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Is Giorgia Meloni Far-Right?


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2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Meloni's little love notes to the past Fascists are exactly what they love.

For example?

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2. Or like the Meloni government official saying gay folks shouldn't be free to adopt,

I'll admit that I'd be pretty leery of letting two guys adopt my son if I knew I was dying or something, but I also understand that there definitely are gay couples who are great parents and it's unfair to deny them the right. 

I'm wishy washy AF on this one. If I lived in a country where gays weren't allowed to adopt I don't think I'd join protests with them. I put the safety of kids way ahead of the rights of adults, but then it's a certainty that there are straight couples who shouldn't be allowed to raise kids either. 

tough call.

I guess the world has come to the point where gay men can adopt and it was a bold move, but I really think there needs to be a Woody Allen law, where marrying an adopted child becomes illegal. It's disgusting.

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trying to ban Peppa Pig.  You're on my side on this.

I thought that it was just one episode? 

TBH I don't know anything about Peppa Pig, but I did some googling and theoretically Peppa is banned in China because she promotes gangster attitudes.

This is funny, I hope it's a spoof: https://www.halaltimes.com/muslim-launches-peppa-pig-ban-campaign-son-announces-wants-hog/ 

Some places say it's banned in Saudi, some say it's not, some say it's banned in most countries in the ME, some say it's just banned in China, I specifically checked Israel and I think it's not banned there.

Seems like banning Peppa in entire countries is some kind of running joke, but I don't think it's funny if she wants to ban all of Peppa. It's pretty sad.

 

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3. Left AND fascists are anti-religion ?  Ok, well maybe...  Fascists were always right-wing...

Mussolini and Hitler were both socialists. They're the exact opposite of "small government", ie right-wing. Fascists need control of everything, and some examples of German fascism are the Gesundheitspass, which did the exact same thing as the vaccine passport and had just as much of a scientific basis. Another example is freezing the bank accounts of dissidents. That's LPOC territory. As is control of social media and the media. LPOC, LPOC, and LPOC all day.

it's really bizarre to see people making connections to Naziism now, with a woman who hasn't done anything yet, when they never noticed it under Trudeau.  

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4. Not really.  The Fascists are all about 'cleaning up the scum' ... etc. 

So in Canada that's the "unvaxxed" and in the US it's "white nationalists", and the "extreme MAGA republicans" who are all terrorists....

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Nazis also were concerned about the birth rate so had so-called pro family policies including clamping down on birth control so... 

Quebec just called. They wanna get a more comprehensive list, just to make sure that they're not missing anything.

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 It's not up to Meloni's far-right government to confuse children about real families and the freedom to be who you are.

The whole idea of changing genders at will is really appealing to kids, just like the idea that they can become princesses if they want to, but they actually don't get to be princesses at all, and if they change genders they don't get to have kids. 

To give them the idea that they can make extreme lifestyle choices before they understand the concept of consequences is sickening. 

You're moving ahead with a culture that thinks:

18-yr-olds aren't capable of understanding the consequences of signing up for a student loan, and

8-yr-olds are capable of understanding the consequences of genital mutilation. 

I'm not gonna pretend to respect your opinion on this one. 

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On 9/26/2022 at 1:54 AM, Infidel Dog said:

Why is that "far-right." Not too long ago it was mainstream.

Not true. Ronald Reagan would be considered a communist by today’s MAGAs and even yesterday’s neocons

The fact that her party is the decedent of Mussolini’s MSI party and that Meloni has had to remind people that she  “no longer” supports fascism and “no longer” admires Mussolini are clues. So is the fact that her “Brothers of Italy” party still uses Mussolini-era logos to this day. Coincidentally she recently and suddenly  “no longer” admires Putin although her Putin admiring is well established and she’s only recently tried to hop on the anti-Putin bandwagon. 
 

When your best defence is to say you’re “no longer” an admirer of one of the 20th century’s biggest villains (the dumb one in the villain club at that)….that’s kind of a giveaway that you’re not great. 

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3 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Everybody is now either far right or far left. There is no middle. Fence sitting just earns one a picket up the butt. So relish your new role and I'll embrace mine.

 

No they aren't and its only the far's on either side who think so. For the first time in history, independents form more than 50% of the US electorate. They are just trying to decide which dumbass they dislike the least.

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4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Not true. Ronald Reagan would be considered a communist by today’s MAGAs and even yesterday’s neocons

Weird, because they all say the opposite. Reagan is one of the most beloved Republicans of the last 100 years.

