Aristides Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: At what point are we talking about more than one person in your opinion? China committed partial birth abortions of viable fetuses — babies — just prior to the natural birth delivery date. That’s perfectly legal in Canada too. Don’t care? Woman’s body, her choice? Legal or not, except in extreme circumstances, abortions are not done in Canada past 20 weeks. That is reality. Edited June 26, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, Aristides said: Legal or not, except in extreme circumstances, abortions are not done in Canada past 20 weeks. That is reality. I already know of factual counter-examples. You can’t point to individual rights without confronting the fact of more than one person’s interests. Many states draw the line at first trimester. States can draft any kind of legislation they want for abortion. It’s no longer a federal matter. In Canada it is and there are no legal limitations on gestation period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 On 6/24/2022 at 3:03 PM, West said: Canada should be as unsafe for abortion as America. FIFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said: I already know of factual counter-examples. You can’t point to individual rights without confronting the fact of more than one person’s interests. Many states draw the line at first trimester. States can draft any kind of legislation they want for abortion. It’s no longer a federal matter. In Canada it is and there are no legal limitations on gestation period. Not legal but there are definite limitations. Canadian clinics and doctors do not do abortions past 20 weeks other than in exceptional circumstances. Women who wanted them have had to go elsewhere. In Canada the criminal code is federal. Provinces could not make it a crime even if the SC hadn’t ruled. Edited June 26, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 Great level of argument. Call out something common as a generalization, then quote something obscure and rare as common.... the definition of generalization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 On 6/25/2022 at 10:55 PM, Aristides said: Men like to talk about abortion as a birth control measure. Maybe men should take their own responsibility for birth control. Of course, they won't, they will just talk about it and blame women when they get pregnant.. And here I thought this was a women-only choice, or so the narrative goes, "my body my choice" so who really has the ultimate choice, who owns the responsibility for taking birth control, women. Now if you are both responsible adults, then both should ensure some protection is being taken. and not have to rely on a medical procedure as a primary choice.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Army Guy said: And here I thought this was a women-only choice, or so the narrative goes, "my body my choice" so who really has the ultimate choice, who owns the responsibility for taking birth control, women. Now if you are both responsible adults, then both should ensure some protection is being taken. and not have to rely on a medical procedure as a primary choice.. As you just said, ultimately it is all on the woman so why shouldn't it be her choice? Why should men get to decide for her when they do not bear responsibility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 21 minutes ago, Aristides said: As you just said, ultimately it is all on the woman so why shouldn't it be her choice? Why should men get to decide for her when they do not bear responsibility? Because we live in a democratic society, or did you think that just the women in parliament got to vote on making abortion legal here in Canada. We should be able to talk about any topic that our nation has laws on. It's how we solve problems in our nation through discussion. As the laws impact all of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 On 6/25/2022 at 10:54 PM, Aristides said: Health care is a provincial jurisdiction. Whatever Trudeau says, provinces will decide what services they give to Americans unless the Feds are willing to pay for it. Quote And yes it is concerning that there might be a flood of people coming into Canada for medical procedures when our medical system is already stressed to the breaking point. How does who jurisdiction it is going to reflect on health care systems across the nation are stressed to the breaking point? And Justin won't do anything for Canadians what makes you think he is going to give more funds to the provinces for US citizens. Besides Canadians will just grin and bare it anyways, do they even care enough about health care? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 45 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Because we live in a democratic society, or did you think that just the women in parliament got to vote on making abortion legal here in Canada. We should be able to talk about any topic that our nation has laws on. It's how we solve problems in our nation through discussion. As the laws impact all of us. This law only impacts women. Men can discuss it all they want and then walk away and leave women with the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, Army Guy said: How does who jurisdiction it is going to reflect on health care systems across the nation are stressed to the breaking point? And Justin won't do anything for Canadians what makes you think he is going to give more funds to the provinces for US citizens. Besides Canadians will just grin and bare it anyways, do they even care enough about health care? Provinces have no obligation to give health care to Americans regardless of what Trudeau says. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 9 hours ago, Aristides said: This law only impacts women. Men can discuss it all they want and then walk away and leave women with the problem. The state has a role to prevent the bodily harm of people. At what point are we talking about more than one person than the mom? There was a lot of argument on here about the importance of sacrificing individual discretion over vaccination for the well-being of others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 14 hours ago, Aristides said: This law only impacts women. Men can discuss it all they want and then walk away and leave women with the problem. Because all men do that, because couples don't exist in your world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 14 hours ago, Aristides said: Provinces have no obligation to give health care to Americans regardless of what Trudeau says. Your 100 % right, but I don't see us shutting the border down to American women, do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted June 30, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) On 6/25/2022 at 4:25 PM, herbie said: The heart of the matter. If we force our women to breed we won't have to worry about being 'replaced'. Yes such an honourable motive to outlaw abortions. Lol - who's forcing our women to breed? Let's not get so dramatic here. The heart of the matter. There is no longer any excuse for anyone to get pregnant in the first place, if they don't want to. NONE! Look at all the variety of contraceptives! Edited June 30, 2022 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) On 6/27/2022 at 12:02 AM, Aristides said: This law only impacts women. Men can discuss it all they want and then walk away and leave women with the problem. it impacts the unborn child as well women are not the only one's involved the idea that only women should determine abortion law is both sexist and asinine Edited June 30, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 The subject is not if abortion being good or bad, it's about the false premise that Canada is "inviting" women here to have one. 14 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: the idea that only women should determine abortion law is both sexist and asinine I knew you'd think so. Misogynist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 On 6/27/2022 at 11:37 AM, Army Guy said: Because all men do that, because couples don't exist in your world. Married to the same woman for 53 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 16 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: it impacts the unborn child as well women are not the only one's involved the idea that only women should determine abortion law is both sexist and asinine So what is your involvement other than master? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Aristides said: So what is your involvement? that has nothing to do with anything Edited July 1, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: that has nothing to do with anything Yes master. On second thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: Yes master. On second thought. you're the one who supports infringing on actual rights who made you master? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: you're the one who supports infringing on actual rights who made you master? What right is that, your right to be overlord of women’s bodies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Aristides said: What right is that, your right to be overlord of women’s bodies? the 10th amendment an actual right in the constitution not one you made up Edited July 1, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: the 10th amendment an actual right in the constitution not one you made up So claim the right to be overlord of women’s bodies based on states rights. Still makes you a misogynist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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