Tamara Lich to Receive George Jonas Freedom Award, Our Hate-Mongering PM will be Furious

[Zeitgeist]

19 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You are in error. Ms. Lich would be in potential breach of her bail conditions. She is innocent od a crime because the charges against her have not been tested in court. Like you and me and Prime Minister Trudeau, we are all presumed innocent unless proven guilty in court. However she was arrested based on the accumulation of evidence. An arrest is justified:

to ensure the accused will attend court.

to ensure there is no continuation of an offence.

to protect the safety of the accused, the arresting office or the public.

In this case, Ms. Lich was released on bail under conditions. If she breaches any of those conditions, she may have her bail revoked.

We have the right to protest in Canada but we do not have the right to break the law. 

 

No.  It’s double standards of justice in Canada for Lich.  Look at the way other protesters and their organizers have been treated over the past few years.  She’s a political prisoner.  

[Queenmandy85]

12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

No.  It’s double standards of justice in Canada for Lich.  Look at the way other protesters and their organizers have been treated over the past few years.  She’s a political prisoner.  

When was the last time a horde of protestors illegally shut down the business district of a city, make the lives of the residents hell for weeks on end, putting thousands of people out of work, without being faced with legal consequences.

[myata]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

a court order in all countries carry weight.

Well said, "all countries" with no principle difference, what matters is the "order" not from who and how and what it means. Getting there.. you win.

[myata]

Democratically elected Putin to rule with no checks or controls wielding god-like powers appoints a judge who prosecutes his political opponents. Nothing wrong with this snapshot of thriving modern democracy?

[West]

22 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

When was the last time a horde of protestors illegally shut down the business district of a city, make the lives of the residents hell for weeks on end, putting thousands of people out of work, without being faced with legal consequences.

Talk about hyperbole. Plenty of businesses still operated AND probably made as much money in 3 weeks as they would have in 6 months. 

When others including Elizabeth May blockade a rail line they are released within hours, never spend a day in jail and have politicians show up for photo ops. That's the type of treatment you get when leftists agree with your cause. The Lich situation is nothing more than politics... which is sad for a "justice" system to be punishing political vendettas

Edited May 20, 2022 by West

[Queenmandy85]

8 minutes ago, West said:

When others including Elizabeth May blockade a rail line they are released within hours, never spend a day in jail and have politicians show up for photo ops.

My MP along with Mr. Poilievre showed up at the convoy for photo ops.

But you are right, I don't recall what legal consequences were applied to the ringleaders of the rail blockades.

[Michael Hardner]

33 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

But you are right, I don't recall what legal consequences were applied to the ringleaders of the rail blockades.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thestar.com/amp/news/canada/2013/01/15/idle_no_more_chief_says_protesters_wont_block_ambassador_bridge_border_crossing.html

First Nations people know what they're doing, as opposed to the Convoy people. They make their point briefly get the photo up, and move on. Of course the consequences for them can be a lot worse because they're not white. See Dudley George who was shot for occupying part of a provincial Park.

[West]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thestar.com/amp/news/canada/2013/01/15/idle_no_more_chief_says_protesters_wont_block_ambassador_bridge_border_crossing.html

First Nations people know what they're doing, as opposed to the Convoy people. They make their point briefly get the photo up, and move on. Of course the consequences for them can be a lot worse because they're not white. See Dudley George who was shot for occupying part of a provincial Park.

It's obvious by now that this white privilege stuff is nonsense. If this were a pro Palestine group there'd be no charges. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, West said:

It's obvious by now that this white privilege stuff is nonsense. 

And yet you're responding to a post with a glaring example, but you didn't even mention.

Didn't you say in another thread you would rather live in a Christian theocracy?

I feel like your morality is not Christian at all.

[West]

8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

And yet you're responding to a post with a glaring example, but you didn't even mention.

Didn't you say in another thread you would rather live in a Christian theocracy?

I feel like your morality is not Christian at all.

