Russian Army collapsing - the unsurprising failure of a police-state

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Strange how you ignore the entire timeline. 

So goofy...

Vlad the Destroyer would never try to pass off a stalled offensive and ignominious retreat as some sort of strategic maneuver would he.?. 

Speaking of timelines, his two week war is now getting close to two years. All part of  Vlad's grand plan of course.

[Nationalist]

19 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Vlad the Destroyer would never try to pass off a stalled offensive and ignominious retreat as some sort of strategic maneuver would he.?. 

Speaking of timelines, his two week war is now getting close to two years. All part of  Vlad's grand plan of course.

Hilarious. You assume so much and in the end...ya look like a dope.

The timeline of events supports the conclusion that a deal was being struck and NATO itself put a lid on it.

But ya...laugh it up dopey.

Edited December 5, 2023 by Nationalist

[DUI_Offender]

8 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Well that ain'-a-gonna happen any time soon. And who are you to speak for Ukrainians? About half of the population left alive and inside Ukraine still, want a peace deal now. That number is growing quickly.

Ukrainians Stand Behind War Effort Despite Some Fatigue

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- After 18 months of grinding conflict, Ukrainians remain deeply committed to winning the war with Russia -- although slightly less so than they were in the early months of the war.

Three in five (60%) Ukrainians interviewed in July and August said they want Ukraine to keep fighting until it wins, twice as many as those who want Ukraine to negotiate to end the war as soon as possible (31%). Ukrainians’ commitment is slightly muted from what it was in September 2022, when 70% of Ukrainians said they wanted their country to keep fighting, but the majority still staunchly support the war.

Edited December 5, 2023 by DUI_Offender

[DUI_Offender]

17 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Hilarious. You assume so much and in the end...ya look like a dope.

The timeline of events supports the conclusion that a deal was being struck and NATO itself put a lid on it.

But ya...laugh it up dopey.

 

[Nationalist]

39 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Ukrainians Stand Behind War Effort Despite Some Fatigue

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- After 18 months of grinding conflict, Ukrainians remain deeply committed to winning the war with Russia -- although slightly less so than they were in the early months of the war.

Three in five (60%) Ukrainians interviewed in July and August said they want Ukraine to keep fighting until it wins, twice as many as those who want Ukraine to negotiate to end the war as soon as possible (31%). Ukrainians’ commitment is slightly muted from what it was in September 2022, when 70% of Ukrainians said they wanted their country to keep fighting, but the majority still staunchly support the war.

https://www.newsweek.com/nearly-half-ukrainians-open-compromise-russia-end-war-poll-1849188

"The poll found that in November, 44 percent of respondents believed it was necessary "to seek compromise solutions in negotiations involving other countries," according to a translation of the Ukrainian.

This figure was up from 35 percent in February—one year on from the start of the full-scale invasion, according to the graph of the survey headlined "What do you think is the real way to end the war?"

It was also 35 percent in July 2023, one month after Ukraine started its counteroffensive aimed at taking back Russian-occupied territory.

While last month's 44 percent figure is a slight dip from the 48 percent of respondents in September who believed in negotiations, the proportion of Ukrainians in favor of fighting until Russian-occupied territories are liberated has decreased over the course of this year."

 

 

[DUI_Offender]

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

https://www.newsweek.com/nearly-half-ukrainians-open-compromise-russia-end-war-poll-1849188

"The poll found that in November, 44 percent of respondents believed it was necessary "to seek compromise solutions in negotiations involving other countries," according to a translation of the Ukrainian.

This figure was up from 35 percent in February—one year on from the start of the full-scale invasion, according to the graph of the survey headlined "What do you think is the real way to end the war?"

It was also 35 percent in July 2023, one month after Ukraine started its counteroffensive aimed at taking back Russian-occupied territory.

While last month's 44 percent figure is a slight dip from the 48 percent of respondents in September who believed in negotiations, the proportion of Ukrainians in favor of fighting until Russian-occupied territories are liberated has decreased over the course of this year."

 

 

Russians' Support for Ukraine War Hits Rock Bottom: Poll

The war in Ukraine has become considerably more unpopular among Russians since the start of the year, according to a survey by an independent Moscow pollster.

Restrictive laws in Russia that criminalize criticism of the war can shape poll results, which are often based on questions that require only yes or no answers. But Chronicles, which was founded by Aleksei Miniailo, a Russian opposition politician, and a team of sociologists, says its surveys, in which a series of questions are asked, provide an accurate snapshot of public opinion.

The Moscow-based research group asked 1,199 adults across Russia a series of questions in a phone poll between October 17 and 22. It found that the core of support for the war was only 12 percent, compared with 22 percent in February, one year after the start of what the Kremlin calls a "special military operation."

Miniailo told Newsweek that consistent war support refers to the position of those who back the invasion of Ukraine, do not want Putin to withdraw troops and start peace talks without reaching military goals, and believe that army expenses should be the state budget's priority.

