Canada wrongly supports a "two-state" solution for Israel

[blackbird]

Sadly the Canadian government supports a so-called "two state" solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict.  That means carving out parts of Israel to form a Palestinian State.  The reasoning is that this theoretically will create lasting peace.   But will it?  Many Arabs or Palestinians do not believe Israel has a right to exist.  How is carving out a piece of Israel to give them their own state suddenly going to stop them from believing Israel has no right to exist after centuries of conflict?  I don't think it is and the Canadians government is in denial.  The Canadian government also feels compelled to weigh in the ongoing conflict in on Israel without understanding what the situation really is there.

Canada has also been accused of contributing to anti-Semitism and indirectly giving support to terrorism by giving millions of dollars to the UNRWA, a U.N. relief agency that supports Palestinians to a certain degree.  The UNRWA has been accused by another U.N. watchdog organization of providing support to Palestinian schools where teachers have been found to be teaching anti-Israel material.

"UNRWA Suspends Six Teachers, Palestinians Go Crazy

JUL 3, 2022 10:00 AM BY HUGH FITZGERALD

In suspending six teachers – not firing them – UNRWA has done the absolute minimum in response to a devastating report from UN Watch, about 120 of UNRWA teachers who were found to teach murderous antisemitism in the classroom. Yet even this small step has enraged the Palestinians, who don’t want any UNRWA teachers to lose their jobs for urging their young charges to murder Jews. A report on this handful of suspensions, and the Palestinian response, is here: “Report: UNRWA suspends 6 staffers who incited violence against Jews,” Israel Hayom, June 30, 2022:"

UNRWA Suspends Six Teachers, Palestinians Go Crazy (jihadwatch.org)

After approximately 1,700 years of anti-Semitism by the west against Jews including the genocide of six million Jews in the Holocaust, or one-third of the Jews in Europe, one would think the government of Canada (and other countries) would have learned their lesson and respect the right of Israel to have their own state without interfering and trying to appease the unappeasable.  Apparently they have not learned much.

Anti-Semitism has many aspects to it.  One of them is the the anti-Israel politics of the U.N. and as we see, in the Canadian government's policies.

Anti-Semitism Table of Contents (jewishvirtuallibrary.org)

"Modern antisemitism has primarily been described as hatred against Jews as a race and its most recent expression is rooted in 18th-century racial theories. Anti-Judaism is rooted in hostility toward Judaism; in Western Christianity, anti-Judaism effectively merged with antisemitism during the 12th century.[1]: 16  Scholars have debated how Christian antisemitism played a role in the Nazi Third Reich, World War II, and the Holocaust.[6] The Holocaust forced many Christians to reflect on the role(s) Christian theology and practice played and still play in anti-Judaism and antisemitism.[7]"   Antisemitism in Christianity - Wikipedia

The history of the past 1,500 years demonstrates that Romanism has played a large part in anti-Semitism.  Jews in Europe were often the target of anti-Semitism through history and were persecuted and discriminated against.  

There is still a lack of understanding of what Israel faces in the world.  It is surrounded by many nations with large populations who believe Israel has no right to exist.  The U.N. also is predominantly made up of nations which are not particularly sympathetic to Israel's right to exist.  Canada seems to be doing its usual thing of trying to be the globalist arbitrator and trying to appease both the Arabs and the state of Israel.  Unfortunately that does not work because the enemies of Israel will never be appeased.  Most people in government are Papists which has a long history of anti-Semitism in Europe.  They simply do not understand the right of Israel to exist as a nation and what they are up against. The idea that Canada has that they can solve the problem by supporting a two-state solution is obviously nonsensical to anyone who knows the history of the world and the reality Israel faces in the middle east.  

 

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[Army Guy]

This liberal government has torn this country into little pieces, and has gotten very good at the whole process, so ya it knows what is best for other nations I think Justin and company should take that act on the road... 

[Michael Hardner]

The OP doesn't seem to acknowledge that these areas are called "Occupied Territories".

The two-state solution is supported by the US, Canada, UK, France, Japan among others...

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-recognize-palestine

[blackbird]

This is the map of the U.N.'s proposed "two-state" solution.   Obviously just a continuation of the anti-Semitic / anti-Israel plan of many of the U.N. countries.  Sadly Canada counts itself among that group.  A continuation of the 2,000 years of anti-Semitism.

