Is liberalism in politics the new Atheism where humans are nothing more than animals?

[blackbird]

I ask this because of liberal politicians (includes the Liberal, NDP, Greens and what have you) support policies and ideology contrary to the sanctity of human life, traditional family structure and traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs which built western civilization.  Medical assistance in dying is granted as human life is worthless and individual choice takes precedence over what our Creator God has commanded in the west's historic Judeo-Christian belief system.  This is also evident in the pro choice for abortion for all in any circumstances.  This is also the case in the curriculums taught in schools called SOGI, sexual orientation and gender identity.  They support a free for all and every individual can do their own thing.  That is all that matters.

Evolution, a debunked and unsupported theory, is still taught in public schools as if it is the gospel truth.  Evolutionism is really nothing more than the denial of God and the teaching that man is nothing more than an animal with no purpose in his existence.  This denial of accountability to God is what has led to doctor-assisted death, widespread abortion, and will further move man to the survival of the fittest.  The public health care system need not be funded to provide the best care for everyone because humans are just animals and will die off anyway.  If there is not enough money for public health care for everyone, so what?  It will be provided according to the budget and those who can't get the necessary treatment to survive, will just have to die off as they are only animals anyway according to evolutionism or Darwinism.  And if one is not happy with the system, they can always request MAID, the final solution, which will put them out of their misery.

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Mankind is a doomed race in a dying universe.  Because the human race will eventually cease to exist, it makes no ultimate difference whether it ever did exist.  Mankind is thus no more significant than a swarm of mosquitos or a barnyard of pigs, for their end is all the same.  The same blind cosmic process that coughed them up in the first place will eventually swallow them all again.  

And the same is true of each individual person.  The contributions of the scientist to the advance of human knowledge, the researches of the doctor to alleviate pain and suffering, the efforts of the diplomat to secure peace in the world, the sacrifices of good men everywhere to better the lot of the human race - all these come to nothing.  This is the horror of modern man: because he ends in nothing, he is nothing."

"When Darwin deduced the theory of natural selection to explain the adaptation in which he had previously seen the handiwork of God, he knew that he was committing cultural murder.  He understood immediately that if natural selection explained adaptations, and evolution by descent were true, then the argument from design was dead and all that went with it, namely the existence of a personal god, free will, life after death, immutable moral laws, and ultimate meaning in life." (William Provine)

 Unquote  -from Darwin's Universe, From Nothing, By Nothing, For Nothing - Survival for Nothing.   Is this what liberalism is all about and the driving force behind political liberal policies, and even other parties policies, and governance?  I tend to think so.

 This is the thinking and ideology of Darwinism, evolutionism, liberalism or the New Atheism and is the reason for the atheistic, evolutionary curriculum in public schools and the general ideology of almost all political parties, particularly the left leaning Socialists and liberals.

Edited September 12, 2022 by blackbird

[Michael Hardner]

This post is a mishmash.  'Liberalism" with a small l is a believe in freedom and markets, so strike the Greens and NDP off the list.  Pretty much every thinking person believes in evolution, including popes.

I think you don't like the way the world is changing, which is fine I suppose.

[Nationalist]

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

This post is a mishmash.  'Liberalism" with a small l is a believe in freedom and markets, so strike the Greens and NDP off the list.  Pretty much every thinking person believes in evolution, including popes.

I think you don't like the way the world is changing, which is fine I suppose.

Oh I don't know. The mishmash makes sense to me. Liberalism may have been a belief in freedom and markets. It no longer is. Today liberalism is the worship of fear. It is opposed to freedom and markets. It's edicts tear at the foundations of a civil and peaceful society. Liberalism uses fear to justify the destruction of freedom and markets.

[Michael Hardner]

58 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

1. Oh I don't know.  

Sorry - I wasn't talking to you.  Start a thread on the topic.  Also I encourage you to provide a cite to said post should you choose to do it.

[Queenmandy85]

I respectfully disagree with the OP. We see evolution at work all the time. Germs evolve to survive antibiotics. We use an antibiotic to treat an infection. It kills 99.9% of the bacteria but 0.1% have a mutated genethat gives them an immunity to the antibiotic and they reproduce passing on that mutated gene, so the antibiotic loses effectiveness. That is evolution.