Russians with a consistent pro-peace position were at 18.5 percent in October, a small drop from 20 percent in February. They don't support the war, favor withdrawing troops and peace talks without reaching military goals, and believe social, not military, spending should be the budget priority.

More than half (52 percent) of respondents said they experienced anxiety or depression, an increase from 32 percent in March 2022, a month after the invasion started. A main reason for dissatisfaction with the war is the financial concerns that Russian households are facing.

This week, Putin announced a significant increase in military spending. About 30 percent of the Russian budget will be directed toward the armed forces in 2024.

The poll found that 44 percent of respondents have experienced a decrease in family income, while 20 percent said crucial medicines are no longer available. Only 5 percent expected their income would improve because of an increase in military spending in 2024.

"A decrease in income is one of the core drivers of nonsupport," Miniailo said. "There is a strong correlation between decreasing income and other economic problems and people declaring less support for the war."

"So of course people are shocked. They push it as far as possible from their conscience, from their attention, and when they feel the practical consequences of what is happening, it is once again actualized for them," he said.

The number of respondents who would not accept withdrawal from Ukraine without reaching military goals decreased from 47 percent in February 2023 to 33 percent in October 2023.

"This shows that people are tired. They are dissatisfied and don't want this to continue because their life is becoming worse," Miniailo said.

Another poll out this week, by the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center and the Levada Center, found that Russians were getting tired of the war but were divided about how to end it.

Sixty-eight percent of Russians support continuing the war, 22 percent strongly oppose a cease-fire under any circumstances, and about 20 percent strongly oppose the war. Meanwhile, 72 percent said they support peace talks, although only 19 percent are willing to make concessions to Ukraine for the sake of peace.

[Nationalist]

18 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Russians' Support for Ukraine War Hits Rock Bottom: Poll

The war in Ukraine has become considerably more unpopular among Russians since the start of the year, according to a survey by an independent Moscow pollster.

Restrictive laws in Russia that criminalize criticism of the war can shape poll results, which are often based on questions that require only yes or no answers. But Chronicles, which was founded by Aleksei Miniailo, a Russian opposition politician, and a team of sociologists, says its surveys, in which a series of questions are asked, provide an accurate snapshot of public opinion.

The Moscow-based research group asked 1,199 adults across Russia a series of questions in a phone poll between October 17 and 22. It found that the core of support for the war was only 12 percent, compared with 22 percent in February, one year after the start of what the Kremlin calls a "special military operation."

Miniailo told Newsweek that consistent war support refers to the position of those who back the invasion of Ukraine, do not want Putin to withdraw troops and start peace talks without reaching military goals, and believe that army expenses should be the state budget's priority.

Russians with a consistent pro-peace position were at 18.5 percent in October, a small drop from 20 percent in February. They don't support the war, favor withdrawing troops and peace talks without reaching military goals, and believe social, not military, spending should be the budget priority.

More than half (52 percent) of respondents said they experienced anxiety or depression, an increase from 32 percent in March 2022, a month after the invasion started. A main reason for dissatisfaction with the war is the financial concerns that Russian households are facing.

This week, Putin announced a significant increase in military spending. About 30 percent of the Russian budget will be directed toward the armed forces in 2024.

The poll found that 44 percent of respondents have experienced a decrease in family income, while 20 percent said crucial medicines are no longer available. Only 5 percent expected their income would improve because of an increase in military spending in 2024.

"A decrease in income is one of the core drivers of nonsupport," Miniailo said. "There is a strong correlation between decreasing income and other economic problems and people declaring less support for the war."

"So of course people are shocked. They push it as far as possible from their conscience, from their attention, and when they feel the practical consequences of what is happening, it is once again actualized for them," he said.

The number of respondents who would not accept withdrawal from Ukraine without reaching military goals decreased from 47 percent in February 2023 to 33 percent in October 2023.

"This shows that people are tired. They are dissatisfied and don't want this to continue because their life is becoming worse," Miniailo said.

Another poll out this week, by the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center and the Levada Center, found that Russians were getting tired of the war but were divided about how to end it.

Sixty-eight percent of Russians support continuing the war, 22 percent strongly oppose a cease-fire under any circumstances, and about 20 percent strongly oppose the war. Meanwhile, 72 percent said they support peace talks, although only 19 percent are willing to make concessions to Ukraine for the sake of peace.

So...Russians want peace too?

What a shocker...

[Aristides]

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

So...Russians want peace too?

What a shocker...

Maybe they shouldn't have started a war.

[DUI_Offender]

56 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

So...Russians want peace too?

What a shocker...

Considering they are getting annihilated in Ukraine, I don't blame them.   It's going to get a lot worse for your hero Putin.

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Considering they are getting annihilated in Ukraine, I don't blame them.   It's going to get a lot worse for your hero Putin.

Lol...you are funny.

