Russian Army collapsing - the unsurprising failure of a police-state

taxme · October 20, 2022

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

The Ukraine and NATO forces are gathered to make a major assault on the Donbas region. Russia has declared martial law in the region and is evacuating major cities.

The shovel gets bigger.

I do believe that NATO forces are involved in some way with and gathering together to make a major assault on the Donbass region. That is the only way that America and Zelensky can possibly win, maybe. The Donbass region now belongs to Russia, and Putin must do what Putin must do to defend his now Russian property.

The Ukraine shovel is now going to try and fight against a Russian bulldozer. Good luck on that one. I will put my money on the bulldozer. ?

Boges · October 20, 2022

23 minutes ago, taxme said:

America cannot win a nuclear war with Russia either. No one wins in a nuclear war. We all pretty much will die. Hello?? ?

Yes. DoP was indicating there are ways Russia could.

Boges · October 20, 2022

28 minutes ago, taxme said:

Is the CNN or the CBC your source? CBC being a bought off, and a controlled government entity, and CNN being owned and operated by the corporate elite globalists cabal? Both will only give us one side of the story and not the other.

So your preference is state-owned media vs corporate elite media?

Boges · October 20, 2022

17 minutes ago, taxme said:

The Ukraine shovel is now going to try and fight against a Russian bulldozer. Good luck on that one. I will put my money on the bulldozer. ?

The bulldozer that has seen upwards of 90,000 casualties since the start of the war. ?

taxme · October 20, 2022

39 minutes ago, Boges said:

That doesn't seem like a mission that requires a multi-year occupation.

It's cute that you believe those election results run by Russia.

An army that's continually having to retreat is not winning even though they continue to terrorize civilians.

Is it Poland and Germany's business?

He's losing awfully. The fact that he had to conscript people and give them only 2 weeks training is desperation.

Have you also not noticed the streams if fighting age Russians trying to flee the nation. He does not have popular support for this war.

The mission will go on until the main objective of the invasion is obtained.

I know that I am cute and lovable. ?

So, why would I not believe that the election results were on the up and up in the Donbass? Are you going to try and tell me that the election was a fixed election by Putin? What proof would you have of this, my little Zelensky supporter?

Again, what proof do you personally have that makes you believe that the Russian army is in retreat? Have you seen pictures of those retreats? or are they just more American and NATO media lies?

This feud is none of NATO members Poland or Germany's bloody business. This is not their battle. They are only in it because Russia cut off their gas supply. They asked for trouble from Russia and they got trouble from Russia.

Zelensky's own army had to get back up from other sources from around the world in order to try and keep up his losing fight that he was already losing. His own army could not defeat the Russians. So Zelensky needed help from outside sources. After all, he did always keep asking for more help from America and NATO. Maybe Zelensky also did the same thing as Putin did. Conscript more civilians into the fight. Hey, we never know, eh?

America had that same problem many decades ago when their youth fled America to try and avoid not getting conscripted into the military and then have to go to Vietnam to help fight that war. Mohammed Ali was one of those guys. President Johnson at the time did not have popular support for the Vietnam war. So, WTH is your point here?

To know one side of the story, is to know nothing at all. ?

Boges · October 20, 2022

9 minutes ago, taxme said:

The mission will go on until the main objective of the invasion is obtained.

I know that I am cute and lovable. ?

So, why would I not believe that the election results were on the up and up in the Donbass? Are you going to try and tell me that the election was a fixed election by Putin? What proof would you have of this, my little Zelensky supporter?

Again, what proof do you personally have that makes you believe that the Russian army is in retreat? Have you seen pictures of those retreats? or are they just more American and NATO media lies?

Even if the election was legit, which it wasn't, the regions are current warzones. So the people that actually lived there before the invasion have likely fled. Just like Russia is moving civilians away because they're about to get pwned by Ukraine in Kherson.

It's like evicting people from a building then sending a survey around asking if they support the landlord.

Quote

This feud is none of NATO members Poland or Germany's bloody business.

Just out of curiosity, do you think the Syrian Civil war is any of Russia's business? Should Iran not be supplying Russia with drones?

Quote

Zelensky's own army had to get back up from other sources from around the world in order to try and keep up his losing fight that he was already losing. His own army could not defeat the Russians. So Zelensky needed help from outside sources. After all, he did always keep asking for more help from America and NATO. Maybe Zelensky also did the same thing as Putin did. Conscript more civilians into the fight. Hey, we never know, eh?

This happens all the time. Nations supply other nations aide if their victory is in the interest of said nation. Ukraine was even getting military Aid from the US when your boy Trump was in power.

