UK inquiry. 

Cite?

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You're pathetic conspiracy schtick has no power here, troll. Grown ups form opinions based on facts and evidence--and you have neither. Begone, back to Mommy's basement. 

You're the one with no cites, just quotes from your own ass, and the key players who were over in Ukraine all disagree with you.

Even Hunter Biden admitted that all of his lucrative jobs came to him because of who his dad is.

Here's are some questions for you, genius:

1) why do you think it mattered to Burisma who Hunter's dad was? 

2) Why did Shokin get fired at Joe's behest if Shokin was protecting Burisma, as you claim? Did Burisma make a huge mistake when they hired Hunter?

3) Why did the investigation get closed by "the solid guy" that Joe unilaterally selected? 

4) Why was Joe so adamant that he "had no knowledge of Hunter's overseas business dealings"? Why did he feel compelled to lie directly about it on TV so many times? Now that we know that Joe was actually on conference calls with Burisma executives, so it wasn't a small lie it was a epic lie, with serious implications.

What do you think about his lies about "not knowing were his son worked"? If you got a job making $80k/mo would you tell your parents?   

Those things don't exactly add up, do they, Einstein?

"Pathetic conspiracy schtick" ? That's what leftards say when they're trying to bully someone off a topic. GFYS loser, I'm not going to be bullied by a low-IQ liar/CNN sycophant. 

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, West said:

I have given you Archer's full interview and even provided you QUOTES HE MADE. 

Why you continue to support the Biden criminal enterprise.. cult like behavior. 

Archer specifically SAID he has NO KNOWLEDGE or wrongdoing BY JOE. You forgot to quote THAT. Duh

[West]

4 minutes ago, Hodad said:

I don't have to believe Joe Biden at all. Hence, why In not quoting Joe Biden.

In fact, you don't have to believe any Individual.

Instead, it's easy to look at the facts in evidence. It's a fact that Shokin's team refused to help the UK investigate Burisma, protecting the company. It's a fact that the US and its allies wanted to oust the corrupt Shokin. It's a fact that the people of Ukraine wanted to oust Shokin. It's a fact that Biden's Ukraine trip and purpose were publicly announced weeks before Hunter called "D.C." And it's a fact that Biden effectively executed on the US policy objectives, against Burisma's protector.

It's also a fact that some fools think that all of this national and international effort was some sort of cover to help Hunter Biden make what is, in the scheme of things, a relatively modest salary. Note that I do not claim that Hunter was worth that salary without his last name and the appearance of influence. But it's also not that much money--certainly not enough to merit an international conspiracy at the highest levels of multiple governments.

Like, take pause and think about how absurd that accusation is. Get real.

Shokin had frozen a substantial amount of the assets of the Burisma executives. 

You are once again being intentionally deceptive. 

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, West said:

The fact we are even talking about which of Joe's treasonous behavior was "official Obama administration policy" and which was working in the interests of his sons energy company is exactly why I don't trust so called "moderate" politicians. 

 

It was NOT "treasonous" to put anti-corruption conditions on loan guarantees.

That was serving US INTERESTS. Duh.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, West said:

... and he did... he got burisma executives multiple phone calls and at least one luncheon with the sitting vice president...

And don't forget, Joe Biden vehemently denied any knowledge of where Hunter was even working overseas. Not just in Ukraine, but in China.

During the beginning of Trump's presidency the whole leftard world firmly believed that Joe was oblivious to where Hunter was working, then the photo of Hunter, Archer, and "the big guy" appeared out of nowhere. Now we're at a whole other level of understanding just how well Joe was aware of what Hunter was doing. 

Myata and Hodad will no doubt try to make the case that "Joe could have had a bunch of conference calls with Burisma execs while Hunter was on the board there without ever finding out that Hunter worked there" ?

Hodad could look at pictures of Hunter, his dad, Zlochevskiy, Archer and Chutcon having 'dinner' together and still believe that none of them knew each other. Oh, his sister wasn't there but she did shower with her dad earlier that day. 

[West]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Was the Burisma investigation dormant now, or were they never investigated by Shokin at all? You guys need to get your stories straight. 

Here's what people in Ukraine said: https://nypost.com/2023/07/20/biden-bribe-file-released-burisma-chief-said-both-joe-and-hunter-involved/

And there's also Archer:

It seems like the key players in Ukraine believe one thing, and leftard m0r0ns who read CNN believe something else. That's a shocker.