When a bunch of black people can March in solidarity, breaking Covid rules, facing no consequences and then a group of people labeled as "white" do the same thing and are thrown in jail or face fines, and when politicians who otherwise scream about Covid join in to virtue signal yeah its obviously nonsense. Just an excuse for political nonsense. 

And yes I would rather live under a Christian theocracy than communism.

Edited May 20, 2022 by West

[Aristides]

56 minutes ago, West said:

When a bunch of black people can March in solidarity, breaking Covid rules, facing no consequences and then a group of people labeled as "white" do the same thing and are thrown in jail or face fines, and when politicians who otherwise scream about Covid join in to virtue signal yeah its obviously nonsense. Just an excuse for political nonsense. 

And yes I would rather live under a Christian theocracy than communism.

They occupied downtown and made life miserable for locals for three weeks. The biggest mall in the city had to close down because of harassment of employees. 

Canada is not a theocracy. Never has been and hopefully never will. You would want to live in a theocracy so you could dictate the freedoms of others according to your beliefs. Religion is about control as much as anything else.

[West]

24 minutes ago, Aristides said:

They occupied downtown and made life miserable for locals for three weeks. The biggest mall in the city had to close down because of harassment of employees. 

Canada is not a theocracy. Never has been and hopefully never will. You would want to live in a theocracy so you could dictate the freedoms of others according to your beliefs. Religion is about control as much as anything else.

I would argue that those brainwashed by the propaganda were only upset with the protest and closed their businesses because they are brainwashed into believing the people outside were somehow a threat to them. If it was a blm rally they would've opened the truckers with open arms... there was NO threat whatsoever, just paranoid freaks claiming the truckers (without evidence) tried to burn down their apartment building.

 

Pure primitive tribalism is at play here... they wanted police violence not because the truckers were a threat but because they are sick freaks and believe that people with differing views are a threat to them.. pretty sad... a bunch of entitled snobby upper middle class leftists think they alone can determine who is allowed to protest and who is not.

Edited May 21, 2022 by West

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, West said:

When a bunch of black people can March in solidarity, breaking Covid rules, facing no consequences and then a group of people labeled as "white" do the same thing and are thrown in jail or face fines, and when politicians who otherwise scream about Covid join in to virtue signal yeah its obviously nonsense. Just an excuse for political nonsense. 

And yes I would rather live under a Christian theocracy than communism.

Wow, you are leaving out some important information there.

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, West said:

Lol.. these leftist lunatics work in tandem. The fact our PM is not in jail right now proves that. Instead they go after an average citizen for accepting an award.. sad

No. For proof you'd need to show the step by step process and physical means by which leftists coordinate, plan and work in tandem i.e. meetings, emails, short wave radio, smoke signals, telepathy etc.

 

[West]

21 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No. For proof you'd need to show the step by step process and physical means by which leftists coordinate, plan and work in tandem i.e. meetings, emails, short wave radio, smoke signals, telepathy etc.

 

Step by step... 

Both the Mayor of Ottawa and the Prime Minister spew the same disinformation, such as the truckers trying to burn down an apartment block, or Russians funding the convoy. Their proof? An unvetted "news" article (not intelligence or anything official). This leads to ridiculous unprecedented invoking of the "Emergencies Act" to clear out an otherwise peaceful protest. 

The former Liberal Party candidate oversees the case as judge. 

People like you buy into the disinformation and demand the tax payers fund her room and board in jail for accepting a reward. Of course the REAL motivation is you don't like her political views and think that anyone who disagrees with your political views should be "re-educated" in jail. 

How's that?

 

Now if you want my view on Pat King, the guy is an idiot. If we had to lock up every idiot out there our jails would be full. Being an idiot is not a crime. 

How's that?

Edited May 21, 2022 by West

[West]

40 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Wow, you are leaving out some important information there.

Nothing relevant to the conversation

Alot of white guilt these days. It's not your race's fault people commit crimes 

Edited May 21, 2022 by West

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, West said:

People like you buy into the disinformation and demand the tax payers fund her room and board in jail for accepting a reward. Of course the REAL motivation is you don't like her political views and think that anyone who disagrees with your political views should be "re-educated" in jail. 

How's that?