[Nationalist]

Hey. I think Turkey just left NATO.

Oh oh...the old hag losing teeth now?

[WestCanMan]

19 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Hey. I think Turkey just left NATO.

Oh oh...the old hag losing teeth now?

Seriously?

That's a big deal. 

I wonder of they're going to try to start some unholy alliance in the ME. 

[Nationalist]

12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Seriously?

That's a big deal. 

I wonder of they're going to try to start some unholy alliance in the ME. 

I don't know. I know the MSM is trying to make it look like they've kicked Turkey out. But that would be strategicly stupid.

[WestCanMan]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I don't know. I know the MSM is trying to make it look like they've kicked Turkey out. But that would be strategicly stupid.

I dunno.

Something about Turkey having all the NATO encryption codes doesn't sit well with me. 

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I dunno.

Something about Turkey having all the NATO encryption codes doesn't sit well with me. 

We should know definitely soon.

[Nationalist]

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I dunno.

Something about Turkey having all the NATO encryption codes doesn't sit well with me. 

Now I guess we know...

 

NATO has lost free access to The Black Sea...A huge military...and a "friend" in the ME.

Oh well...at least Sweden is in NATO now...

I wonder which tooth will fall out next?

[Moonbox]

On 12/11/2023 at 10:29 AM, Nationalist said:

NATO has lost free access to The Black Sea...A huge military...and a "friend" in the ME.

Oh well...at least Sweden is in NATO now...

I wonder which tooth will fall out next?

The problem with being a thoughtless twit that gets his news off his Youtube and Twitter feeds is that the algorithm recognizes that you're a thoughtless twit and feeds you thoughtless-twit content.  

On 12/8/2023 at 10:29 PM, Nationalist said:

Hey. I think Turkey just left NATO.

Nope.  You've been bamboozled again by troll-farm propaganda.  The Iranians and North Koreans love minds like yours.  ?

[sharkman]

Turkey might as well leave NATO, with actions like this:

https://www.euronews.com/business/2023/11/27/turkey-faces-scrutiny-as-exports-to-russia-surge-fuelling-concerns-of-sanctions-evasion

“Turkish exports of essential goods to Russia, crucial for Moscow's military production, have experienced a significant spike in 2023.

This surge has intensified worries about potential sanctions circumvention, with the United States and the European Union actively seeking to curb Russia's access to dual-use goods through third-party nations.

Turkey recorded a staggering €144 million in exports of 45 goods, including microchips marked as "high priority" by the US, to Russia and five "former Soviet countries" suspected of acting as intermediaries for Moscow during the first nine months of 2023”

Yup, they are a great contributor to the NATO cause.

 

[Moonbox]

No, they are not.  Just like Hungary, they're using the whole situation to their advantage.  They send weapons directly to Ukraine, then at the same time they're sending components to Russia.  

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, Moonbox said:

The problem with being a thoughtless twit that gets his news off his Youtube and Twitter feeds is that the algorithm recognizes that you're a thoughtless twit and feeds you thoughtless-twit content.  

Nope.  You've been bamboozled again by troll-farm propaganda.  The Iranians and North Koreans love minds like yours.  ?

Lol...tell me again how Ukraine is gonna win all their land back Dweebie.

[BeaverFever]

On 12/4/2023 at 9:28 PM, Nationalist said:

So...Russians want peace too?

What a shocker...

Russia could have peace tomorrow just by going home. As you must constantly be reminded, Russia is invading Ukraine,  not the other way around. 

Edited December 14, 2023 by BeaverFever

[Moonbox]

13 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...tell me again how Ukraine is gonna win all their land back Dweebie.

I don't know what's going to happen.  What I do know, however, is that you've humiliated yourself once again gloating about something that never even happened, and you based it on a Youtube video you immediately and thoughtlessly believed because it's what you wanted to hear.  

Your ability to power through your own stupidity and ignorance is almost a superpower.  ?

Edited December 14, 2023 by Moonbox

[BeaverFever]

On 12/11/2023 at 10:29 AM, Nationalist said:

Now I guess we know...

 

NATO has lost free access to The Black Sea...A huge military...and a "friend" in the ME.

Oh well...at least Sweden is in NATO now...

I wonder which tooth will fall out next?

LMAO!!  You’re such a sucker for fake news it’s hilarious. You get fooled over and over again, never feeling any shame or embarrassment, and never hesitating to fall for the next hoax. It’s absolutely amusing!

[BeaverFever]

On 12/9/2023 at 6:26 PM, WestCanMan said:

Seriously?

No. Dude if you’re only hearing it from an anonymous stranger on an Internet forum you need to know it’s almost guaranteed to be BS. 

Turkey is still very much in NATO. 

[Nationalist]

In November turkey withdrew from nato exercises. Turkey and Natoma are at odds over the Palestinians. Turkey is buying arms from Russia. The press is talking about expulsion. 

Looks like a divorce to me.