Vaxx nazis strike again: MP not allowed at parliament over her vaxx status

[dialamah]

21 minutes ago, ironstone said:

People break laws all the time unfortunately. As usual anyone from the radical left that does it will be considered a  hero.

I wonder if I should bother with the radical left/left distinction any more. Perhaps now they are one and the same.

 

Same could be said of the radical right/right.  The radicals hardly define the entire ideology, right or left.

[ironstone]

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

Same could be said of the radical right/right.  The radicals hardly define the entire ideology, right or left.

I'm of the opinion that for the sake of comparison the radical left/ left engage in lawbreaking far more often and uses violence as a means to an end than the radical right/ right.

Most of those on the left charged with anything are unlikely to be confined with leg irons either.

[Queenmandy85]

2 hours ago, West said:

How is simply being unvaccinated harmful to others? Thats what is at question here. 

Unvaccinated people became petrie dishes for the virus. The virus invades the host and replicates, mutating many times. When it has a mutation that is resistant to the vaccine, it spreads into the vaccinated population. It is simple evolution. So, if you are carrying the virus, you are a breeding ground for vaccine resistant variations that can be harmful, even deadly to others. 

Another thing that bugs me is the idea that it only kills old people. That is a pretty cavalier attitude towards other people's lives. I'm in my mid seventies and I have every expectation to get another 32 years out of this body. For those who share that old people prejudice, smarten up, Bucko. If you start behaving yourself and show your elders some respect, you too, may be lucky enough to grow old. My seventies are the best years of my life.

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

 

1. Another thing that bugs me is the idea that it only kills old people. That is a pretty cavalier attitude towards other people's lives. I'm in my mid seventies and I have every expectation to get another 32 years out of this body. For those who share that old people prejudice, smarten up, Bucko. If you start behaving yourself and show your elders some respect, you too, may be lucky enough to grow old. My seventies are the best years of my life.

1. Agreed 100%.  They don't use this tone on Remembrance Day...

Antivax trolls should quiet down.

[West]

23 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Unvaccinated people became petrie dishes for the virus. The virus invades the host and replicates, mutating many times. When it has a mutation that is resistant to the vaccine, it spreads into the vaccinated population. It is simple evolution. So, if you are carrying the virus, you are a breeding ground for vaccine resistant variations that can be harmful, even deadly to others. 

Another thing that bugs me is the idea that it only kills old people. That is a pretty cavalier attitude towards other people's lives. I'm in my mid seventies and I have every expectation to get another 32 years out of this body. For those who share that old people prejudice, smarten up, Bucko. If you start behaving yourself and show your elders some respect, you too, may be lucky enough to grow old. My seventies are the best years of my life.

?... 

I can name dozens of the tripple jabbed who have gotten covid. And no that's not anecdotal

[dialamah]

11 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I'm of the opinion that for the sake of comparison the radical left/ left engage in lawbreaking far more often and uses violence as a means to an end than the radical right/ right.

Most of those on the left charged with anything are unlikely to be confined with leg irons either.

I'm of the opinion that both sides have radicals that break the law in the pursuit of imposing their ideology.  Still, various law enforcement agencies currently hold the right as the more serious threat.  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/domestic-terrorism-data/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/domestic-terrorism-data/

Also, keep in mind that it's not the left whose radicals are busily creating para-military groups in case they need to overthrow the government. 

Despite the above, I'm still of the opinion that right wing radicals are the minority, and do not define the whole.

[dialamah]

Just now, West said:

?... 

I can name dozens of the tripple jabbed who have gotten covid. And no that's not anecdotal

I don't even know dozens of people, so good on you for such a wide circle if friends and acquaintances.  I do know a few who've gotten Covid, even being vaccinated.  But they didn't end up in hospital and they didn't die, which is the primary protection the vaccination offers.  

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, West said:

How is simply being unvaccinated harmful to others? Thats what is at question here. 

You can say the act of smoking could be harmful. You can't rationally say a healthy unvaccinated person poses any threat. It's political theater and pathetic this is even in discussion in Canada

There's certainly enough tripple vaxxed getting and spreading Covid to make the premise of the mandate a joke. 