So...like you, I know this is all a bunch of hooey.  But since I'm only pretending to buy it and you actually do...

What's your motivation?

[ExFlyer]

16 hours ago, West said:

Talk about hyperbole. Plenty of businesses still operated AND probably made as much money in 3 weeks as they would have in 6 months. 

When others including Elizabeth May blockade a rail line they are released within hours, never spend a day in jail and have politicians show up for photo ops. That's the type of treatment you get when leftists agree with your cause. The Lich situation is nothing more than politics... which is sad for a "justice" system to be punishing political vendettas

Clearly you do not live in Ottawa LOL

You are very far form being correct and factual.

Lich broke existing laws, no more, no less. She went to a local court presided over by a local judge that I heard was a big supporter of the Rhinoceros Party.

[Michael Hardner]

38 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

You are very far form being correct and factual.

By their own documents, they fomented an attempt to change government involving hundreds of people over weeks.  Unlike the small group of native people who occupied part of a provincial Park for a few days and had somebody shot and killed. They only had a couple of people arrested.

 

If you want any more evidence that their takes on the Convoy are skewed then you're probably part of the cult.

Furthermore, I'm convinced that certain people in the conservative party are using them to further their ambitions..

[West]

52 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Clearly you do not live in Ottawa LOL

You are very far form being correct and factual.

Lich broke existing laws, no more, no less. She went to a local court presided over by a local judge that I heard was a big supporter of the Rhinoceros Party.

Lich is a scapegoat. There's correspondence between her and the police on where to park vehicles etc. Her only crime was protesting our corrupt prime minister

[ExFlyer]

53 minutes ago, West said:

Lich is a scapegoat. There's correspondence between her and the police on where to park vehicles etc. Her only crime was protesting our corrupt prime minister

Again, you are completely incorrect.

She broke existing laws. Was released on bail with a court order. She broke the restriction in her court order and is now liable for her actions.

[Aristides]

13 hours ago, West said:

I would argue that those brainwashed by the propaganda were only upset with the protest and closed their businesses because they are brainwashed into believing the people outside were somehow a threat to them. If it was a blm rally they would've opened the truckers with open arms... there was NO threat whatsoever, just paranoid freaks claiming the truckers (without evidence) tried to burn down their apartment building.

 

Pure primitive tribalism is at play here... they wanted police violence not because the truckers were a threat but because they are sick freaks and believe that people with differing views are a threat to them.. pretty sad... a bunch of entitled snobby upper middle class leftists think they alone can determine who is allowed to protest and who is not.

 

The closures cost businesses millions, that's why the organizers are being sued.

The protest cost Ottawa tax payers over 36 million.

Yes, theocracies are well known for protecting the right to protest.?

Edited May 21, 2022 by Aristides

[myata]

13 hours ago, West said:

I would argue that those brainwashed by the propaganda

No need to argue: it's a fact. We see, factually, people in the park, in masks, people driving alone in cars in masks, and it's been going on for weeks already. How much longer, who can tell.

Yes, brainwashing is here, alongside an authoritarian governance with no checks or accountability. This is exactly how it worked in well known examples in the history. Someone could be very worried. But who is still here, in the reality?

[Zeitgeist]

18 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

When was the last time a horde of protestors illegally shut down the business district of a city, make the lives of the residents hell for weeks on end, putting thousands of people out of work, without being faced with legal consequences.

What a load of nonsense.  It was a carnival atmosphere and the businesses that stayed open thrived, until of course the EA martial police turned the place into a ghost town.  Felt like Warsaw during a late 80’s crackdown.  The injunction had stopped the honking and the blockades had gone before the EA was imposed. 

[myata]

11 minutes ago, Aristides said:

The closures cost businesses millions,

How much did the lockdowns cost in the first place that protests were about? There are peer reviewed studies that showed that they had marginal efficiency, with intelligent management of the health system. But that was in another country. Will we ever find the answers, or even questions here? Will our quasi-free, now patently false, deceptive and manipulative media even be interested to find out? Don't think we can count on it.

Edited May 21, 2022 by myata