Zlockevsky said that his dog was smarter than Hunter, and Joe Biden said that Hunter is the smartest person he knows. Sadly it's possible for both of those things to be true.

That's the opposite of what Archer said in the quotes that I've seen. Where is your cite for that?

Let me guess: you saw it on CNN ?

Cite?

You're the one with no cites, just quotes from your own ass, and the key players who were over in Ukraine all disagree with you.

Even Hunter Biden admitted that all of his lucrative jobs came to him because of who his dad is.

Here's are some questions for you, genius:

1) why do you think it mattered to Burisma who Hunter's dad was? 

2) Why did Shokin get fired at Joe's behest if Shokin was protecting Burisma, as you claim? Did Burisma make a huge mistake when they hired Hunter?

3) Why did the investigation get closed by "the solid guy" that Joe unilaterally selected? 

4) Why was Joe so adamant that he "had no knowledge of Hunter's overseas business dealings"? Why did he feel compelled to lie directly about it on TV so many times? Now that we know that Joe was actually on conference calls with Burisma executives, so it wasn't a small lie it was a epic lie, with serious implications.

What do you think about his lies about "not knowing were his son worked"? If you got a job making $80k/mo would you tell your parents?   

Those things don't exactly add up, do they, Einstein?

"Pathetic conspiracy schtick" ? That's what leftards say when they're trying to bully someone off a topic. GFYS loser, I'm not going to be bullied by a low-IQ liar/CNN sycophant. 

Now their defense is that Joe actually wanted shokin fired for not investigating his sons company.. 

Again, I don't think the guy reviewing 84k per month and described as selling access is the one who's the white knight in this scenario lol

These guys sound like the scientology lunatics 

[West]

5 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It was NOT "treasonous" to put anti-corruption conditions on loan guarantees.

That was serving US INTERESTS. Duh.

Lol.. 

Anti corruption conditions.. that's what you are calling selling bribes now?

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

And don't forget, Joe Biden vehemently denied any knowledge of where Hunter was even working overseas. Not just in Ukraine, but in China.

During the beginning of Trump's presidency the whole leftard world firmly believed that Joe was oblivious to where Hunter was working, then the photo of Hunter, Archer, and "the big guy" appeared out of nowhere. Now we're at a whole other level of understanding just how well Joe was aware of what Hunter was doing. 

Myata and Hodad will no doubt try to make the case that "Joe could have had a bunch of conference calls with Burisma execs while Hunter was on the board there without ever finding out that Hunter worked there" ?

Hodad could look at pictures of Hunter, his dad, Zlochevskiy, Archer and Chutcon having 'dinner' together and still believe that none of them knew each other. Oh, his sister wasn't there but she did shower with her dad earlier that day. 

Yeah. 

Now they are trying to convince you selling access isn't corrupt and those looking at it are the ones who are corrupt lol

Scientology lunatics

[Hodad]

15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Was the Burisma investigation dormant now, or were they never investigated by Shokin at all? You guys need to get your stories straight. 

Here's what people in Ukraine said: https://nypost.com/2023/07/20/biden-bribe-file-released-burisma-chief-said-both-joe-and-hunter-involved/

And there's also Archer:

It seems like the key players in Ukraine believe one thing, and leftard m0r0ns who read CNN believe something else. That's a shocker.

Zlockevsky said that his dog was smarter than Hunter, and Joe Biden said that Hunter is the smartest person he knows. Sadly it's possible for both of those things to be true.

That's the opposite of what Archer said in the quotes that I've seen. Where is your cite for that?

Let me guess: you saw it on CNN ?

Cite?

You're the one with no cites, just quotes from your own ass, and the key players who were over in Ukraine all disagree with you.

Even Hunter Biden admitted that all of his lucrative jobs came to him because of who his dad is.

Here's are some questions for you, genius:

1) why do you think it mattered to Burisma who Hunter's dad was? 

2) Why did Shokin get fired at Joe's behest if Shokin was protecting Burisma, as you claim? Did Burisma make a huge mistake when they hired Hunter?

3) Why did the investigation get closed by "the solid guy" that Joe unilaterally selected? 

4) Why was Joe so adamant that he "had no knowledge of Hunter's overseas business dealings"? Why did he feel compelled to lie directly about it on TV so many times? Now that we know that Joe was actually on conference calls with Burisma executives, so it wasn't a small lie it was a epic lie, with serious implications.

