"Wokeness" Has Replaced Socialism as the Great Conservative Bogeyman

[OftenWrong]

On 4/6/2023 at 2:54 PM, robosmith said:

Wokeness Has Replaced Socialism as the Great Conservative Bogeyman

 

 

Can anyone here define what YOU mean by "woke"?

 

I say it means to face up (awake) to the historical unfairness of society to mostly minority populations like black, brown, LGTBQ, etc.

If wokeness is the next big conservative bogeyman, then normalcy is the next big liberal one.

That is what you people are talking about.

But I say you're a liar. You are not woke, just throwing it around as if it's a term that matters to anybody. Only a complete fool would go woke.

That's why they are considered dangerous by conservatives- too stupid to be allowed.

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Your responses are equally ridiculous.

So you at least admit that yours are ridiculous   Well there you go .

19 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

I post something that is somewhat immutable such as the sky is blue, 2+2= 4,

No, you posted something which attempted to twist what i had said and pretend that it's relevant. this is the logical fallacy of 'bait and switch'.

It's like asking what colour the sky is, then when the person answers "blue" you say "well apples are red so you're wrong".  Sure apples are red. But that's not what was being discussed.

You might not like it - but sure, a person can have a powerful  impact on changing gov't tax policy. There are many ways.  But when that gets brought up you try to alter the discussion such that it has to be done in 5 minutes, and then it has to be done with a single vote, etc etc. all of which is beyond dishonest

And that's why nobody is taking you seriously.  Maybe those tactics work for you on the elementary school playground? But adults see through that kind of nonsense in 2 seconds.

And here's the thing - when you resort to those kinds of dishonest tricks you only convince others that you were wrong. It impresses no one.

[impartialobserver]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So you at least admit that yours are ridiculous   Well there you go .

No, you posted something which attempted to twist what i had said and pretend that it's relevant. this is the logical fallacy of 'bait and switch'.

It's like asking what colour the sky is, then when the person answers "blue" you say "well apples are red so you're wrong".  Sure apples are red. But that's not what was being discussed.

You might not like it - but sure, a person can have a powerful  impact on changing gov't tax policy. There are many ways.  But when that gets brought up you try to alter the discussion such that it has to be done in 5 minutes, and then it has to be done with a single vote, etc etc. all of which is beyond dishonest

And that's why nobody is taking you seriously.  Maybe those tactics work for you on the elementary school playground? But adults see through that kind of nonsense in 2 seconds.

And here's the thing - when you resort to those kinds of dishonest tricks you only convince others that you were wrong. It impresses no one.

My point in the beginning (easily verified) was that my complaining about gas prices is not change it NOW... 

Lets read that last word again... And here you come to refute it (easily verified).. So that tells me that you disagree with my claim that my complaining can't change the price NOW... I included that three letter word for a reason and yet you conveniently overlook it.. the reason is simple. 

[robosmith]

36 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

If wokeness is the next big conservative bogeyman, then normalcy is the next big liberal one.

Maybe if YOUR INVENTION ever catches on like "woke" has with right wingers. 

36 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

That is what you people are talking about.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

36 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

But I say you're a liar. You are not woke, just throwing it around as if it's a term that matters to anybody. Only a complete fool would go woke.

Conservatives have adopted and mangled "woke" to serve their partisan agenda just like YOU.

36 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

That's why they are considered dangerous by conservatives- too stupid to be allowed.

As you admitted ^here. Maybe do a little research before spouting ^this BULLSHIT.

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

My point in the beginning (easily verified) was that my complaining about gas prices is not change it NOW... 

That sentence doesn't make sense. Not sure what you're saying there.

25 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Lets read that last word again... And here you come to refute it (easily verified).. So that tells me that you disagree with my claim that my complaining can't change the price NOW... I included that three letter word for a reason and yet you conveniently overlook it.. the reason is simple. 

