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33 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

this isn't men vs women

plenty of women agree that it's up to state to decide

and most of them want some restrictions placed on abortion

What is plenty? Certainly not a majority.

If men don't want it to be men vs women, men should stay out of it because abortions do not apply to them.

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31 minutes ago, Aristides said:

What is plenty? Certainly not a majority.

If men don't want it to be men vs women, men should stay out of it because abortions do not apply to them.

men should not stay out of it

it's their child too

the vast majority of women are in favor of abortion restrictions

yet you want to impose your beliefs on them

while pretending it's the other side who wants to do that

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10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Since when is letting someone choose for themselves, imposing my beliefs on anyone?

Until men can get abortions, they should definitely stay out of it.

you are imposing your beliefs on states and people in those states who want to restrict abortion

women are not the only people who abortion effects just because they are the only ones who can have an abortion

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2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

you are imposing your beliefs on states and people in those states who want to restrict abortion

women are not the only people who abortion effects just because they are the only ones who can have an abortion

Yes they want to take away the right to choose and impose their ideology on others.

They pretty much are because they are the only ones who can have an abortion. Men are entitled to an opinion. That's all.

 

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1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Yes they want to take away the right to choose and impose their ideology on others.

They pretty much are because they are the only ones who can have an abortion. Men are entitled to an opinion. That's all.

they are entitled to effect legislation as well

if you don't like that, too bad

there is no right to choose to kill babies

the states are free to restrict abortion as they see fit

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2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

they are entitled to effect legislation as well

if you don't like that, too bad

there is no right to choose to kill babies

the states are free to restrict abortion as they see fit

If society forces women to have babies, society should  be prepared to look after them. It's the least they can do.

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3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

If society forces women to have babies, society should  be prepared to look after them. It's the least they can do.

they are

that's what adoption is for

no one is forcing women to be mothers

they have the right to choose not to be

they don't have the right to kill babies though

there is a difference

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2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

they are

that's what adoption is for

no one is forcing women to be mothers

they have the right to choose not to be

they don't have the right to kill babies though

there is a difference

Adoption is done by individuals, not society.

By forcing women to have children you are forcing them to be mothers.

That's the thing about you so called pro lifers. Once they are born, you lose interest in them, your work is done and you no longer give a shit.. 

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8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Adoption is done by individuals, not society.

By forcing women to have children you are forcing them to be mothers.

That's the thing about you so called pro lifers. Once they are born, you lose interest in them, your work is done and you no longer give a shit.. 

false

women are free to give up their children for adoption

no one is forcing them to be mothers

and pro lifers care what happens to children after birth

none of what you said is remotely close to true

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15 minutes ago, Aristides said:

There are over 400,000 American kids in foster care. Why is no one adopting them and how did they become foster kids? 

If you don't know, you don't care.

foster care is yet another option

no women are forced to be mothers

and society takes care of kids after birth

including many prolifers who you claim don't care

the wait to adopt kids in the foster care is too long

the backlog of kids get older

and there are other adoption options that don't have the same red tape

and younger kids to adopt

so naturally many people choose the other options

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2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

foster care is yet another option

no women are forced to be mothers

and society takes care of kids after birth

including many prolifers who you claim don't care

the wait to adopt kids in the foster care is too long

the backlog of kids get older

and there are other adoption options that don't have the same red tape

and younger kids to adopt

so naturally many people choose the other options

Option for who? Does the kid get a choice? 

What does society do for kids born into poverty because their mothers were forced to give birth?

Why is the wait to adopt foster kids any longer? People want newborns, not kids that may have issues. What chance does a kid with fetal alcohol syndrome or other issues due to a mother's drug use have?

What adoption options don't have red tape.

Again, adoption is something done by individuals, not a society.

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7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Option for who? Does the kid get a choice? 

What does society do for kids born into poverty because their mothers were forced to give birth?

the mother gets the choice despite your claims that they are forced to be mothers

social safety nets exist that help those kids

you are just pretending society does nothing to backwards rationalize your support of abortion

which even if it was true

still does not justify abortion

obvious cognitive dissonance is obvious

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4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

the mother gets the choice despite your claims that they are forced to be mothers

social safety nets exist that help those kids

you are just pretending society does nothing to backwards rationalize your support of abortion

which even if it was true

still does not justify abortion

obvious cognitive dissonance is obvious

If society forces women to give birth, there also has to be legislation that compels society to look after those kids.

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obvious cognitive dissonance is obvious

Yes it is.

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57 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Adoption is done by individuals, not society.

By forcing women to have children you are forcing them to be mothers.

That's the thing about you so called pro lifers. Once they are born, you lose interest in them, your work is done and you no longer give a shit.. 

Who raised you?  Have you no positive male role models in your life, no stand-up guys?   You seem intent on taking men entirely out of the equation of parenting.  You don’t make any connection between the breakdown of the family and your assault on males, who you declare universally toxic.

You also ignore the scientific fact that at some point a fetus meets the medical definition of living: brain activity.  You don’t seem to care that late term abortions are literally the killing of viable fetuses: babies.  For you there’s only one person to consider: the unlimited choice of the mother to the extent of infanticide.  So some people have a right to life and some don’t.  Some people have total freedom of choice and others can have their lives extinguished to satisfy that freedom of some.  You’re exalting the rights of some and stripping away the rights of others.

We do have constitutional rights.  We have had medical ethics.  Your position meets the threshold of neither.  

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