What do you think about his lies about "not knowing were his son worked"? If you got a job making $80k/mo would you tell your parents?   

Those things don't exactly add up, do they, Einstein?

"Pathetic conspiracy schtick" ? That's what leftards say when they're trying to bully someone off a topic. GFYS loser, I'm not going to be bullied by a low-IQ liar/CNN sycophant. 

It's already been quoted, cited, and linked in this thread, jackass. Just read the thread--or better yet, read the farking transcript instead of talking about what Republicans said on Fox. 

Yes, Burisma did make a mistake hiring Hunter with an expectation that he could influence his father or other powerful politicians. They got chats about the weather and their buddy Shokin still got canned. Not a great investment.

And don't kid yourself, you may seem super smart in the context of conspiracy cliques you frequent, but the poor reasoning and failures of logic tell the real story. Your IQ is 125 at best. You're in no position to throw stones at anyone.

Edited August 5, 2023 by Hodad

[robosmith]

17 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Was the Burisma investigation dormant now, or were they never investigated by Shokin at all? You guys need to get your stories straight. 

Here's what people in Ukraine said: https://nypost.com/2023/07/20/biden-bribe-file-released-burisma-chief-said-both-joe-and-hunter-involved/

And there's also Archer:

It seems like the key players in Ukraine believe one thing, and leftard m0r0ns who read CNN believe something else. That's a shocker.

Zlockevsky said that his dog was smarter than Hunter, and Joe Biden said that Hunter is the smartest person he knows. Sadly it's possible for both of those things to be true.

That's the opposite of what Archer said in the quotes that I've seen. Where is your cite for that?

Let me guess: you saw it on CNN ?

Cite?

You're the one with no cites, just quotes from your own ass, and the key players who were over in Ukraine all disagree with you.

Even Hunter Biden admitted that all of his lucrative jobs came to him because of who his dad is.

Here's are some questions for you, genius:

1) why do you think it mattered to Burisma who Hunter's dad was? 

2) Why did Shokin get fired at Joe's behest if Shokin was protecting Burisma, as you claim? Did Burisma make a huge mistake when they hired Hunter?

3) Why did the investigation get closed by "the solid guy" that Joe unilaterally selected? 

4) Why was Joe so adamant that he "had no knowledge of Hunter's overseas business dealings"? Why did he feel compelled to lie directly about it on TV so many times? Now that we know that Joe was actually on conference calls with Burisma executives, so it wasn't a small lie it was a epic lie, with serious implications.

What do you think about his lies about "not knowing were his son worked"? If you got a job making $80k/mo would you tell your parents?   

Those things don't exactly add up, do they, Einstein?

"Pathetic conspiracy schtick" ? That's what leftards say when they're trying to bully someone off a topic. GFYS loser, I'm not going to be bullied by a low-IQ liar/CNN sycophant. 

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What is the fd1023 form?

 

 

As many of you know, the FD-1023 is the form our special agents use to record raw, unverified reporting from confidential human sources (CHSs).

"RAW UNVERIFIED" is NOT EVIDENCE.

[West]

6 minutes ago, Hodad said:

It's already been quoted, cited, and linked in this thread, jackass. Just read the thread--or better yet, read the farking transcript instead of talking about what Republicans said on Fox. 

Yes, Burisma did make a mistake hiring Hunter with an expectation that he could influence his father or other powerful politicians. They got chats about the weather and their buddy Shokin still got canned. Not a great investment.

And don't kid yourself, you may seem super smart in the context of conspiracy cliques you frequent, but the poor reasoning and failures of logic tell the real story. Your IQ is 125 at best. You're in no position to throw stones at anyone.

He did influence his father. They got multiple meetings and phone calls. 

Its not normal for you to call your daddy who is vice president to run interference for your business. 

 

[robosmith]

8 minutes ago, West said:

Lol.. 

Anti corruption conditions.. that's what you are calling selling bribes now?

 

No that's what YOU are calling it. Duh 

Too bad there is NO EVIDENCE of "selling bribes" to Joe,

Again, Archer said he had NO KNOWLEDGE of wrongdoing by Joe. 

We know why you KEEP IGNOREING that. ?

[West]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

No that's what YOU are calling it. Duh 

Too bad there is NO EVIDENCE of "selling bribes" to Joe,

Again, Archer said he had NO KNOWLEDGE of wrongdoing by Joe. 