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The fact that her party is the decedent of Mussolini’s MSI party

The Dems aren't merely descended in a roundabout way from the Dem party that gave rise to the KKK, they're still the exact same Dem party that gave rise to the KKK and did everything in their power to stop blacks from voting. 

There's not a political party in the world with a dirtier history than the Dems, and they're still dividing the country racially to this day.

 

Unfortunately for the world, shit has gone so out of control that Giorgia Meloni is probably the best leader of a sovereign nation on the planet.  

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Lauren Southern notices that if you get past the demagoguery and just pay attention to what Giorgia Meloni's policies are they're just obvious common sense solutions.

She makes a cool point at the end of her video below too. She says:

"The only way to protect all people no matter what their politics are; no matter what their identity is, is to find a common sense balance again. 

And with the Overton Window having gone so far leftward that it is falling off the edge a middle ground can genuinely only be found in what we are now calling "the far right." That is where the middle used to be." 

 

 

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10 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Not true. Ronald Reagan would be considered a communist by today’s MAGAs and even yesterday’s neocons

 

Obama's low tax rates and Clintons welfare cuts would have made them extreme right wing heroes in the age of Goldwater.

But don't ask Trumpians and people who call Romney a Marxist about history. 

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6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Clintons welfare cuts would have made them extreme right wing heroes

I had no problem with Bill Clinton. I didn't even want him impeached just for having an affair. It's his lizard of a wife that I can't stand. 

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But don't ask Trumpians and people who call Romney a Marxist about history. 

I think that if you're being honest, you'll have to admit that it's leftists here who are oblivious to history. 

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On 9/25/2022 at 10:54 PM, Infidel Dog said:

Why is that "far-right." Not too long ago it was mainstream.

The party she leads was formed by supporters of Mussolini.  Far right.
 

Yes, not that long ago gays were arrested and beaten and outlawed. Now, only far right people want that to happen.  
 

So why is it such a mystery to you that she would be considered “far right”?

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2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

The party she leads was formed by supporters of Mussolini.  Far right.

Kind of, but not really. More like one-time supporters "post Mussolini." Post meaning after.

Try this one that fleshes out the leftist, BS talking point that has Giorgia screaming on street corners today demanding Italians follow the preachings of Mussolini.

As a teenage activist, Giorgia Meloni had once praised Mussolini

She doesn't, of course.

But as a teenager she joined a youth movement formed by supporters of Mussolini after the war. It was there she told French television Mussolini was a good politician because of his policies that helped Italy, or something like that.

As she grew up she denounced Mussolini for his authoritarianism, racism, and entering WWII on the side of Hitler.

As a youth she was also a fan of Lord of the Rings and was part of a group that would dress as Hobbits for conventions and such. That doesn't mean she wants Italians to recreate the Shire.

Try this one:

 

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On 9/28/2022 at 12:17 AM, WestCanMan said:

Weird, because they all say the opposite. Reagan is one of the most beloved Republicans of the last 100 years.

They love his myth and persona but they would consider many of his “moderate” policies would be considered heresy by today’s Republican extremists.  Reagan is the godfather of globalism and corporatism which was standard conservative capitalist policy at the time. He was also known for bipartisanship and compromise, something else that today’s Republican Taliban considers strictly  Haram  

As Governor of California Reagan also enacted strict gun control,  protected California’s wilderness from development and created the air resources board, and REDUCED restrictions to abortions  

As president he enacted laws to protect the ozone layer and stop acid rain, raised taxes multiple times, increased the federal workforce by hundreds of thousands of people, raised the debt ceiling 18 times and almost tripled the federal debt. He also signed the Brady Bill gun control law, and granted amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants  

…But I’ll bet most Republicans today are absolutely clueless about Reagan and just make up whatever they want to believe. 

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42 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

They love his myth and persona but they would consider many of his “moderate” policies would be considered heresy by today’s Republican extremists.  Reagan is the godfather of globalism and corporatism which was standard conservative capitalist policy at the time. He was also known for bipartisanship and compromise, something else that today’s Republican Taliban considers strictly  Haram  

Expanding America's corporate interests wasn't anti-conservative. 

Bipartisan politics are not anti-conservative. As a matter of fact, the Civil Rights Act had more support from Republicans than Democrats in both Congress and the Senate, despite the fact that it was a Democrat bill

Can you find me another example of a bill that had more support from across the aisle than from its originating party in the whole history of US or Canadian federal, state, or provincial politics? Can you find an example of that from anywhere else in the world? 