You're only butthurt about it here because you're a Putin Jock-Sniffer.

Quote

America had that same problem many decades ago when their youth fled America to try and avoid not getting conscripted into the military and then have to go to Vietnam to help fight that war. Mohammed Ali was one of those guys. President Johnson at the time did not have popular support for the Vietnam war. So, WTH is your point here?

The fact that you're comparing this conflict to Vietnam is telling. . . a war the US lost!

Vietnam was also a war where the Viet Kong and North Vietnamese were well supplied by the USSR. Sound familiar?

Edited October 20, 2022 by Boges

Boges · October 20, 2022

Also to expound on the Draft Dodger argument and a comparison to Vietnam, because it's hilarious.

Was Vietnam a just war? Because history would indicate it was not. AND that war wasn't an invasion by a Western power. The US wanted to protect the South from the North because of the spread of Communism.

Are those fleeing Russia now draft dodging cowards? Because that's certainly how those fleeing Vietnam service were seen at the time.

Edited October 20, 2022 by Boges

taxme · October 20, 2022

33 minutes ago, Boges said:

The bulldozer that has seen upwards of 90,000 casualties since the start of the war. ?

Shit happens in any and all wars. Plenty of people get maimed of killed. The only way to stop the casualties is to end all wars. Good luck with that.

Boges · October 20, 2022

1 minute ago, taxme said:

Shit happens in any and all wars. Plenty of people get maimed of killed. The only way to stop the casualties is to end all wars. Good luck with that.

Just for comparison, since you brought up Vietnam. The US lost just shy of 60,000 over the course of an 11 year war. And that was seen as appalling, to the point the war was finally ended.

The country you're rooting for has little value for human life.

Boges · October 20, 2022

Another Interesting paradox when we talk about "Military Aid".

Russia was able to expand the USSR in WW2, in part, because of US Aid. But because they were both fighting the same foe this was seen as good. But it became clear to Churchill that helping Stalin had created a monster and the Cold War happened.

NATO should feel no obligation to standby and watch Russia grab land to try and rebuild the Warsaw Pact. First it's Ukraine, but soon it'll be Poland and Germany.

It was land the USSR could take with help from the US, in the first place.

Edited October 20, 2022 by Boges

BeaverFever · October 20, 2022

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

The Ukraine and NATO forces are gathered to make a major assault on the Donbas region. Russia has declared martial law in the region and is evacuating major cities.

The shovel gets bigger.

Ukrainian forces, not “and NATO”. Dictators often declare martial law and forcibly relocate subjugated peoples from the lands they’ve invaded so this comes as no surprise especially since his army can’t stop losing.

BeaverFever · October 20, 2022

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

That's where I saw this. Are you saying its not true?

A link to Putin-contolled RT. LMAO. You’re such a puppet.

Edited October 20, 2022 by BeaverFever

Boges · October 20, 2022

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

Ukrainian forces, not “and NATO”. Dictators often declare martial law and forcibly relocate subjugated peoples from the lands they’ve invaded so this comes as no surprise especially since his army can’t stop losing.

I think this is the new Jock-Sniffer rhetoric. Because they are supplied with NATO weapons, they're NATO troops.

BeaverFever · October 20, 2022

Just now, Boges said:

I think this is the new Jock-Sniffer rhetoric. Because they are supplied with NATO weapons, they're NATO troops.

They’re mostly supplied with Russian weapons so they shouldn’t they actually be Russian troops?

taxme · October 20, 2022

16 minutes ago, Boges said:

Even if the election was legit, which it wasn't, the regions are current warzones. So the people that actually lived there before the invasion have likely fled. Just like Russia is moving civilians away because they're about to get pwned by Ukraine in Kherson.

It's like evicting people from a building then sending a survey around asking if they support the landlord.

Just out of curiosity, do you think the Syrian Civil war is any of Russia's business? Should Iran not be supplying Russia with drones?

This happens all the time. Nations supply other nations aide if their victory is in the interest of said nation. Ukraine was even getting military Aid from the US when your boy Trump was in power.

You're only butthurt about it here because you're a Putin Jock-Sniffer.

The fact that you're comparing this conflict to Vietnam is telling. . . a war the US lost!

Vietnam was also a war where the Viet Kong and North Vietnamese were well supplied by the USSR. Sound familiar?

Again, what proof do you have that the election was not legit? How would you know this little tidbit? Come on, man, stop trying to feed us with more of your leftist liberal bullshit. You know sweet dick all as to what is really going on in Ukraine. Hello?