We know why you KEEP IGNOREING that. ?

... he made 84k per month and his role in the company was to sell access... 

.. your corrupt leader isn't the hero in this situation...

[West]

The only "conspiracy crap" is people claiming that a salary of 84k monthly (hardly a "modest" salary ?) got the burisma folks some conversation about the weather. 

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, Hodad said:

It's already been quoted, cited, and linked in this thread, jackass.

Dude, I have your posts blocked for good reason. You propagate CNN's lies 24'7 and you never admit when you're wrong.

I'm not goona click "show this post" 25 times and read through all your drivel, and I'm definitely not clicking on robotard's posts either.

All I see here is your counterintuitive claims, with no cites at all to back them. 

Do you think that you can say something like "Burisma controlled Shokin" or "Shokin protected Burisma from the UK inquiry" without a cite? 

You get that those things are completely contrary to every other shred of evidence in this whole sad saga, right? 

Why would Joe Biden get rid of Shokin if he was making things cushy for Hunter? And if Joe was so legit that he fired Shokin, risking his kid's extremely lucrative job, then why did he feel like he needed to lie so forcefully, saying that he knew nothing about Hunter's Burisma job? 

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Yes, Burisma did make a mistake hiring Hunter with an expectation that he could influence his father or other powerful politicians. They got chats about the weather and their buddy Shokin still got canned. Not a great investment.

Zlochevskiy wanted Shokin canned. That's from your own vaunted FBI. He paid the Bidens richly. Again, from your beloved FBI.

We used to think that Hunter made $30K a month there, now it's up to over $80k/mo. 

The timeline goes like this: Hunter was hired for $83k/mo --> Shokin was canned --> Joe's "solid guy" was appointed-->  charges against Zlochevskiy were dropped and he was able to come back to Ukraine. Those are all undisputed facts.

Joe vehemently denied any knowledge of Hunter's job at Burisma, and now we know he was lying. Again, undisputed. 

There are claims out there by both Archer and an FBI informant that Zlochevskiy wanted Shokin fired. It's undisputed that they at least made those claims, and that's cited recently in this thread.

All of those undisputed facts point to the elephant in the room. 

The only fly in the ointment is your claim that there's a cite in this thread that somehow proves "Burisma owned Shokin". Can you kindly refresh that? 

[West]

21 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Dude, I have your posts blocked for good reason. You propagate CNN's lies 24'7 and you never admit when you're wrong.

I'm not goona click "show this post" 25 times and read through all your drivel, and I'm definitely not clicking on robotard's posts either.

All I see here is your counterintuitive claims, with no cites at all to back them. 

Do you think that you can say something like "Burisma controlled Shokin" or "Shokin protected Burisma from the UK inquiry" without a cite? 

You get that those things are completely contrary to every other shred of evidence in this whole sad saga, right? 

Why would Joe Biden get rid of Shokin if he was making things cushy for Hunter? And if Joe was so legit that he fired Shokin, risking his kid's extremely lucrative job, then why did he feel like he needed to lie so forcefully, saying that he knew nothing about Hunter's Burisma job? 

Zlochevskiy wanted Shokin canned. That's from your own vaunted FBI. He paid the Bidens richly. Again, from your beloved FBI.

We used to think that Hunter made $30K a month there, now it's up to over $80k/mo. 

The timeline goes like this: Hunter was hired for $83k/mo --> Shokin was canned --> Joe's "solid guy" was appointed-->  charges against Zlochevskiy were dropped and he was able to come back to Ukraine. Those are all undisputed facts.

Joe vehemently denied any knowledge of Hunter's job at Burisma, and now we know he was lying. Again, undisputed. 

There are claims out there by both Archer and an FBI informant that Zlochevskiy wanted Shokin fired. It's undisputed that they at least made those claims, and that's cited recently in this thread.

All of those undisputed facts point to the elephant in the room. 

The only fly in the ointment is your claim that there's a cite in this thread that somehow proves "Burisma owned Shokin". Can you kindly refresh that? 

He claims this is because some folks in the EU wanted this guy canned too... while ignoring the fact that Burisma loaded up their board with people like Hunter, including the former president of Poland, with similar ties in Europe. 

This isn't "Russian disinfo". I have no use for Russia either... doesn't mean Joe's a good guy

They hide behind this anti corruption bs.. only people it seems to be fooling are Democrat cult members. 

Edited August 5, 2023 by West