The point isn't the safety of others... it's to make her sit on display on a zoom screen so that our pathetic prime minister can try and score some political points. To try and humiliate her into compliance... much the same way the vaccine mandates in businesses tried to do the same. Shaming. Cult like compliance is what psychopaths like Trudeau want

Exactly.  What our naked emperor doesn’t get is that most people see how blatantly vindictive and oppressive he is.

The smartest thing Liberal MP’s can do to protect their seats before the next election is either cross the floor to the Conservatives or leave caucus and run as independents.  It’s time to speak up to the Trudeau-Freeland tyranny.  

Edited June 6, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[West]

4 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I don't even know dozens of people, so good on you for such a wide circle if friends and acquaintances.  I do know a few who've gotten Covid, even being vaccinated.  But they didn't end up in hospital and they didn't die, which is the primary protection the vaccination offers.  

I work in an office building where everyone needed to be double jabbed or adhere to a testing policy to remain employed with hundreds of employees in the building. Many are three times jabbed. Many have missed considerable amount of time after catching covid.

To suspend people for not getting a jab and claim they are the issue is not rooted in reality, rather a strong delusion fueled by irrational rage. It's stoked by the current lunatic occupying the Prime Minister's office and the lunatics at the cbc. 

Edited June 6, 2022 by West

[West]

10 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I don't even know dozens of people, so good on you for such a wide circle if friends and acquaintances.  I do know a few who've gotten Covid, even being vaccinated.  But they didn't end up in hospital and they didn't die, which is the primary protection the vaccination offers.  

One guy I know actually did end up dying. Another is on a vent at the Regina General Hospital and in rough shape (same guy who took 6 in a year). 

Edited June 6, 2022 by West

[dialamah]

3 minutes ago, West said:

One guy I know actually did end up dying. Another is on a vent at the Regina General Hospital and in rough shape (same guy who took 6 in a year). 

Two out of dozens demonstrates the efficacy of the vaccines.  Prior to vaccines, of the half dozen I knew who got Covid, one died and one was hospitalized and ended up with long Covid - was off work for almost a year and is now on graduated return.  Both were under 50, neither was overweight.  I've no idea if they had other risk factors.

[Zeitgeist]

40 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Agreed 100%.  They don't use this tone on Remembrance Day...

Antivax trolls should quiet down.

You still don’t make the distinction between anti-vax and anti-mandate.  It’s an important one because while I see the value in vaccination and promoting it, I think it’s critical to maintain medical program choice.  It’s part of a much bigger concern about the state coercing people into treatments that may not be what they want for a variety of reasons. Think about imprisonment in an LTC home or even losing say over your treatment to a power of attorney who decides that medically-assisted suicide is what you would’ve wanted if you were in your right mind. These are very real threats to the elderly.  My principles here are about protecting people.  You have to see the bigger picture of how state overreach can be used against you.

Edited June 6, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Two out of dozens demonstrates the efficacy of the vaccines. 

"A guy I know..." is pointless discussion.  There are studies that show hands-down that the vaccines have been effective.  If there are some that say otherwise let's look at those too.

[Queenmandy85]

49 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Unvaccinated people became petrie dishes for the virus. The virus invades the host and replicates, mutating many times. When it has a mutation that is resistant to the vaccine, it spreads into the vaccinated population. It is simple evolution. So, if you are carrying the virus, you are a breeding ground for vaccine resistant variations that can be harmful, even deadly to others. 

 

25 minutes ago, West said:

I can name dozens of the tripple jabbed who have gotten covid. And no that's not anecdotal

That is because...now read what I wrote. 

[OftenWrong]

4 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Should she be allowed to smoke cigarettes in Parliament? Should she be allowed to smoke on an commercial flight? Is that not an invasive intrusion by government? The governments and many businesses mandate a ban on smoking in many public places. How is that different than vaccine mandates?

Should you be allowed to assume she is sick by default and more transmissive than the rest of us?

The comparison is unfair. When a person is smoking, we know they are smoking.

 

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Its increasingly clear on vaccination too.

 

Most people who get Omicron get over it within a week.  Sure though, spread the fear.  People will simply tune it out as hype doesn’t match reality.  