My main disagreement is the idea that God choses favourites. Why would God favour humans over dogs, cats,  bats and viruses. We are ALL God's creatures. All living organisms have a soul. There is no heirarchy of souls. The idea that humans are God's chosen creatures is akin to believing in war that God is on our side. In war, God is saddened at the behaviour of all sides.

However, just because I disagree does not mean to say you are wrong and I am right.

 

 

Edited September 12, 2022 by Queenmandy85

[Nationalist]

46 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Sorry - I wasn't talking to you.  Start a thread on the topic.  Also I encourage you to provide a cite to said post should you choose to do it.

Tough.

No.

Carbon taxation and unreasonable lockdowns. How's that for starters?

[Nationalist]

7 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I will talk about the difference between democracy and authoritarianism. 

These 2 particular, I will call them ways of thinking ? you find them all over the place, does not matter the country. 

Here in Canada, lots of Liberals and Conservatives support democracy, but you have so called liberals and conservatives that really are of the authorianism mind frame, they just chose whatever is closest to them.

It is hard for them to admit it because society will go against them, but this is how I see things, they are like chameleons.

They belong with Vladimir and the Russian KGB preacher however they happened to be born here, they need to adapt. I understand the struggle that some of you go through really. 

We are like in a jungle and really there are 2 ways:

a) The jungle being ran by the authorianism which means a few "strong" ones that "know" what is best for society. This is the Putinistic - Xi way of thinking. Trump can go in there too, the system just does not allow him. 

b) The jungle being ran by democracy, which is not a perfect system by far, but at least it allows even the vulnerable in society to have a voice. I rather our so called "weak" politicians any day than what the alternative is. 

And if you are flirting with a) I recommend a 1 week vacation Belarus, in Minsk. 

Question: How is Trump an "authoritarian"?

[Nationalist]

19 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

He's not, he probably could never be one.

The engineers of the Western System limit power to such individuals and their followers.

They can try.

I mean you never know, with the hunger and the economic downfall that is coming, the system can change upside down here too. 

I think if that happens I will move to the North Pole and relax there for the rest of days. I won't be able to see the West fall to such absurdity. 

Yaaa...I'll be moving to a nice small town on a lake.

[eyeball]

50 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

My main disagreement is the idea that God choses favourites. Why would God favour humans over dogs, cats, bats and viruses.

Why would God favour righties over lefties?

 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I respectfully disagree with the OP. We see evolution at work all the time. Germs evolve to survive antibiotics. We use an antibiotic to treat an infection. It kills 99.9% of the bacteria but 0.1% have a mutated genethat gives them an immunity to the antibiotic and they reproduce passing on that mutated gene, so the antibiotic loses effectiveness. That is evolution.

My main disagreement is the idea that God choses favourites. Why would God favour humans over dogs, cats,  bats and viruses. We are ALL God's creatures. All living organisms have a soul. There is no heirarchy of souls. The idea that humans are God's chosen creatures is akin to believing in war that God is on our side. In war, God is saddened at the behaviour of all sides.

However, just because I disagree does not mean to say you are wrong and I am right.

 

 

You just proved what the OP says.  You as a liberal are also an evolutionist or Darwinist and believe man is just another animal to be treated as such.

Many scientists, paleontologists etc. do not believe in evolution or Darwinism for a number of key reasons.

One of Charles Darwin's greatest fears which he stated was that the fossil record would not support his theory of evolution with a record of transitional fossils.  This nightmare for him turned out to be true.  If evolution were a fact one would think there would be millions of transitional fossils showing the changes from one species to another over the hundreds of millions of years.  But they do not exist.  By and large the fossils are clear fossils of each species.  They do not show  transitions from one species to another.  Renowned paleontologists will tell you this.

Creationists do not disagree with the fact that mutations do occur at times as in the case of viruses or bacteria building resistance to antibiotics.  But this is not  Darwinian evolution.  An example would be the new strains of Covid viruses that come out from time to time.  Nobody disagrees about that.  That is not Darwinism or evolution from one species to another. 