And complaining can change the price now.   But when that was pointed out to you then you have to CHANGE your argument to Ohh -- i mean in the next 2 seconds!  Which isn't sane and is very dishonest of you

And then when that gets pointed out  it's Ohhhh - i mean only if ONE PERSON ONLY complains, not if more than one does, just one - can't be more than one! which also doesn't make sense

The truth is you're wrong. Look at the booze tax. A bunch of people complained just as it was being implemented and lo and behold - it got lowered.

You can bet that if you and others complained it would put pressure on the govt' to lower taxes on fuel. And you also have teh ability to encourage others to complain (rather than discourage it).  So your 'one vote' can become many votes very fast with just a little work.

While it's possible that can work pretty much overnight and we've seen that before, the truth is it may take a week or two. BUt - that's a pretty short time period and you were DEFINITELY not saying "Instantly' before,

 

So - extremely dishonest and ridiculous. Bordering on childish.  Of course there's things we can do before the next election to get gas prices down if it's something we want.

The problem is a lot of lefties still think that things like the carbon tax are a good idea.

[impartialobserver]

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That sentence doesn't make sense. Not sure what you're saying there.

And complaining can change the price now.   But when that was pointed out to you then you have to CHANGE your argument to Ohh -- i mean in the next 2 seconds!  Which isn't sane and is very dishonest of you

And then when that gets pointed out  it's Ohhhh - i mean only if ONE PERSON ONLY complains, not if more than one does, just one - can't be more than one! which also doesn't make sense

The truth is you're wrong. Look at the booze tax. A bunch of people complained just as it was being implemented and lo and behold - it got lowered.

You can bet that if you and others complained it would put pressure on the govt' to lower taxes on fuel. And you also have teh ability to encourage others to complain (rather than discourage it).  So your 'one vote' can become many votes very fast with just a little work.

While it's possible that can work pretty much overnight and we've seen that before, the truth is it may take a week or two. BUt - that's a pretty short time period and you were DEFINITELY not saying "Instantly' before,

 

So - extremely dishonest and ridiculous. Bordering on childish.  Of course there's things we can do before the next election to get gas prices down if it's something we want.

The problem is a lot of lefties still think that things like the carbon tax are a good idea.

Hmmm... lets look at the definition of NOW. Do you have any issues with this definition? Lets start with that... 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/now

a

: at the present time or moment

Now is the time for action.

 

b

: in the time immediately before the present

thought of them just now

 

c

: in the time immediately to follow : FORTHWITH

[robosmith]

How Disney’s lawyers brutally mauled DeSantis over control of Disney World

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Did you really believe that Florida’s arrogant Gov. Ron DeSantis would get the better of Walt Disney Co. in their fight over Disney’s supposed “wokeness”?

If so, you don’t know your Disney.

DeSantis handpicked a board of cronies to take over control of Reedy Creek Improvement District — the quasi-governmental entity that Disney and Florida established more than 55 years ago to control development and management of the land on which Walt Disney World,

DeSantis’ board has now revealed that, while they were snoozing, Disney executed an agreement with their predecessors that strips the new board of all its powers except the authority to “maintain the roads and maintain basic infrastructure,” according to one of the new board members.

Hilariously, the agreement Disney reached will remain in effect at least until 21 years “after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, King of England,” currently living.
Here’s the rub. Days before the takeover, Disney reached a development agreement with the old Reedy Creek board while it was still in power. The agreement prohibits the newly constituted district from using the name “Disney” or its trademarks — specifically including Mickey Mouse — in any way without the company’s written permission. The agreement also leaves the new board without the ability to make design changes to buildings or constructing new ones without Disney’s permission.

Using the British royal family as a touchstone for the term of a trust became a tradition in the 19th century, when the typical life span ran to the 30s or 40s except for royals, who were presumed to receive healthcare that kept them alive longer. Also, royal families were the only ones that kept accurate and detailed genealogical records, so tracing descendants was relatively easy.

All this has reduced the DeSantis camp to fulminating powerlessly. The governor’s office called Disney’s move a “last-ditch” effort that may have “significant legal infirmities” that would render it “void as a matter of law.” Disney says all T’s were crossed and I’s dotted in accordance with the law.