Get a life.

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As Governor of California Reagan also enacted strict gun control,  protected California’s wilderness from development and created the air resources board, and REDUCED restrictions to abortions  

Do you need me to explain the Mulford Act to you Beave? Do you really think that banning people from brandishing loaded weapons in public was anti-conservative?

Was protecting forests anti-conservative?

FYI legalized abortion isn't anathema to conservatives. The majority of conservatives support legal abortion within reason. 

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As president he enacted laws to protect the ozone layer and stop acid rain,

Are you seriously pretending that the majority of conservatives love acid rain? 

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He also signed the Brady Bill gun control law,

Conservatives, to a far greater extent than leftards, are in favour of gun control for felons. Background checks don't prevent non-criminals from access to firearms in the US.

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and granted amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants  

Reagan was able to get border legislation passed which appealed to both sides of the debate. Bipartisan politics again.

In case you were unaware, it's not actually Republicans who are completely immersed in partisan politics. Dems are strictly partisan, to the point where female Dems who vote against Dem bills get harassed all the way onto the toilet by their own activists. Dems weaponize the DOJ, IRS and FBI against their political opponents.

You say a lot for a person who is so focused on remaining ignorant. 

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First Liz Truss, then Giorgia  Meloni, now Brazil is headed to a run off with a right of center candidate, or “fascist”.

How many heads will explode around here if yet another nation freely elects a conservative?  Looks like voting Trump in was just being ahead of the curve.

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15 hours ago, sharkman said:

First Liz Truss, then Giorgia  Meloni, now Brazil is headed to a run off with a right of center candidate, or “fascist”.

How many heads will explode around here if yet another nation freely elects a conservative?  Looks like voting Trump in was just being ahead of the curve.

Liz Truss hasn’t been elected, she’s only won her party’s leadership race. 

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On 9/27/2022 at 3:15 PM, WestCanMan said:

Fascists are big government, anti-freedoms, anti-religion, and they want to BE the culture, like the Nazis under Hitler and obviously Mussolini's fascist gov't. They're always socialists, which is as "left wing" as it gets.

We’ve seen that today’s MAGA types have no problem using “big government” when it’s convenient:  book bans, Reedy Creek, bathroom laws, saggy pants laws, prescribing in fine detail what school teachers must and must not say, etc.

 

Texas just passed a law REQUIRING every school in the state to put up a “In God We Trust” sign if one was donated to the school, just conveniently when a religious Christian group had just a bunch of those signs ready for donation to schools which I’m sure is just some rare coincidence.  Then as protest, groups started donating those signs with Pride flags or Islamic symbols etc, so then the state FORBADE those signs. There’s nothing “small government” about any of that. There’s also nothing “small government” about micromanaging a woman’s pregnancy or miscarriage under threat of serious criminal charges or making it a crime to advise women in how to get a legal abortion out-of state.  
 

Republicans have made the culture war their primary battle ground and are increasingly using the power of the state to enforce it.  Conservative hero Orban gave a rant against race and culture mixing that’s not a culture war?

 

Its also a big fat lie that fascist are socialists they are anti-socialists.  They jailed and killed socialists by the thousands  They rant about the evils of socialism, the left and Marx in every speech  The idiotic right wing argument is based entirely on the fact that the Nazis called themselves  “National Socialists”…..Word Bingo idiocy by dumbass simpletons who don’t know shit from shinola  

On 9/27/2022 at 3:15 PM, WestCanMan said:

n this society left means: huge social spending platforms, anti-religion, no freedom of speech, no bodily autonomy, no rule of law, no constitution, etc. Every one of those 'values' is fascist in nature. 

 

“No freedom of speech” says the guy who wants to ban books and gag teachers

“No bodily autonomy” says the guy who wants to micromanage women’s pregnancies and miscarriages under threat of harsh criminal punishment  

“No rule of law and no constitution” says the guy who wants to illegally and unconstitutionally overturn the results of a presidential election just based on his say-so, despite having zero evidence and having failed at every step of due process  

 

Also do you realize that you literally support a Russian dictator who literally murders and jails people who publicly criticize him?

 


 

 

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2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

We’ve seen that today’s MAGA types have no problem using “big government” when it’s convenient:  book bans, Reedy Creek, bathroom laws, saggy pants laws, prescribing in fine detail what school teachers must and must not say, etc.

Can you explain which one of these things are true, or they all just a bunch of examples of you lying again?

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