Muslims and Christians unite on the streets of Ottawa, trampling the Gender Ideology Flag

[Americana Antifa]

1 hour ago, myata said:

There are many charts, how relevant are they though?

Do you not care about data?

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Removing a taboo isn't the same as promoting and pumping an idea into very young children without any clue of possible consequences.

What are the negative consequences of letting kids know that it's ok to be gay or trans?

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Glad we figured out that it’s at least your second iteration on here.  You want kids to buy into ideology that will confuse and damage them and tear the fabric of society. This isn’t progress. This is a dangerous experiment with irreversible consequences for vulnerable children.  I hope the lawsuits and charges abound against the adults who promoted doing this to kids.  It’s already happening.

Do you have any evidence that teaching kids it's ok to be gay or trans will confuse and damage them and tear the fabric of society?

[myata]

4 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Do you not care about data?

Sure, it would be great if the bandwagon gang studied the subject responsibly and carefully and had relevant data to support their policies.

5 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

What are the negative consequences of letting kids know that it's ok to be gay or trans?

Totally rearranging public washrooms and denying parents essential information in raising their child is a very mild way of putting it. Up to the highest level of incredibility. Impossibly naive or just l-ing?

Left has an interesting way of becoming totally deaf, the instant it wouldn't fit their agenda. What would be wrong with just letting them observe it and make their own opinions and decisions?

Up to puberty and even later children commonly still learn about sex and sexuality. Can an average child understand the idea before that age? Who has done the thinking, what are the reasons and responsible, thought through policies in the interests of the entire society not only political bandwagon march?

[Americana Antifa]

4 minutes ago, myata said:

Sure, it would be great if the bandwagon gang studied the subject responsibly and carefully and had relevant data to support their policies.

I don't know who the bandwagon gang is, but the data I presented backs up the argument I made.

4 minutes ago, myata said:

Totally rearranging public washrooms and denying parents essential information in raising their child is a very mild way of putting it. Up to the highest level of incredibility. Impossibly naive or just l-ing?

That wasn't the question. Once again, what are the negative consequences of letting kids know that it's ok to be gay or trans?

4 minutes ago, myata said:

Up to puberty and even later children commonly still learn about sex and sexuality. Can an average child understand the idea before that age?

Of course. Children see couples and marriages all over society. Young kids know that boys and girls like each other. They don't have a detailed understanding of sex, but they understand sexual orientation. 

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Do you not care about data?

What are the negative consequences of letting kids know that it's ok to be gay or trans?

Do you have any evidence that teaching kids it's ok to be gay or trans will confuse and damage them and tear the fabric of society?

Good, I knew you would play the data game, which is a clear loss on this topic.  There’s no reliable data regarding suicide rates because there’s a strong correlation between children who experience dysphoria and mental health problems generally.  In fact dysphoria is categorized as a mental disorder.  Keep in mind that the data does indicate that about 80% of children with dysphoria eventually outgrow it.  A number of these children are gay and there’s confusion about whether identity or same sex orientation are what’s being experienced.

Gay rights are established and no schools are allowed to accept gay or trans bashing.  Protecting these students is part of anti-bullying.  That’s very different from gender affirmation, which can have serious negative long term consequences.  Data is emerging to indicate this, which is why many countries are backing away from transition surgeries and blockers for kids.  Waiting until adulthood is more responsible.  Nevertheless, schools are using kid’s’ preferred names.  In an official name change, if requested by a student, parents would know and be involved.

The parents must have educational discretion over their children at elementary age or we leave major life choices with lasting consequences in the hands of educators and the state.  The consequences of that will be bad because it’s impossible to successfully argue that most parents are less interested in their kids’ well-being than other adults in their kids’ lives.  If the state disregards that fact, the government deserves harsh responses and there will be harsh responses.  The vast majority of Canadians, when polled, say this.

It’s one thing to allow and another to promote.  If Canadians feel that values are being promoted that run counter to their conscience and beliefs, they are well within their rights to oppose policies on many grounds.  I think it’s taken time for people to see what’s unfolding, but now that it’s getting clearer through imagery and rhetoric around Pride Month and related events, the tide of opinion is shifting against poorly thought-out policies, and it should.

[myata]

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

but the data I presented backs up the argument I made.

Yes, that kind of thinking. Apple argument to an orange conclusion.

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Once again, what are the negative consequences of letting kids know that it's ok to be gay or trans?

Letting know is fine. It began with letting know and should have stayed there at least until it was studied and we know much more about the problem and possible effects. There is psychological help at schools and that's where this belongs: calm, careful, private and individual counseling. But the bandwagon wouldn't stop there why? It's such a great banner to parade and distract from failures in the management of the country.

3 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

They don't have a detailed understanding of sex, but they understand sexual orientation. 

Having not figured out the full meaning of it yet, they can understand what a transitioning could mean for them and their future? Where? In the left fantasy world or in this reality?

At least in countries where legal system still works, their st-d ars-s should be sued off with multiple damages in case of any negative consequences. This is brain-dead simple: it's not about your banner but somebody's life. You don't have to mess with it, until there's a known and well understood reason to. And if you still do, you should be held liable and responsible for all outcomes.