Who’s got the upper hand? A (WOKE) multinational corporation intent on protecting franchises that bring it more than $80 billion a year has thus far made its adversary look like a blustering nincompoop.. 

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

Hmmm... lets look at the definition of NOW. Do you have any issues with this definition? Lets start with that... 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/now

a

: at the present time or moment

Now is the time for action.

 

c

: in the time immediately to follow : FORTHWITH

At the present time OR moment - so not the present moment per se but at the present time rather than some future time.

Or in the time immediately to follow.

Yeah - if you complain NOW you can have results. Absolutely the truth and fits the definition.

But it's clear it doesn't mean THIS MOMENT elusively but rather at the present time or in the immediate future.

So I was right.

And you were wrong.

And you're trying to weasel out of being wrong based on some sort of technicality. Which makes you look like even more of a dolt.

This is quite simple.  IF people raise a fuss now, it is very possible they can do something bout the gas prices in the immediate future.  That is a fact.  I know you don't WANT that to be true, but its' true.  I'm sorry that facts and truth make your life difficult.

And what YOU'VE done is try to change the discussion to go from "now" being a general term for the present to "now" meaning this instant when you discovered you were wrong. Pathetic and childish as I said.

The gov't can do something about gas prices right now. People can demand they do it right now.  So yeah.

[OftenWrong]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

Maybe if YOUR INVENTION ever catches on like "woke" has with right wingers. 

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Conservatives have adopted and mangled "woke" to serve their partisan agenda just like YOU.

As you admitted ^here. Maybe do a little research before spouting ^this BULLSHIT.

Exactly, "normalcy" is an invention to the foolish wokesters. They believe that everything is everything. If you check their demographic, it's a bunch of white college and uni students who were the most pampered and entitled group all their life. As in never had a job. As in don't need to. As in, mom and dad will take care of the big baby all her life.

Sadly they are the most naive, but often have themost to say.

Sounds familiar? Yep. The mirror is looking back at you, fella.  

 

So now you liberals want to disown your retareded children? They are not representing you? Too effin bad. Liberals- Own what you have done.

Justin Trudeau is leader of the Liberal party...

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Exactly, "normalcy" is an invention to the foolish wokesters. 

You can't love both war and normalcy.

[impartialobserver]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

At the present time OR moment - so not the present moment per se but at the present time rather than some future time.

Or in the time immediately to follow.

Yeah - if you complain NOW you can have results. Absolutely the truth and fits the definition.

But it's clear it doesn't mean THIS MOMENT elusively but rather at the present time or in the immediate future.

So I was right.

And you were wrong.

And you're trying to weasel out of being wrong based on some sort of technicality. Which makes you look like even more of a dolt.

This is quite simple.  IF people raise a fuss now, it is very possible they can do something bout the gas prices in the immediate future.  That is a fact.  I know you don't WANT that to be true, but its' true.  I'm sorry that facts and truth make your life difficult.

And what YOU'VE done is try to change the discussion to go from "now" being a general term for the present to "now" meaning this instant when you discovered you were wrong. Pathetic and childish as I said.

The gov't can do something about gas prices right now. People can demand they do it right now.  So yeah.

Can you show a verified example where the complaint of one person caused the price to go down now. Now being in a matters of minutes or hours. Not next week or next month. 

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Can you show a verified example where the complaint of one person caused the price to go down now. Now being in a matters of minutes or hours. Not next week or next month. 

Sure - i complained just yesterday to the local gas station that they were 4 cents higher than in town according to gas buddy. He dropped the price to price match for me. In fairness i know the owner and have been buying gas there for some time.

So there you go. Case closed.   That was some seriously bad timing on your part

And it's still dishonest. People can complain, gov'ts can do things, pretending otherwise is just cheezy as hell.

So now that you've been proven wrong all across the board - are you ready to recant your position or do you intend to double down on retarded?

Edited April 11, 2023 by CdnFox

[OftenWrong]

33 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You can't love both war and normalcy.