"

NEW YORK — The United Nations General Assembly passed more resolutions critical of Israel than against all other nations combined in 2022, contributing to what observers call an ongoing lopsided focus on the Jewish state at the world body.

The General Assembly approved 15 anti-Israel resolutions last year, versus 13 resolutions criticizing other countries, according to a tally by the pro-Israel monitoring group UN Watch."

UN condemned Israel more than all other countries combined in 2022 -- monitor | The Times of Israel

You can see if you examine the U.N.'s proposed two state map, it would literally mean the end of Israel.  Basically handing Israel over to the Arabs.

The Roman Empire destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D. and the Jews scattered around the world.  Since then the Romanist Papal world has been persecuting the Jews culminating in the Holocaust, the Concordats between the Vatican and Nazi Germany, Spain's Franco, and Italy's Mussolini.  The Jews returned to their land in the 20th century and re-established the nation of Israel in 1948.

The Muslims have been opposed to Israel for 1,500 years and claimed historic religious roots in Jerusalem, which is not supported Biblically.  

So between the more than billion Muslims in the world and possibly nearly a billion Papists, although not everyone is opposed to the Jews, many are.  The opposition to Israel's existence by the U.N. is understandable but not right.

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[BeaverFever]

A 2 state solution is the only solution for those who want peace and it is the only moral solution. It will never happen though. Leaders on both sides of the conflict benefit from ongoing conflict, apartheid and violence. 
 

Alternatively, they could become a single state with 2 equal cultures like French-German Belgium or English-French Canada or even French-German-Italian-Romanche Switzerland   
 

One side exterminating or expelling the other is not an option and not going to happen. Both peoples are descended from the area’s indigenous ancient Canaanite inhabitants and others who have since passed through this crossroads over the millennia. Neither has a more legitimate claim to the land than the other. 

[blackbird]

54 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Both peoples are descended from the area’s indigenous ancient Canaanite inhabitants

Actually the Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael.  Ishmael was a son of Abraham and the Egyptian woman, Hagar.  See Genesis.

The Jews or twelve tribes of Israel are the descendants of Jacob, who was the son of Isaac, who was the son of Abraham and his wife Sarah.  Abraham is considered the father of the Arabs many of whom are Muslims.  Abraham is also the father of the Jews but through a different line or through Jacob.

The Jewish religion is a different religion and began with Abraham and the subsequent descendants Isaac, and Jacob and the twelve tribes of Israel.  The Bible describes the nation of Israel which began at that time approximately 3,500 years ago and God gave Israel the land which was known as the land of Caanan at that time.  Israel and the Canaanites were separate.  Israel was made up of the Jews descended from the twelve tribes of Israel.  See Genesis.  The Old Testament covers the history of the nation of Israel from its beginning to several centuries before Christ.  The Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D. and scattered the nation of Israel.  The Jews re-established the state of Israel in 1948.  

The Arabs in general are Muslims and the Israelites are Jewish, two different religions.  So according to Genesis, the land was given to Israel by God.  Israel is surrounded by tens or hundreds of millions of Arabs in the middle east who do not accept that and they are mostly Muslims.  That is why there is no way that Israel can be divided up.  The number of Arabs in the middle east and the small size of Israel would make it impossible for them to exist if it were divided up.  Arabs in general do not accept their right to exist.

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[Mako]

Why would conservatives support Israel? 

Israelis have betrayed them so often:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/10-israelis-set-to-be-indicted-for-illegally-exporting-missiles-to-china/

 

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[blackbird]

7 minutes ago, Mako said:

Why would conservatives support Israel? 

Israelis have betrayed them so often:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/10-israelis-set-to-be-indicted-for-illegally-exporting-missiles-to-china/

 

So some group in Israel was selling some missiles or drones illegally to China and were charged by the Israeli government. Did you bother to read the article?

[Mako]

14 minutes ago, blackbird said:

So some group in Israel was selling some missiles or drones illegally to China and were charged by the Israeli government. Did you bother to read the article?

Don’t be an Israeli tool.

https://www.military.com/defensetech/2013/12/24/report-israel-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/israel-accused-of-selling-us-secrets-to-china-1510406.html

And let’s not forget Pollard.

https://news.yahoo.com/israeli-spy-pollard-betrays-america-024230190.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/jan/12/julianborger1

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[blackbird]

20 minutes ago, Mako said:

Don’t be an Israeli tool.