[West]

10 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Two out of dozens demonstrates the efficacy of the vaccines.  Prior to vaccines, of the half dozen I knew who got Covid, one died and one was hospitalized and ended up with long Covid - was off work for almost a year and is now on graduated return.  Both were under 50, neither was overweight.  I've no idea if they had other risk factors.

Lol.. 

But it sure doesn't explain how an unvaxxed places YOU at risk when then vaxxed are still catching covid and brought omicron to Canada 

[Queenmandy85]

Zeitgeist, have you any credible evidence of people dying from second hand smoke yet? All I've ever heard are things like "Everybody knows" and "people say."

 

[West]

14 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

 

That is because...now read what I wrote. 

I did. Its not rooted in reality. If you can catch covid while vaccinated, you can also be the cause of a variant. 

[West]

17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

"A guy I know..." is pointless discussion.  There are studies that show hands-down that the vaccines have been effective.  If there are some that say otherwise let's look at those too.

Maybe if it's one guy but when you have everyone in your office down with Covid, it kinda defeats the purpose of the mandate. 

At least to any rational thinking person...

[Queenmandy85]

6 minutes ago, West said:

Lol.. 

But it sure doesn't explain how an unvaxxed places YOU at risk when then vaxxed are still catching covid and brought omicron to Canada 

So, what do you suggest we do to prevent people from catching Covid 19? Even non-symptomatic cases can lead to long covid and organ damage.

Judging from a comparison of Canadian and American experiences, the Canadian response has saved 60,000 lives.,

[Nationalist]

Are we even in this pandemic still? Is The Rona ever gonna be 'gone'? Are these vaccines even helping anyone anymore?

Have we disturbed people sufficiently enough?

@Queenmandy85:

I understand your fear/concerns. I think everyone has them. But are they "reasonable"? For 3 solid years now, our leaders and media have been scaring the living hell out of most of the world's population. "PEOPLE COULD DIIIEEE!!!" And...some did. However...was the death toll over the last 3 years notably higher than previous years? Well...actually...no. It was not. So what did we actually accomplish? Did we save the world...or even curb the death rate? No. So what have we done?

Well...we destroyed a lot of small businesses. We created a lot of anxiety in the population. We pissed off a lot of people. We spend a TON of government funds and had to print more money which devalued our currency. We did that one real well. We chastised and shamed people for suggesting the Wuhan lab is the obvious place The Rona escaped from...ESPECIALLY when we recognize this bug is so easily transmitted from human to human. An exhibition of pure cowardice and stupidity, if there ever was one.

Did we actually help anyone? Perhaps...but its impossible to tell. And now...we have taught our kids that people are dirty. We've created a whole set of people who are so freaked out that they will wear a cloth mask while riding their bikes. And we have allowed our own government to firmly place its boot on all our throats. Which forces me to say...

"WE'RE SMAAARRRT."

Edited June 6, 2022 by Nationalist

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

I'm of the opinion that for the sake of comparison the radical left/ left engage in lawbreaking far more often and uses violence as a means to an end than the radical right/ right.

Most of those on the left charged with anything are unlikely to be confined with leg irons either.

I'm of the opinion that for the sake of comparison, there are no political attributes to anyone breaking any law.

Law breakers are ambidextrous, left or right, they can all can do it.

[ExFlyer]

47 minutes ago, West said:

?... 

I can name dozens of the tripple jabbed who have gotten covid. And no that's not anecdotal

You are correct.

You are aware that no one ever said that vaccination was a cure? The vaccinations were to prevent and/or reduce deaths.

With the vaccinations, covid became just as severe as a cold and that is tolerable and certainly not a trip to ICU and a death sentence.

[Aristides]

17 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

No.  She shouldn’t have to get a vaccine, period.  What’s with this creepy invasive idea that any government should be able to mandate any kind of medical program?   If it’s effective let it speak for itself.  Free markets.  Get these sick communists out of office.  They hate America.  They hate Canada.  

She doesn't have to get the vaccine but there are consequences if she doesn't. It's her problem if she thinks she is special and doesn't have to abide by the same rules as the other MP's are following.