[Americana Antifa]

4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Good, I knew you would play the data game, which is a clear loss on this topic.  There’s no reliable data regarding suicide rates because there’s a strong correlation between children who experience dysphoria and mental health problems generally.  

I didn't say anything about suicide.

I didn't bother reading the rest of your post because I'm guessing it had nothing to do with anything else I said.

4 hours ago, myata said:

Yes, that kind of thinking. Apple argument to an orange conclusion.

Are you drunk?

[I am Groot]

17 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

The number of trans youths spiking, the same thing happened when society became accepting of left-handedness and then again with homosexuality. In both cases, 

Not the same thing at all. We're not talking about pollsters here (however accurate pollsters were in the 1930s or 1940s). We're talking about psychiatric journals detailing incidents of gender dysmorphia among young people over the decades. Not to mention the number of people going to doctors wanting sex change operations. 

[CdnFox]

17 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

So the stories about kids coming home crying, I'd have to see some evidence of that.

The number of trans youths spiking, the same thing happened when society became accepting of left-handedness and then again with homosexuality. In both cases, the numbers spiked, then they leveled out. It's not that anyone was being groomed, it's that these people, who have always been there, were now out of the closet.

 

I have no doubt that the spike in trans youth will continue for a bit, then level out, just like every time something becomes socially accepted.

Nope.
We've already been over this one and it's a total myth.

The fact you have to repeat a lie after it's been proven to be a lie is pretty telling.

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Not the same thing at all. We're not talking about pollsters here (however accurate pollsters were in the 1930s or 1940s). We're talking about psychiatric journals detailing incidents of gender dysmorphia among young people over the decades. Not to mention the number of people going to doctors wanting sex change operations. 

And we've been over the left hand thing with her before. It's simply not accurate in the slightest when you dig into it and she's well aware of that.

But - she has to repeat the lie because it's all they've got

And even the doctors are sounding the warnings now.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/w5/dramatic-increase-in-children-and-youth-seeking-gender-treatments-has-some-experts-alarmed-1.5633076

Dramatic increase in children and youth seeking gender treatments has some experts alarmed

[myata]

People are programmable. What is new about that fact? They were like that from the times of herds of big apes or Adam pick more fitting. And if people, especially young children evolutionary conditioned to trust adults, especially in a position of trust hear the same message repeated to them multiple times, 80% or more will believe it, whether it's true or not.

We are screwed in Canada, can anyone see it too?

[Moonbox]

10 minutes ago, myata said:

We are screwed in Canada, can anyone see it too?

Nope.  Maybe lay off the doom-porn and do something productive/positive with your time.  

[myata]

3 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Nope.

Sure, no hope for you to wake up to the reality. More blue pills please!

[Army Guy]

On 6/13/2023 at 12:27 AM, Americana Antifa said:

Only in some cases, but it really shouldn't be.

And sex ed is very useful. Kids who get molested are much more likely to report it if they've had sex ed. That's the real reason conservatives are against it. And as for LGBT representation, also extremely important, as it lets queer kids know that it's ok to be queer despite the constant anti-queer propaganda in media.

Depends on the region. In rural areas, there's insane homophobia. Either way, it should be up to the student if they want to tell their parents what their sexual orientation is. It's not like this is a case of immediate danger.

Yes, this is the current culture war that the Right is pushing. But eventually it will stop working and the Right will invent phony outrage over something else, like they always do.

Here in Canada a parent has the right to pull their children from classes they do not approve of...and in high school children and parents actually pick what classes they are going to attend for the year... one does not need these classes to pass the year...

Sex ed is NOT the reasonability of the education department, It is a parents reasonability to ensure their children are educated in this matter, it is the parents that decided when and how much to expose them to...

Yes we know all conservatives are child molesters right... your argument is getting pretty weak right now...If queer kids need this class or education then fine give it to them....but, always a but, it should be a decision made by parents and children...not the school board...

This is not a culture war at all, as you make it out to be, these courses are not life skills, that one needs to get jobs... i have not meet an employer ask in a interview did you pass your mandatory LBGTQ courses.. nor are they required to continue education...your molestation excuse is a huge reach to make this available to everyone...and if that is a problem in your area, i would suggest moving schools, not taking sex ed...

[Dougie93]

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Here in Canada a parent has the right to pull their children from classes they do not approve of...

I don't see where that is written in the Constitution

in fact, the Education Act requires children ages 6 to 17 to be in school

which makes it a crime for a parent to pull their children from classes they do not approve of

warranting a case to be opened by the Children's Aid Society

and they will come right to your door with the police in attendance, make no mistake

there is no such thing as "parental rights" in Canada, it's nowhere to be seen in the Charter

Edited June 14, 2023 by Dougie93

[ironstone]

On 6/11/2023 at 12:45 AM, BeaverFever said:

Lol yeah look at all the gay terrorist attacks out there a straight person can barely leave their house and return home alive ?

The Pulse nightclub shooting?

The Nashville school shooting?