In the first post you made you posted an article that you obviously didn't even read yourself.

It said "10 Israelis set to be indicted for illegally exporting missiles to China"

So they were selling missiles to China illegally and charged by the Israeli government.

The article also says "Israel is home to some 1,600 licensed arms exporters, which employ 150,000 to 200,000 people"

Obviously there were some arms producers or dealers acting illegally.  

Then you post more links with article from a different source which could well be fabricated stories or lies or inaccurate reports.  We have no way of knowing.  But we do know there are many countries that are anti-Semitic and anti-Israel.  The lies about Israel are probably more common than we could imagine.  I would be very careful what I post about Israel.  The first article you posted came from the Times of Israel and is the one that you didn't bother to read but says the people selling arms were charged.  With 1,600 arms dealers and 150,000 to 200,000 people involved it might be difficult to control.  

But the main point I would make is Israel is an ally of America while much of the rest of the world are hostile to the west and hostile to Israel.  

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[blackbird]

40 minutes ago, Mako said:

Don’t be an Israeli tool.

https://www.military.com/defensetech/2013/12/24/report-israel-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/israel-accused-of-selling-us-secrets-to-china-1510406.html

And let’s not forget Pollard.

https://news.yahoo.com/israeli-spy-pollard-betrays-america-024230190.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/jan/12/julianborger1

The truth is there is an enormous amount of the media lying about Israel.  All you have to do is Google "does some media lie about Israel".

"The painful truth about media bias: Some journalists lie"

The painful truth about media bias: Some journalists lie - JNS.org

What the Media Gets Wrong About Israel

The news tells us less about Israel than about the people writing the news, a former AP reporter says.

What the Media Gets Wrong About Israel - The Atlantic

Ten Deadly Lies about Israel   Ten Deadly Lies about Israel - POLITICO Magazine

Israel-Palestinian conflict: False and misleading claims fact-checked

Israel-Palestinian conflict: False and misleading claims fact-checked - BBC News

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[eyeball]

6 hours ago, Army Guy said:

This liberal government has torn this country into little pieces, and has gotten very good at the whole process, so ya it knows what is best for other nations I think Justin and company should take that act on the road... 

Didn't Israel examine Canada's reserve system when considering how to design their system of apartheid? And yes I'm quite sure South Africa modelled their reserve system after our's too.

I don't know maybe Israel and South Africa were more interested in gleaning a little moral shine by emulating us. The world could always use more of Canada right?

[Americana Antifa]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

 Many Arabs or Palestinians do not believe Israel has a right to exist.  How is carving out a piece of Israel to give them their own state suddenly going to stop them from believing Israel has no right to exist after centuries of conflict?  

Because the reason they believe Israel doesn't have a right to exist is a result of decades of war crimes Israel has committed. If Israel agreed to a two state solution, paid reparations, and started being a good neighbor to the other countries in the region, much fewer Arabs would be against Israel's existence.

[Mako]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

The truth is there is an enormous amount of the media lying about Israel.  All you have to do is Google "does some media lie about Israel".

"The painful truth about media bias: Some journalists lie"

The painful truth about media bias: Some journalists lie - JNS.org

What the Media Gets Wrong About Israel

The news tells us less about Israel than about the people writing the news, a former AP reporter says.

What the Media Gets Wrong About Israel - The Atlantic

Ten Deadly Lies about Israel   Ten Deadly Lies about Israel - POLITICO Magazine

Israel-Palestinian conflict: False and misleading claims fact-checked

Israel-Palestinian conflict: False and misleading claims fact-checked - BBC News

In the BBC link 3/5 false claims were made by pro-Israelis. Did you even read the article?

Do you think Jewish people or Palestinians have more influence in the media?

Instead of blanket attacks on the media, why not try to refute the specific articles I cited?

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Mako said:

Instead of blanket attacks on the media, why not try to refute the specific articles I cited?

I am not so dumb to just accept any article someone posts.  The simple fact is much of the world is anti-Semitic and anti-Israel.  The voting pattern of the U.N. proves that.  So why would anyone believe anti-Israel articles on the internet when half of the world is anti-Israel?  Just read the post above from another poster and you will see what I mean.  Anti-Semitism and anti-Israel go hand-in-hand.  The world is full of anti-Semites.

How would you classify yourself, pro Israel or anti-Israel?