Holy Scripture says God created man in his own image and it says he gave man dominion over all fish, animals and the earth.  He did not make man as just another animal but created him with a special place in the universe and in this way ordained the sanctity of human life.  Evolutionism or Darwinism of course denies this and treats man as just another animal as my OP describes.  That is what liberalism and most politicians embrace.  So don't expect to be treated much better than another animal in the long run because that is what their ideology teaches them.  In fact the public school system is teaching all children the same ideology.  Liberalism is in the process of murdering Judeo-Christian culture and respect for human life and religious beliefs.  We can expect nothing but evil and further destruction of everything society stood for over the millenium.

Edited September 12, 2022 by blackbird

[West]

I'd say yes. It's commu-fascism. 

[RedDog]

Some very interesting thoughts and comments. I’m increasing feeling relieved to be age 62 and single. At times I feel I’m watching any form of orderly society collapse before my eyes.

At it’s worse, I’m beginning to think anyone actually having kids  today are greedy and self centred - people actually harming the world and putting resources at risk.

The end of us is going to be ugly but fortunately I won’t be around to see it.

[herbie]

You an I are nothing but mammals
so let's do it like they do
on the Discovery Channel

-to get away from the His Lordship Pompousass tone of discussion

[Aristides]

4 hours ago, RedDog said:

Some very interesting thoughts and comments. I’m increasing feeling relieved to be age 62 and single. At times I feel I’m watching any form of orderly society collapse before my eyes.

At it’s worse, I’m beginning to think anyone actually having kids  today are greedy and self centred - people actually harming the world and putting resources at risk.

The end of us is going to be ugly but fortunately I won’t be around to see it.

How well do you think we will function as a nation of geezers?

 

[RedDog]

26 minutes ago, Aristides said:

How well do you think we will function as a nation of geezers?

 

Fair question. I’m suggesting we aren’t going to be a functioning society or culture irrespective of the age of anyone. Access to food and especially water will ensure such.

[Zeitgeist]

Hariri has referred to humans as “hackable animals.”   The Liberals see the masses as people who need to be told how to think and act.  

[Zeitgeist]

And now Canada is looking at euthanizing babies: https://nationalpost.com/opinion/chris-selley-euthanasia-for-infants-ottawa-is-ill-equipped-to-push-back/wcm/25d2ca8c-a757-41a9-8218-b1c6abffdb40/amp/

I’m ashamed of this country.  I’m going to start referring to myself as British, as I’m a dual citizen.  Even though I was born in Canada and grew up here, this country is so lost, I don’t know how anyone could support this Chinese-style totalitarian mess that is Trudeau’s Canada.  

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

And now Canada is looking at euthanizing babies (Trudeau’s Canada)

Please do not for one second stop attributing any awful thing that comes up to Trudeau.  I would be severely disappointed if that were to happen.

[Zeitgeist]

43 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Please do not for one second stop attributing any awful thing that comes up to Trudeau.  I would be severely disappointed if that were to happen.

He’s just the chief figurehead of the woke mob that runs this place.  

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

He’s just the chief figurehead of the woke mob that runs this place.  

You know he wears black face right? You know he's done it a handful of times right?

Do you know anybody who's done that?

 

If I wore black face, then told you I was woke would you believe me?

 

Find it odd how people who don't like Trudeau actually believe what he says...

[Nationalist]

I don't think Gawd does pick favorites. I think...in a way...we do.

We live in 2 completely separate realities. Our conscious, awake reality and our unconscious dream reality. We know each exist, yet many think the dream state is just a product of sleep. But our minds are hardly used at any time and different part of it are used in each state of consciousness. Indeed our minds are powerful beyond our understanding. So what would happen if it was all activated all at once? Like...for a flash right at the moment of our bodies dying?

They say free will is a bitch and it is. I "believe" in Gawd and an existence after corporeal death...thus I will have "life after death". Those who die as non-believers...truly die and are gone forever.

Free will. We choose.

[West]

On 9/12/2022 at 6:27 AM, Nationalist said:

Oh I don't know. The mishmash makes sense to me. Liberalism may have been a belief in freedom and markets. It no longer is. Today liberalism is the worship of fear. It is opposed to freedom and markets. It's edicts tear at the foundations of a civil and peaceful society. Liberalism uses fear to justify the destruction of freedom and markets.

Their idea of freedom is men walking around on leashes while another man spanks their g string covered bottom with a ping pong paddle.