Well, if the Ukraine decides to attack and bombs the Donbass region, then this is a sign of a real battle to come. The Donbass region now belongs to Russia. Russia must now defend and protect it's Russian property. Hello?

Hey stunned, people are always either removed or will flee from a war zone. Gesus, that brain bulb in your head is getting dimmer and dimmer every time I talk to you. Hello?

Just out of curiosity, do you think that this feud between Russia and Ukraine is any of Americas or NATO's business? Should America and NATO be supplying Ukraine with drones and so much more military hardware? Hello?

I know that this happens all the time that other nations will supply other nations with needed aid. Nothing new here, lefty. My boy, Trump was not President when the war between Russia and Ukraine really got going. Your hero demon crap BiDumb was the president. If Trump had of been in power at the time when this feud got going this battle between Russia and Ukraine would never have started. Trump would have tried to resolve the issue at hand or walk away. Trump did not want to get America involved in any wars. Trump was against getting America into any feuds between any countries.

I did not know that I was a Putin jock-sniffer? Interesting indeed. So, when did this all begin? Was it before or after the battle started? Chuckle-chuckle.

But of course, I can also believe that just maybe you are a Bidumb and Zelensky underwear sniffer? So, do they send you their dirty old underwear when they are finished with them? Yummy, eh. LOL. Just wondering?

And this war in the Ukraine may just cost America to lose another war. America just recently lost a war in Afghanistan also. America needs to get out of involving itself in some conflict in some country from somewhere on earth. The old war guard has to go.

And South Vietnam was well supplied with weapons from America. Sound familiar? ?

taxme · October 20, 2022

29 minutes ago, Boges said:

Just for comparison, since you brought up Vietnam. The US lost just shy of 60,000 over the course of an 11 year war. And that was seen as appalling, to the point the war was finally ended.

The country you're rooting for has little value for human life.

I am not rooting for America or Ukraine like you are doing.Those two countries always show that they have very little value for human life. Zelensky has even bombed many of his own people and buildings in order to try and make it look like Russia did it. this Nazi Zelensky has no love or care for life. He is just another globalist puppet doing the dirty work for the real globalist elite warmongers. Putin won't kiss their globalist stinking arse holes, so for the globalists, Putin must go. And Putin keeps telling them to go FO. ?

DogOnPorch · October 20, 2022

1 hour ago, taxme said:

America cannot win a nuclear war with Russia either. No one wins in a nuclear war. We all pretty much will die. Hello?? ?

I never stated anybody can win a nuclear war to be clear. That's just more feverish idiocy from the idiot warmongers.

But what the same twits do not get is that megaton weapons will generally not be doing ground bursts kicking-up a shit-storm of fallout like the Castle Bravo test. They'll instead be majority precise air-bursts of smaller yield where the fireball doesn't touch the ground unless some error is made...and there will be a few errors, minimum. Radiation will mainly be in the form of the ionizing variety that does not linger.

As for Viet-Nam...there were MILLIONS of casualties.

Boges · October 20, 2022

24 minutes ago, taxme said:

Again, what proof do you have that the election was not legit? How would you know this little tidbit? Come on, man, stop trying to feed us with more of your leftist liberal bullshit. You know sweet dick all as to what is really going on in Ukraine. Hello?

Can't prove a Negative. But as previously mentioned, this is a war zone, a referendum when Russia only occupies a portion of these regions and many of the cities are hollowed out is hardly representative.

Quote

Hey stunned, people are always either removed or will flee from a war zone. Gesus, that brain bulb in your head is getting dimmer and dimmer every time I talk to you. Hello?

Which is why the elections were junk and not recognized by anyone other than Russian zealots.

Quote

Just out of curiosity, do you think that this feud between Russia and Ukraine is any of Americas or NATO's business? Should America and NATO be supplying Ukraine with drones and so much more military hardware? Hello?

Yes. But you're the one saying they should stay out of Russia's business. I'm simply pointing out instances where Russia got involved in other countries civil wars. And how other countries have somewhat come to Russia's aid.

Quote

I know that this happens all the time that other nations will supply other nations with needed aid. Nothing new here, lefty. My boy, Trump was not President when the war between Russia and Ukraine really got going. Your hero demon crap BiDumb was the president. If Trump had of been in power at the time when this feud got going this battle between Russia and Ukraine would never have started. Trump would have tried to resolve the issue at hand or walk away. Trump did not want to get America involved in any wars. Trump was against getting America into any feuds between any countries.

The wars for regions you claim are now Russia have been going on since 2014. So part of the Obama area. Crimea was also illegally annexed.