Nobody sitting in his home is in a position to prove or disprove such claims.  Even whole governments departments such as the FBI or CIA sometimes cannot know the truth about some things.  The only way one could know the truth of some claims is to in position to be right where it happened and be able to witness events or talk to witnesses, which might or might not help.

It is easy for journalists to listen to claims from someone and publish unverified claims.  There are plenty of liars out there who will fabricate stories as well.

The U.S. government thought Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, but when they went in there, they could not find them.  At least that is what we were told.

 

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[blackbird]

22 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

You probably like Israel because of the Bible stories and you think the Messiah will come if Jews are given the land or whatever story you tell yourself.

I don't think it has anything to do with when the Messiah will come.

But the Bible says God will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel.

The Bible also says God gave them that land for perpetuity.

So, that applies regardless of all the politics going on there.

25 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Did you watch the video with the Israeli Spy Chiefs in my first post to hear their opinion? 

Will check it out later.  Can't at the moment.

25 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

The U.S.-Israel Relationship No Longer Makes Sense:

Israel is the only democracy in the middle east.  They are a natural ally of the west.  It would be crazy for America to turn it's back on Israel.  Israel has been an extremely important country for some reason, possibly because God chose Israel to bring the Bible and Jesus Christ into the world.  It would be unwise to oppose Israel.  I think according to Bible prophecy those nations that oppose Israel will be destroyed.

[Mako]

8 hours ago, blackbird said:

I am not so dumb to just accept any article someone posts.  The simple fact is much of the world is anti-Semitic and anti-Israel.  The voting pattern of the U.N. proves that.  So why would anyone believe anti-Israel articles on the internet when half of the world is anti-Israel?  Just read the post above from another poster and you will see what I mean.  Anti-Semitism and anti-Israel go hand-in-hand.  The world is full of anti-Semites.

How would you classify yourself, pro Israel or anti-Israel?

Nobody sitting in his home is in a position to prove or disprove such claims.  Even whole governments departments such as the FBI or CIA sometimes cannot know the truth about some things.  The only way one could know the truth of some claims is to in position to be right where it happened and be able to witness events or talk to witnesses, which might or might not help.

It is easy for journalists to listen to claims from someone and publish unverified claims.  There are plenty of liars out there who will fabricate stories as well.

The U.S. government thought Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, but when they went in there, they could not find them.  At least that is what we were told.

 

Are you a Christian or an Israeli pretending to be a Christian?

If you are a Christian you should recognize that your putative allies despise and use you.

https://jewishjournal.com/israel/106253/

I’m glad you brought up Iraq. Did you know the Israelis pushed us into a war that served their interests but not ours?

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby

 

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[Mako]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

I don't think it has anything to do with when the Messiah will come.

But the Bible says God will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel.

The Bible also says God gave them that land for perpetuity.

So, that applies regardless of all the politics going on there.

Will check it out later.  Can't at the moment.

Israel is the only democracy in the middle east.  They are a natural ally of the west.  It would be crazy for America to turn it's back on Israel.  Israel has been an extremely important country for some reason, possibly because God chose Israel to bring the Bible and Jesus Christ into the world.  It would be unwise to oppose Israel.  I think according to Bible prophecy those nations that oppose Israel will be destroyed.

Many Israelis are atheist or anti-Christian. Many Israelis are of predominately European or other non-Jewish extraction. And anyway haven’t Christians replaced Jews as the Chosen People?

Israel is an apartheid nation that discriminates against non-Jews.

https://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/database-discriminatory-israel/

Edited April 6, 2023 by Mako

[ExFlyer]

16 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The OP doesn't seem to acknowledge that these areas are called "Occupied Territories".

The two-state solution is supported by the US, Canada, UK, France, Japan among others...

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-recognize-palestine

Isn't Canada "two state", with Quebec and the rest of Canada??

We are based on language rather thanreligion.

Edited April 6, 2023 by ExFlyer

[Michael Hardner]

35 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Isn't Canada "two state", with Quebec and the rest of Canada??

We are based on language rather thanreligion.

I can't see the OP because I have the user on ignore, but based on the title of the thread it's more low quality troll bait.

[BeaverFever]

On 4/5/2023 at 5:59 PM, blackbird said:

Actually the Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael.  Ishmael was a son of Abraham and the Egyptian woman, Hagar.  See Genesis.