 

[Americana Antifa]

7 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Not the same thing at all. We're not talking about pollsters here (however accurate pollsters were in the 1930s or 1940s). We're talking about psychiatric journals detailing incidents of gender dysmorphia among young people over the decades. Not to mention the number of people going to doctors wanting sex change operations. 

Yeah, when being trans was super taboo, people who experienced gender dysphoria kept those feelings to themselves. Now, because most people support trans rights, people feel more comfortable admitting that they have gender dysphoria. Again, this always happens when something becomes socially accepted. 

[Americana Antifa]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Nope.
We've already been over this one and it's a total myth.

The fact you have to repeat a lie after it's been proven to be a lie is pretty telling.

How is it a myth? The data is backing up what I said. Left-handedness increased when it became socially acceptable, continued increasing for a bit, then leveled out. U mad?

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Again, this always happens when something becomes socially accepted. 

Teens are also trend followers. This is where the danger lies, when you push a narrative, and disregard the unintended consequence.

Its a mental illness. 

[Americana Antifa]

6 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Here in Canada a parent has the right to pull their children from classes they do not approve of...and in high school children and parents actually pick what classes they are going to attend for the year... one does not need these classes to pass the year...

That's a shame. Kids are going to be deprived of a good education because of their stupid parents.

6 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Sex ed is NOT the reasonability of the education department, It is a parents reasonability to ensure their children are educated in this matter, it is the parents that decided when and how much to expose them to...

What if it's the parent that is sexually abusing them? Should we also not teach kids that it's not ok if their parent beats them?

6 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Yes we know all conservatives are child molesters right.

Certainly seems that way. Conservatives support policies that protect child molesters. They also don't stop supporting politicians who get caught molesting kids. Some of the biggest right-wing pundits, like Matt Walsh and Dennis Prager, don't believe in consent. Republicans also block every bill proposed that would end child marriages.

So yeah, seems like pedocon theory is real.

6 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Teens are also trend followers. This is where the danger lies, when you push a narrative, and disregard the unintended consequence.

Its a mental illness. 

Explain to me why the Right was incorrect when they said this about gay people, but correct now that they're saying it about trans people.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

Yeah, when being trans was super taboo, people who experienced gender dysphoria kept those feelings to themselves. Now, because most people support trans rights, people feel more comfortable admitting that they have gender dysphoria. Again, this always happens when something becomes socially accepted. 

No

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

That's a shame. Kids are going to be deprived of a good education because of their stupid parents.

What if it's the parent that is sexually abusing them? Should we also not teach kids that it's not ok if their parent beats them?

Certainly seems that way. Conservatives support policies that protect child molesters. They also don't stop supporting politicians who get caught molesting kids. Some of the biggest right-wing pundits, like Matt Walsh and Dennis Prager, don't believe in consent. Republicans also block every bill proposed that would end child marriages.

So yeah, seems like pedocon theory is real.

Explain to me why the Right was incorrect when they said this about gay people, but correct now that they're saying it about trans people.

Okay I think we’ve had quite enough and it’s time to remove these terrible so called rights that are trampling far more people’s rights and destroying children and families.  This LGBTQ2S+ ideology is being rammed down parents’ throats and sexualizing children.  It’s pure grooming and it’s pure evil.  Keep this sick and destructive indoctrination out of all child education, certainly at the elementary level, but actually in high school too.  The state is pushing alternative sexual lifestyles and non-biological genders on kids, violating multiple rights.  The Pride flag is clearly a hate symbol.  Families should and are pushing back to protect their kids from this.

[Moonbox]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Okay I think we’ve had quite enough and it’s time to remove these terrible so called rights that are trampling far more people’s rights and destroying children and families.  

DESTROYING CHILDREN AND FAMILIES!

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

This LGBTQ2S+ ideology is being rammed down parents’ throats and sexualizing children.  It’s pure grooming and it’s pure evil.  

PURE EVIL

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The Pride flag is clearly a hate symbol. 

The cherry on top for what will undoubtedly end up being a top contender for dumbest post of 2023.  

[Zeitgeist]

14 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

DESTROYING CHILDREN AND FAMILIES!

PURE EVIL

The cherry on top for what will undoubtedly end up being a top contender for dumbest post of 2023.  

You support the destruction of family and morality.  

[OftenWrong]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

You support the destruction of family and morality.  

While I admire your efforts

and empathize with your pain

know when you're being trolled fella

you are not going to get through to these people

it's too late, much too late for that now

the AI bot made all the right moves

was all too easy for it to defeat

these simple-minded goons

so the game, she is over

oh captain my captain

schiff ist verloren

?

 

[Zeitgeist]

37 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

While I admire your efforts

and empathize with your pain

know when you're being trolled fella

you are not going to get through to these people

it's too late, much too late for that now

the AI bot made all the right moves

was all too easy for it to defeat

these simple-minded goons

so the game, she is over

oh captain my captain

schiff ist verloren

?

 

I hear you and appreciate your support. I think the only way to quell these insane radicals is to fight fire with fire. We need to look to the braver states, defeat creeper Trudeau, and remove gender ideology from elementary schools. The tyrant ideologues are indoctrinating kids. Power must be restored to families.

 

Edited June 15, 2023 by Zeitgeist