Quote

I did not know that I was a Putin jock-sniffer? Interesting indeed. So, when did this all begin? Was it before or after the battle started? Chuckle-chuckle.

So you're not rooting for Putin to win the war? Member Nationalist would call you a slimeball. And tell you to go volunteer for the Russian army you coward!

Quote

But of course, I can also believe that just maybe you are a Bidumb and Zelensky underwear sniffer? So, do they send you their dirty old underwear when they are finished with them? Yummy, eh. LOL. Just wondering?

You think that's funny? Sheesh.

Quote

And this war in the Ukraine may just cost America to lose another war. America just recently lost a war in Afghanistan also. America needs to get out of involving itself in some conflict in some country from somewhere on earth. The old war guard has to go.

No Americans forces are in Ukraine fighting.

Quote

And South Vietnam was well supplied with weapons from America. Sound familiar? ?

Yeah. But their forces were actually fighting in the war too. So like the opposite of what's happening in Russia.

Edited October 20, 2022 by Boges

Aristides · October 20, 2022

10 minutes ago, taxme said:

I am not rooting for America or Ukraine like you are doing.Those two countries always show that they have very little value for human life. Zelensky has even bombed many of his own people and buildings in order to try and make it look like Russia did it. this Nazi Zelensky has no love or care for life. He is just another globalist puppet doing the dirty work for the real globalist elite warmongers. Putin won't kiss their globalist stinking arse holes, so for the globalists, Putin must go. And Putin keeps telling them to go FO. ?

The UN voted 143 to 5 condemning Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The 5 were Russia, Belarus, N. Korea, Syria and Nicaragua.

Boges · October 20, 2022

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

The UN voted 143 to 5 condemning Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The 5 were Russia, Belarus, N. Korea, Syria and Nicaragua.

Bad look for Nicaragua. I guess the Sandinistas are Ride or Die.

Aristides · October 20, 2022

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

Bad look for Nicaragua. I guess the Sandinistas are Ride or Die.

I thought that was odd as well. The others were no surprise.

Moonbox · October 20, 2022

1 hour ago, taxme said:

If you honestly believe that Putin will run away from those annexed in the Donbass then you are sadly mistaken. They now belong to Russia, and Russia must fight to protect them from Zelensky's Nazi invaders and keep them out. Putin has no choice now. His back is up against the wall. Zelensky is now trying to keep this feud going. Zelensky is the culprit here, and not Putin.

You're probably right that Putin has no choice, but then he also doesn't have a combat-effective army either, so his choice is irrelevant. He can claim and rant about whatever he wants, but the fact is that his rotten regime has yielded a dysfunctional and unmotivated army with shitty equipment that can't hold on to what he's tried to grab.

The demented logic of blaming the defending nation for the conflict is...bizarre.

1 hour ago, taxme said:

It is that idiot loser Nazi corrupt Zelensky that is going to try and take those regions back and that will be his big mistake. Zelensky should just quit while he is ahead seeing that he took some regions back from Russia and be happy. Why keep this going any longer is my point. But then, who gives a shit about my point, eh? ?

Nobody gives a shit about your point because it's absurd. The narrative that Putin has tried to write throughout this conflict is farcical and this is self-evident to anyone outside the Russian information space with a brain. The fact they are still calling it a "special operation" 7 months into the conflict, after thousands of Russian soldiers have died and after their first draft since WW2 is ample evidence of how detached from reality the whole fiction is.

The regime is built on lies. My OP explained the problem and we're seeing it play out on the ground. The rationale for the invasion was balogna. The estimates for weak Ukrainian resistance were fantasy. No bioweapon labs were found. Russian soldiers aren't finding Nazis everywhere, nor are they being greeted as liberators. They're not encountering NATO formations. Conscripts are not getting the training they were promised.

Russians soldiers are not interested in the fight because they can see better than anyone that the story Putin tried to sell them was horseshit.

Moonbox · October 20, 2022

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I'm telling you what I read. Do you have info that says otherwise?

Show us your source and what you read. Are you trying to say that there are NATO units on the ground? I could quote dozens of sources saying there isn't, but proving a negative claim is always much, much harder than proving the affirmative. If it's true, show us proof. If you can't, then your claim is worthless. Still, I'm not even really sure what it is you're trying to say.

TreeBeard · October 20, 2022

3 hours ago, taxme said:

Putin went into Ukraine to try and destroy dozens of bio weapons labs. Bio weapons that Putin believed that corrupt Zelensky and NATO would be used against Russia one day.

Why would NATO have a bio-weapons lab in a non-NATO country right next to Russia? Why not just keep them in the USA?

Even if this were true, why should only Russia be able to have bio-weapons?