The Jews or twelve tribes of Israel are the descendants of Jacob, who was the son of Isaac, who was the son of Abraham and his wife Sarah.  Abraham is considered the father of the Arabs many of whom are Muslims.  Abraham is also the father of the Jews but through a different line or through Jacob.

The Jewish religion is a different religion and began with Abraham and the subsequent descendants Isaac, and Jacob and the twelve tribes of Israel.  The Bible describes the nation of Israel which began at that time approximately 3,500 years ago and God gave Israel the land which was known as the land of Caanan at that time.  Israel and the Canaanites were separate.  Israel was made up of the Jews descended from the twelve tribes of Israel.  See Genesis.  The Old Testament covers the history of the nation of Israel from its beginning to several centuries before Christ.  The Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D. and scattered the nation of Israel.  The Jews re-established the state of Israel in 1948.  

The Arabs in general are Muslims and the Israelites are Jewish, two different religions.  So according to Genesis, the land was given to Israel by God.  Israel is surrounded by tens or hundreds of millions of Arabs in the middle east who do not accept that and they are mostly Muslims.  That is why there is no way that Israel can be divided up.  The number of Arabs in the middle east and the small size of Israel would make it impossible for them to exist if it were divided up.  Arabs in general do not accept their right to exist.

Biblical fictional nonsense aside, the genetic “Arabs” are from the Arabian Peninsula only.  Palestinians, Egyptians, Moroccans and all the others are “culturally” Arab but not genetically Arab.  Similar to how First Nations Canadians speak English but are not actually from England, most people from “Arabic” cultures are not actually Arabic. 
 

Modern generic science tell us that the modern day people of the levant are all predominantly descended from Caananites.  The word Hebrew is almost certainly derived from the late bronze-age term “Hibaru” which was not a specific religion or ethnicity but rather a generic name for the many various nomadic / unsettled peoples of the levant, many of  whom were refugees or otherwise displaced from cities and kingdoms by the various wars and calamities of the Bronze Age Collapse. 
 

Archeology and history also tell us that Bronze Age pagan Caananties worshiped a Zeus-type father god “El” among other gods who were his children such as Baal.  The original Jewish manuscripts when read in their authentic Hebrew language clearly show an evolution in the names and references which in English the Old testament are all just written as “God. The word ”el” (lower case) was also the generic caananite word for any god at that time, as in “El is my favourite el but Baal is also a good el”. The top god El was usually identified in texts with a divine title such as “El Shaddai” (the “Most High” god). Others eventually added a popular and Thor-like storm God “Yahweh” to the pantheon as a son of El, which probably originated further south from nearby Arabs Or possibly in Sainai.  Names with -el such as Micha-el, Gabri-el and Isra-el are all religious references to this god “El” and it’s even argued that the Arabic word “allah” (which before Islam was also a generic word for any god as well as the name of a specific god) is derived from this same word “el”  

Eventually as stated in Deuteronomy 32:9,  “El Shaddai” divided up the people of Earth to the various gods and assigns Isrealites  to Yahweh. If we follow modern translations of this scene where there is only one “God” then it makes no sense that he is dividing up the people of the earth to himself and talking to himself. Eventually among the followers of Yahweh, he and the “El Shaddai” character become conflated as the same deity and the story evolves to say that Yahweh was the top god this whole time and there’s another of many “name change” scenes in the Old Testament where in Exodus God tells Moses “umm this is like kind of embarrassing but this whole time I’ve been telling you guys my name is El but it’s actually Yahweh so let’s just use that name going forward. It’s a whole weird thing I don’t wanna get into. No more questions.”   Name changes in religious tales and myths are a major red flag that two previously separate and distinct religions or cultures are being merged into one, usually done for political reasons or as natural unintentional result of mutual assimilation. 
 

Eventually the Israelites (who had been ruled by the Babylonian empire for a time) fall under Persian rule. The Persian empire was so vast and ethnically diverse that the ruling Persian Achaemenid dynasty (whose founder Cyrus the Great freed the Hebrew elite from Babylonian captivity) adopted one of the earliest forms of proto-monotheism called Zoroastrianism.  The Zoroastrians taught that the many different deities that people of the empire worshipped were just different manifestations of the same ONE GOD FOR ALL HUMANITY, who revealed itself to different people in different forms but otherwise had no singular “true” form of its own. Therefore people were encouraged to continue worshiping their favourite deity and also tolerate their fellow countryman’s deities because after all they are all the same deity in the end.   It is around this time that the first texts of the Hebrew cannon are written and here “Yahweh” takes on another name:“Elohim” which is the plural of El, meaning “gods” although it is abundantly clear that they are now talking about only ONE being. As in “there is only one god, and his name is ‘Gods’, (plural)”

Outside of the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, people continue to practice various pagan religions, which borrowed from each other and from Judaism just as the proto-Judaism had borrowed from them.
 