That's the only line you can pick on? I don't get it.

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

That's the only line you can pick on? I don't get it.

I was agreeing with you ?

[OftenWrong]

30 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I was agreeing with you ?

Ahh. I was hoping you would pick on something...  

I'll have to ponder that one for a while. You can't love both war, and normalcy. So the war is on normalcy.

[West]

What makes the dude in heels and lipstick a "woman" and not just a dude in heels and lipstick? 

[CdnFox]

26 minutes ago, West said:

What makes the dude in heels and lipstick a "woman" and not just a dude in heels and lipstick? 

Effective lobbying.

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

 So the war is on normalcy.

If you are unhappy in your heart and you think war is the answer, you might not find normalcy normal.   People go to war over identity sometimes.  

[Nationalist]

17 hours ago, robosmith said:

How Disney’s lawyers brutally mauled DeSantis over control of Disney World

 

Disney's revenues are dropping. So...goody for their lawyers...

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Disney's revenues are dropping. So...goody for their lawyers...

They did drop badly during the 'woke' phase, but disney has actually fired a number of it's 'woke' people and is moving away from 'woke' as a corporate policy. Revenues are creeping back up.

As to the article posted - it's crap   DIsney has paid a price in florida for their interference in gov't affairs and will continue to do so. The left just likes to try to distort the truth to minimize it least other companies get scared of being too woke

Ya get woke - ya go broke. Even disney learned that.

 

[Nationalist]

Just now, CdnFox said:

They did drop badly during the 'woke' phase, but disney has actually fired a number of it's 'woke' people and is moving away from 'woke' as a corporate policy. Revenues are creeping back up.

As to the article posted - it's crap   DIsney has paid a price in florida for their interference in gov't affairs and will continue to do so. The left just likes to try to distort the truth to minimize it least other companies get scared of being too woke

Ya get woke - ya go broke. Even disney learned that.

 

Agreed.

[Americana Antifa]

43 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Disney's revenues are dropping. So...goody for their lawyers...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1028537/quarterly-revenue-walt-disney-company-by-segment/

"In the first quarter of 2023, the Walt Disney Company's media and entertainment segment generated about 14.78 billion U.S. dollars in revenue, up from about 14.59 billion dollars compared to the same quarter of the previous fiscal year."

[Americana Antifa]

On 4/6/2023 at 2:54 PM, robosmith said:

Wokeness Has Replaced Socialism as the Great Conservative Bogeyman

 

 

Can anyone here define what YOU mean by "woke"?

 

I say it means to face up (awake) to the historical unfairness of society to mostly minority populations like black, brown, LGTBQ, etc.

 

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

 

LOL  - wow you're REALLY having a bad morning

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1028537/quarterly-revenue-walt-disney-company-by-segment/

"In the first quarter of 2023, the Walt Disney Company's media and entertainment segment generated about 14.78 billion U.S. dollars in revenue, up from about 14.59 billion dollars compared to the same quarter of the previous fiscal year."

Yes  - since they fired their 'woke' people, their profits have been climbing. their profits fell dramatically in 2021 after the gina scandal, and are slowly creeping back up.

Still aren't where they used to be tho.

Profits are a little more important than revenue but either way.

The Walt Disney company revealed that revenues are down more than $636 million in the second quarter of 2021 as compared to the first.

It was only a few months ago that Disney cancelled one of its star actresses because they didn't like comments she had made on social media. Shortly after that, it was revealed their internal corporate process is heavily influenced by critical race theory. And now, their revenues have dropped from $16.249 billion to $15.613 billion. This includes revenue across the entirety of the Disney universe, from parks to merch to television and movies.

https://thepostmillennial.com/get-woke-go-broke-disney-revenues-plummet-after-woke-corporate-culture-revealed

As disney found out - get woke go broke. Three quarters of a billion dollars down the tubes - and it got worse after that. And now they're STILL not back up to the 'post woke' numbers.

Going woke cost disney billions and they're aware of it.