August1991 Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 Call me a Chinese or Russian Quisling. I don't care. We Canadians get along. Swedes may avoid terrible civil wars, we Canadians get our hands dirty - and not only stop wars, we avoid them. Ah, the Norwegian 1905 referendum. ====== Now is the time for Canada to leave NATO, and change the world. Quote
OftenWrong Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 Maybe thay's how it was, maybe how it should be, but Justin Trudeau just gave Zelenski $500 Million of our hard-earned bucks. In case you were not paying attention. https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6871411 The Canada you admire does not exist anymore. Is just an idealistic dream that can't function, due to reality. 2 Quote
myata Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 Sure Justine will just look in Putin's and Xi's eyes and they'll go hand in hand pick up daisies in the rosy picture universe. Sure that's the message of Putin's KGB that is no surprise at all given the extremely tight cornet he singlehandedly drove himself and his country in a matter of months, complete with a military coup attempt. But who else could be... trying to find a mild term... OK brainless enough to buy into the happy adage? Is it even possible, with low to medium level intelligent species? 1 Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Nationalist Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 6 hours ago, August1991 said: Now is the time for Canada to leave NATO Agreed. 1 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Queenmandy85 Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) Article 5 is Canada's best defence against invasion. NATO is essential to our defence. I remember when the NDP policy convention voted to withdraw from NATO, the leader, Ed Broadbent called the idea "Nuts." I am surprised that Nationalist would be supporting the NDP. "Ah, the Norwegian 1905 referendum." Suten a Mai. Take, min venn. Edited June 30, 2023 by Queenmandy85 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
eyeball Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) It's just about impossible for me to worry about our defence in the face of so much climate inaction in the world. There is only one direction from which we'll be invaded and we could build a couple big old dirty nukes to deter that at a fraction of 2% of GDP. My argument mirrors the one climate change inactivists use. There's bugger all Canada can do to militarily make the world a better place so why bother? Edited June 30, 2023 by eyeball 2 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Queenmandy85 Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, eyeball said: It's just about impossible for me to worry about our defence in the face of so much climate inaction in the world. There is only one direction from which we'll be invaded and we could build a couple big old dirty nukes to deter that at a fraction of 2% of GDP. My argument mirrors the one climate change inactivists use. There's bugger all Canada can do to militarily make the world a better place so why bother? Actually, there is a lot we can do. We just don't feel motivated to do it. Canadians like the idea of support for the Canadian Forces, but they don't want to pay for it. I like your idea of the nukes. We could build and deploy several of them in a matter of months, if not weeks, and cheap. I like those mud guards with Yosemite Sam saying, "Back Off!" Edited June 30, 2023 by Queenmandy85 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
WestCanMan Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 30 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: Article 5 is Canada's best defence against invasion. NATO is essential to our defence. I remember when the NDP policy convention voted to withdraw from NATO, the leader, Ed Broadbent called the idea "Nuts." I am surprised that Nationalist would be supporting the NDP. "Ah, the Norwegian 1905 referendum." Suten a Mai. Take, min venn. We joined NATO and supported NATO all these years as a defensive pact and it's no longer that. This is 1914 all over again and I'm not prepared for Zelenski to be the new Franz Ferdinand. If he gets killed then they should just throw his body on a pile with all the other world leaders who chose to put their people at war and forget about him. Canada needs to stay out of this Ukraine/Russia war, period. We shouldn't be giving them money or anything else. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
eyeball Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Queenmandy85 said: Actually, there is a lot we can do. We just don't feel motivated to do it. Canadians like the idea of support for the Canadian Forces, but they don't want to pay for it. I like your idea of the nukes. We could build and deploy them in a matter of months, if not weeks. I like those mud guards with Yosemite Sam saying, "Back Off!" We pretty much built the 4th largest army from scratch to fight WW2 once we became motivated. Sure there's lots we can do I just think Canadians just need better more realistic reasons. 2 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Queenmandy85 Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: We joined NATO and supported NATO all these years as a defensive pact and it's no longer that. This is 1914 all over again and I'm not prepared for Zelenski to be the new Franz Ferdinand. If he gets killed then they should just throw his body on a pile with all the other world leaders who chose to put their people at war and forget about him. Canada needs to stay out of this Ukraine/Russia war, period. We shouldn't be giving them money or anything else. It was Russia that started the war, not President Zelenskyy. When Ukraine gave up her nuclear weapons, Russia and the US guaranteed her sovereignty. It was Russia that invaded Ukraine. This is more like 1937, not 1914. Hitler occupied the Rhineland, then, when we let him get away with that, it was Czechoslovakia and finally Poland. The Moscow taxi driver in the Kremlin thought we wouldn't care about a free democratic Ukraine and wanted to show he was a big man. Not supporting Ukraine would have led to World War 3. Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
WestCanMan Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said: It was Russia that started the war, not President Zelenskyy. Zelensky started this war, stop playing stupid. You know that Russia could never accept NATO in Ukraine. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
Queenmandy85 Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 13 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Zelensky started this war, stop playing stupid. You know that Russia could never accept NATO in Ukraine. What Ukraine decides to do with its foreign policy is none of Russia's business. Your argument suggests those columns of Russian armour flowing into Ukraine were just tourists? Was that the same as the Russian soldiers invading Crimea in 2014? They were just sight seeing? 2 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
myata Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 What would be the "structure" though? Disarm yourself facing brutal aggressive dictators and smile? Any chance of anything more intelligent? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
WestCanMan Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: What Ukraine decides to do with its foreign policy is none of Russia's business. Your argument suggests those columns of Russian armour flowing into Ukraine were just tourists? Was that the same as the Russian soldiers invading Crimea in 2014? They were just sight seeing? Do you think that the US would let Canada join a "defensive pact" with NoKo, Russia, Iran and China that had an Article 5 clause in it? One that would allow them to park all manner of weapons systems here? We'd be history before the ink was dry, don't kid yourself. Again, you're just playing stupid. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
Queenmandy85 Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Do you think that the US would let Canada join a "defensive pact" with NoKo, Russia, Iran and China that had an Article 5 clause in it? One that would allow them to park all manner of weapons systems here? We'd be history before the ink was dry, don't kid yourself. Again, you're just playing stupid. That is what that Moscow taxi driver in the Kremlin thought about Ukraine and President Bush thought when he invaded Iraq . The point is, the Holodomor is still a fresh memory for Ukraine and they never want the Russians to do it again. What does Russia have to fear from NATO? Just as any attack on a NATO member would result in a nuclear war, so would an attack from NATO on Russia. Not only would there be no winners, there would be no survivors. Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
myata Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: US would let Canada join A l-ing check: Norway, Russia's neighbor is a founding member of NATO (1949). The Baltic states and Poland, neighbors of Russia or its satellite Belarus in NATO since early 2000. Not that it's Russia's business what country wants to join which defensive block. There's a reason a violent psycho on a rampage is surrounded by the police. And there's a reason why every Russia's neighbor that values independence and democracy wants to be in NATO. 1 Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
PIK Posted July 2, 2023 Report Posted July 2, 2023 On 6/30/2023 at 2:47 PM, WestCanMan said: Zelensky started this war, stop playing stupid. You know that Russia could never accept NATO in Ukraine. Putin started this a long time ago. Before NATO was ever mentioned. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
August1991 Posted July 3, 2023 Author Report Posted July 3, 2023 On 6/30/2023 at 12:21 PM, Queenmandy85 said: Article 5 is Canada's best defence against invasion. NATO is essential to our defence. In 1985 when Broadbent mattered, possibly. There is no reason for Canada to be part of NATO. ==== Defend ourselves against whom? Quote
August1991 Posted July 3, 2023 Author Report Posted July 3, 2023 On 6/30/2023 at 1:11 PM, Queenmandy85 said: It was Russia that started the war, not President Zelenskyy. When Ukraine gave up her nuclear weapons, Russia and the US guaranteed her sovereignty. It was Russia that invaded Ukraine. I understand your viewpoint. On 6/30/2023 at 1:11 PM, Queenmandy85 said: This is more like 1937, not 1914. Hitler occupied the Rhineland, then, when we let him get away with that, it was Czechoslovakia and finally Poland. The Moscow taxi driver in the Kremlin thought we wouldn't care about a free democratic Ukraine and wanted to show he was a big man. Not supporting Ukraine would have led to World War 3. Putin is no Hitler. Quote
Queenmandy85 Posted July 3, 2023 Report Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) 54 minutes ago, August1991 said: In 1985 when Broadbent mattered, possibly. There is no reason for Canada to be part of NATO. ==== Defend ourselves against whom? Interesting question. An interesting hypothetical scenario would be if one NATO member were invaded by another NATO member. Theoretically, Article V would come into play, but reality has its own rules. In the last 60 years, super powers have had disappointing success when it comes to trying to invade a TPLC. (Tin Pot Little Country). China was trounced by Viet Nam. The US was defeated by Viet Nam and Afganistan, Russia was kicked out of Afganistan. The purpose of NATO is deterrence. If someone attacks a NATO member, the invader will be at war with all NATO members. Edited July 3, 2023 by Queenmandy85 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
August1991 Posted July 3, 2023 Author Report Posted July 3, 2023 33 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: Interesting question. An interesting hypothetical scenario.... Disagree. The interesting scenario is what Pierre Trudeau would do now. ===== Trudeau Snr was wily. And his main idea was "create counterweights". Quote
August1991 Posted July 3, 2023 Author Report Posted July 3, 2023 In this world after the collapse of the Soviet Union, we don't need NATO. ====== This North American Treaty Organisation is a relic of the past. Quote
OftenWrong Posted July 3, 2023 Report Posted July 3, 2023 Pretty sure it stands for North Atlantic. But who am I to judge Quote
myata Posted July 3, 2023 Report Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, August1991 said: Defend ourselves against whom? Really, just look: only Putin cuties and Xi great smileys around, of a bucketful of good stuff free to pick up. No just drop this bad defense stuff and let's go pick up daisies and merry-go-around! Putin will figure it all out, he's such a cutie! ... is it an entry for the best f@cked up "thinking" contest? Edited July 3, 2023 by myata Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
WestCanMan Posted July 4, 2023 Report Posted July 4, 2023 On 6/30/2023 at 12:41 PM, Queenmandy85 said: That is what that Moscow taxi driver in the Kremlin thought about Ukraine and President Bush thought when he invaded Iraq . The point is, the Holodomor is still a fresh memory for Ukraine and they never want the Russians to do it again. What does Russia have to fear from NATO? Just as any attack on a NATO member would result in a nuclear war, so would an attack from NATO on Russia. Not only would there be no winners, there would be no survivors. A single mom in Portland who has 6 kids from different fathers thought that Putin started this war. What's your point? Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
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