After a few centuries, a rebellious sect of Judaism emerged while under Roman rule, spouting hippie, anti-elite, pacifist teachings such as “the meek shall inherit the earth,” “turn the other cheek” and “it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven”. Like all religions it borrowed heavily from pre-existing and neighbouring religions, and also from Roman-imported pagan religions.This form of Judaism would later be called Christianity and was particularly appealing to society’s downtrodden. It spread through Europe and the Near East with the Romans era’s mass movement of slaves, servants, migrants, refugees and perhaps especially low-ranking soldiers and conscripts of the Roman Army. 

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[CdnFox]

Well i'll admit this isn't a field of study for me so i'm not that well versed, and i may be missing some of the picture but a few things do occur to me.

1 - The Palestinians have sworn to destroy isreal and elected gov'ts with that in their 'to do' list.  I don't care how they got there. I don't care who did what.  There's No WAY a two state system works when one side is dedicated to the destruction of the other.

2 - it doesn't make a damn bit of difference who's great great great grandfather lived where. Today this is where people are living and they need to continue living and countries and borders shift and change over time, get over it.

I don't see any realistic path to peaceful coexistance for them.  It is clear as a bell palestine doesn't want peace. And its pretty obvious isreal isn't going to sacrifice it's safety and wants a buffer, reasonable or not.

So the only thing i can see being even remotely stable is to leave it basically the way it is and also to support isreal's position. Isreal obviously doesn't want to wipe them out, or they'd be dead. Palestine definitely DOES want to wipe isreal out, so they can't be allowed to have the kind of freedom and power that could make that happen.

Maybe someday both sides will get sick of this and come to the table ready to do a deal, but until that happens i don't think you can force a solution. Keep palestine weak, keep isreal from going too far with retaliation, and wait and see if it simmers down in the next 100 years or so.

[blackbird]

6 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Did you watch the video with the Israeli Spy Chiefs in my first post to hear their opinion? 

I will watch it today.

5 hours ago, Mako said:

And anyway haven’t Christians replaced Jews as the Chosen People?

No.  But Romanism seems to believe that.  Also Reformed churches believe that and possibly some other denominations.  But dispensational churches, some Baptists, evangelicals, and possibly others don't believe that.  I believe the Bible does not support Replacement Theology.  

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 4/5/2023 at 9:20 PM, blackbird said:

Then you post more links with article from a different source which could well be fabricated stories or lies or inaccurate reports.  We have no way of knowing.  But we do know there are many countries that are anti-Semitic and anti-Israel.  The lies about Israel are probably more common than we could imagine.  I would be very careful what I post about Israel. 

What exactly is false in that Jeff Stein article about Pollard, a notorious traitor? To add insult to injury, PM Netanyahu personally met this enemy of America on his arrival in Israel at Ben Gurion airport.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/29/jonathan-pollard-spy-israel-452235

 

Here’s a link from the NP which you might believe:

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-gives-former-spy-jonathan-pollard-who-was-jailed-in-u-s-warm-but-low-key-homecoming

Although how they describe the welcome as ‘low-key’ is completely beyond me. No PM has ever met me at an airport. 

 

Edited April 7, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

The two publicly declared solutions are two-state and one-state. Instead, Israel has for years quietly pursued a 1.1 state path, land minus people, whereby Palestinians will never be citizens of a country and will have zero rights in their shrinking West Bank enclaves, subjected to Chinese-style state surveillance in perpetuity. Alternatively, there’s no reason why Israel can’t leave the current borders in place, halt settlement building and wait to see whether an interlocutor arises on the other side for an eventual two-state solution. People change and cultures change, especially today. 

On the question posed, I think Canada is right to be vaguely neutral on this issue and suggest a two-state solution eventually. We don’t need to get too involved here. Given the increasingly illiberal direction of Israeli politics, working for the welfare of Palestinians on the ground is probably all we can do to help.  

Edited April 6, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland