Trudeau Gets Slammed At NATO Meeting

[eyeball]

22 hours ago, dialamah said:

The hit to the economy might explain the lack of interest.

IMO our Western society has grown too big and divided to really get together on anything.  

Yes but this money laundering our betters are engaged in is something that should unite ordinary Canadians like no other.

This shouldn't be a left or right issue and I'm sure there are good people in this forum who know in their hearts this is wrong but either partisanship or the sense that it would 'tear down Canada' if we probed to deeply into it is causing them to hold their noses and hope it just goes away.  They probably have good reason to believe it will.

Of course with $130 billion coming into Canada annually...its like selling oil I guess, if not us the money will just go somewhere else.

Edited March 27, 2022 by eyeball

[Infidel Dog]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

 

If what you say is correct, how can the MSM bashers even critique MSM if they "curate" their own news with "their biases with self-contained echo chamber"? How can they argue anything is it is already biased by their choices of information?

"The question still remains, "where do you younger trendy folks get your valid, truthful news?? I really would like to know so I can also get proper news. "

I get lambasted and accused quite regularly for accepting MSM. So, who am I arguing with or what am I arguing with? What sources are the the ones they get their information form? Often the links they provide are Facebook and Twitter. Are those the sources of legitimate news?? Or as you say "biases with self-contained echo chamber"

Who do you get your current news from??

First off, I think you're confusing "self-contained echo chamber" news with considering all sides then making a decision on what makes sense. 

But sure, I can help you out with that. Here ya go start out with these Canadian archive sites:

https://blazingcatfur.ca/

https://vladtepesblog.com/

Now those are from the right but don't worry. It sounds like you're getting all the leftist Prog reset news you can handle from Prime Minister Dressup's paid MSM.

Rebel and True North aren't bad for an alternate perspective either.

Now if you just want to be lazy and get both sides at one sitting here's one that isn't bad covering both sides of world news:

https://ground.news/

And it will tell you which side is which if you get confused.

 

Edited March 27, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[ExFlyer]

19 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

First off, I think you're confusing "self-contained echo chamber" news with considering all sides then making a decision on what makes sense. 

But sure, I can help you out with that. Here ya go start out with these Canadian archive sites:

https://blazingcatfur.ca/

https://vladtepesblog.com/

Now those are from the right but don't worry. It sounds like you're getting all the leftist Prog reset news you can handle from Prime Minister Dressup's paid MSM.

Rebel and True North aren't bad for an alternate perspective either.

Now if you just want to be lazy and get both sides at one sitting here's one that isn't bad covering both sides of world news:

https://ground.news/

And it will tell you which side is which if you get confused.

 

Chuckle.

First off I think you are confusing me with the person that said that. I used quotation marks indicating I am quoting someone else.

Secondly, I certainly hope that you are not serious of those links you posted are your news sources LOL "Rebel and True North aren't bad" Ha Ha sure, if you suck the conservative teat LOL

Ground News says "Ground News isn’t a news aggregator, throwing hundreds of headlines at you that barely skim the surface." yet, they are throwing a bunch of headlines at you LOL.

Oh and Ground News also says "Ground News isn’t a fact-checker, because we believe in empowerment, not enablement." so, they just regurgitate everything  LOL.

Son, your credibility is not too far up from zero.

Oh and, a little anger management may make you less bitter

 

 

[Moonbox]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

If what you say is correct, how can the MSM bashers even critique MSM if they "curate" their own news with "their biases with self-contained echo chamber"? How can they argue anything is it is already biased by their choices of information?

Denial and self-delusion.  They trawl the depths of the internet for things that support their worldviews and share it amongst themselves on social media.  Before long they're all referring to the same bullshit article or discredited science but they've repeated it so much to each other that they actually believe it's true.   Anything that conflicts with this junk is "fake news".  Anything coming from MSM is untrue by default, facts and reasonability be damned...unless of course it supports their viewpoint in which case they'll happily refer you to it.  ?

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

"The question still remains, "where do you younger trendy folks get your valid, truthful news?? I really would like to know so I can also get proper news. "

Diversifying your content.  There's nothing wrong with watching the news on TV, but read stuff (even print news and online) too and just look at lots of different sources to see the different biases. The MSM can usually be at least relied on to report the basic facts and will generally not outright lie, but the way they report it will differ greatly from Fox News on one end to something like CNN or the CBC on the other.   

When I say the MSM can generally report the facts, I mean their actual journalists and news reporters.  Their editorialists and personalities (like Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity or Chris Cuomo) say whatever the hell they want and aren't really worth listening to.  

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

I get lambasted and accused quite regularly for accepting MSM. So, who am I arguing with or what am I arguing with? What sources are the the ones they get their information form? Often the links they provide are Facebook and Twitter. Are those the sources of legitimate news?? Or as you say "biases with self-contained echo chamber"

Who do you get your current news from??

The folks who are "lambasting" you aren't living on the same planet.  If you're only watching one news source then maybe you need to spread out, but take it as a badge of honor if the conspiracy theorists are on your ass.  It's confirmation that you're living in reality.  

[Infidel Dog]

58 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Secondly, I certainly hope that you are not serious of those links you posted are your news sources LOL "Rebel and True North aren't bad" Ha Ha sure, if you suck the conservative teat LOL

I'm dead serious. I'm saying once you accept the truth all news has bias the only reasonable method of ascertaining fact is by knowing all sides - who's burying the lede, who's highlighting or evading or outright forgetting to tell you about what. What's left after you weed out the bias. 

From the comment above you appear to be telling me only your bias matters. Good luck with that. 

Oh, and when you quote something you're highlighting it to tell us you believe it matters.

Edited March 27, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Ground News says "Ground News isn’t a news aggregator, throwing hundreds of headlines at you that barely skim the surface." yet, they are throwing a bunch of headlines at you LOL.

You requested information on where the other side gets news they trust. I'm telling you Ground news will give you both sides and that's the best many of us can do for trust.

I'm beginning to think you didn't actually want an answer. 

Quote

Oh and Ground News also says "Ground News isn’t a fact-checker, because we believe in empowerment, not enablement." so, they just regurgitate everything  LOL.

You didn't ask for a fact checker. You asked where people who didn't fully trust the MSM version of the news got theirs.

Almost all fact checkers are deeply biased. Almost always to the left. I'll read them then I'll read around fact-checking the fact checkers. Empowerment over enablement. Trusting in your own ability to make a rational decision over blind faith belief in the narrative.

[ExFlyer]

22 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

I'm dead serious. I'm saying once you accept the truth all news has bias the only reasonable method of ascertaining fact is by knowing all sides - who's burying the lede, who's highlighting or evading or outright forgetting to tell you about what. What's left after you weed out the bias. 

From the comment above you appear to be telling me only your bias matters. Good luck with that. 

Oh, and when you quote something you're highlighting it to tell us you believe it matters.

I read a lot and I decide based on what I read, see and hear. My question were what sources people have and most seem to link facebook, twitter and decidedly biased (in this forum right wing) publications.

Moonbox, 2 posts above provided a very good unbiased response. He is neither directing nor emphasizing nor dismissing ny source, including MSM.

I'm not telling you anything, that is your own paranoia that comes out in your post.

When I quote someone or something in quotation marks it is indicating what they say, not me.

 

[BeaverFever]

On 3/25/2022 at 2:12 PM, betsy said:

This hasn't been mentioned at all by either CTV or CBC, or any mainstream media.

 

 

 

 

 

 

During a plenary session of parliament Wednesday in Brussels, several MEPs called Trudeau out, accusing him of violating human rights over the handling of the Freedom Convoy protest in Ottawa last month.

https://torontosun.com/news/world/dictatorship-of-the-worst-kind-european-mps-blast-trudeau-for-covid-rights-violation

Corrections:

1) Trudeau was speaking at the EU Council not NATO. You should learn the difference 

2) Despite being a non- story it was reported in every Canadian MSM outlet. Claiming something “wasn’t reported in MSM” is just a standard lie that right wing media tacks on to every story 

3) There are 705 members of the EU parliament, yet only these 3 obscure far-right members “slammed” him.  2 of them are from an anti-EU German party that has ties to white supremacists and a German court has ruled is  a “suspected threat to democracy”  with  “sufficient indications of anti-constitutional goals“. The third is a failed Croatian presidential candidate who is also anti-EU and an anti-vax conspiracy kook. While only about half of the EU parliamentary members attended Trudeaus speech, I bet the right wing media didn’t report that he received a standing ovation and the public galleries were full, or that most of those who accepted the invitation to speak publicly to Trudeau gave speeches that were supportive and welcoming.

 

But let’s focus on the 3 extremist kooks. 

Edited March 27, 2022 by BeaverFever

[Infidel Dog]

3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

2) Despite being a non- story it was reported in every Canadian MSM outlet. 

The following day or the day after as updates. Let's guess the bit they updated, shall we...and why.

[BeaverFever]

12 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

The following day or the day after as updates. Let's guess the bit they updated, shall we...and why.

So you’re switching from “never reported” to “reported the next day” with the latter being some sort of unacceptable delay for this very unimportant story that the alternative media didn’t miss?  LMAO

 

A simple check of the Sun link in the OP and the MSM links in post right below it shows they are all dated March 24. Rebel news coverage appears to be March 26. You fail. Again

Edited March 27, 2022 by BeaverFever

[taxme]

21 hours ago, Moonbox said:

and on the flip side you have a bunch of angry losers trawling the fringe-web for retarded conspiracy news they can yell about and repeat to everyone.  

Say whatever you want about the old boomers, but at least they're grounded in reality, regardless of how much CNN crap they're slurping.  

Who's to say that you are not trolling the many fringe lefty liberal websites out there and coming on here and trying to make those whom you disagree with look like they are nothing more than a bunch of retarded conspiracy nut cases? What makes you think that what you post here is the gospel truth? I bet that all you do all day is listen to the CBC for your bull shit news. Right? 

Most boomer seniors do not even know what day it is anymore. They have now been forced into believing and living in a non reality world. The boomers come from the old days where politicians and the media once told the truth, and had some class, and had nothing to hide. Now all they get from them is lies and made up hoaxes from the lying media and their lying politicians. 

Sadly, it is the boomers that are making their lives more miserable these days. They are listening way too much and believing all the lies that are being told to them. They never really fact check anything all that much anymore. They just take what they are told as the gospel truth. ?

 

 

[taxme]

20 hours ago, Army Guy said:

More time honored advice by our gullible local boomer expert/ redneck/ feminist's/ Justin is that you ? or his side kick from the NDP....

Just trying to educate the many lefty liberal and socialists dummies here that are way too gullible, way too woke, and just plain way too stupid to ever try and get the other side of the story. It is truly an exercise in futility indeed. But I am still hanging in there. I gotta be tough and strong, eh? ?

[taxme]

8 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Same question to you.

Where do you get your valid, truthful, current news. What are the names or links to these news sites?

I would truly like to know and read real news before I die LOL

Just asking

I have so many to give you but right now I don't give a phuk to do so. And besides, even if I did, you would no doubt not bother to go to any of those websites anyway. But if you did, you NO doubt will say that they are all just full of right wing conspiracy crap. 

Okay, I will break down and give you two to go too. One is AwakeCanada and the other is ActionforCanada websites. Try them out and let me know what you think of those websites. 

[Infidel Dog]

45 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

So you’re switching from “never reported” to “reported the next day” with the latter being some sort of unacceptable delay for this very unimportant story that the alternative media didn’t miss?  LMAO

 

A simple check of the Sun link in the OP and the MSM links in post right below it shows they are all dated March 24. Rebel news coverage appears to be March 26. You fail. Again

Switching?

Where did you get that from?

I explained this all pretty crystal clear in my posting of this story in the News Club. Is that why you all of a sudden disappeared from that thread and scrambled over here? Clarity is the nemesis of the King of Wrong.

No?

Here ya go then have another crack at it:

  

3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

You know what's funny about all those MSM headlines that all of a sudden turned up on the story a couple of days after the one in the Toronto Sun?

They all have "Updates" listed.

I searched before posting the story using the key words "Trudeau speaks EU". There was only one story on the pushback from some EU members. 

But the independent and right wing media was full of that story. In many of those stories they questioned why the MSM wasn't covering it. If the main post wasn't the comments were.

Then in the last couple of days all of a sudden all these MSM "Updated" stories popped up on my search engine with "Updated" stories telling me how not everybody in the EU was loving PM Castro Jr.

 

Edited March 27, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[BeaverFever]

13 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Switching?

Where did you get that from?

I explained this all pretty crystal clear in my posting of this story in the News Club. Is that why you all of a sudden disappeared from that thread and scrambled over here? Clarity is the nemesis of the King of Wrong.

No?

Here ya go then have another crack at it:

  

 

Ya well you didn’t quote me so I didn’t get an alerts.  Unlike some other people I don’t have infinite time to search multiple threads. 
 

But to reiterate, the Sun and all those sources are dated March 24. Rebel appears to be March 26. Which would make you wrong. 

[ExFlyer]

57 minutes ago, taxme said:

I have so many to give you but right now I don't give a phuk to do so. And besides, even if I did, you would no doubt not bother to go to any of those websites anyway. But if you did, you NO doubt will say that they are all just full of right wing conspiracy crap. 

Okay, I will break down and give you two to go too. One is AwakeCanada and the other is ActionforCanada websites. Try them out and let me know what you think of those websites. 

I went and yup, you are 100% correct.... for a change LOL

No wonder you are what you are

Edited March 27, 2022 by ExFlyer

[Infidel Dog]

5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Ya well you didn’t quote me so I didn’t get an alerts.  Unlike some other people I don’t have infinite time to search multiple threads. 
 

But to reiterate, the Sun and all those sources are dated March 24. Rebel appears to be March 26. Which would make you wrong. 

Well, Your Majesty...you're wrong, of course. As always.

Rebel streamed the story live on March 24.

The Toronto Sun posted the story as it currently appears on March 24. That was the day I did a search for the story before I posted the Sun telling of it.

I could only find that Toronto Sun story on the subject of the EU members who bashed Trudeau as a democracy hating dictator wannabe on March 24.

Now there no doubt were stories about Trudeau's reception by the better trained members of the EU but the story of malcontents did not appear in the MSM until the following 2 days after they had to deal with all the complaints from readers wondering why they buried the story.

Then they all posted something they called "Updates."

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

Now there no doubt were stories about Trudeau's reception by the better trained members of the EU but the story of malcontents did not appear in the MSM until the following 2 days after they had to deal with all the complaints from readers wondering why they buried the story.

Have you seen any mention in your news sources about why reports about Canada laundering over $130 billion a year of oligarch money are being under-reported and why no one at all in the EU appears to have said a peep about it?

Seems to me any possibility that Canada might be laundering money for Russian oligarchs would have a lot more of NATO and the 'better trained' Europeans far more rightfully pissed off at Trudeau than any malcontent armed with the hooey that pisses you off.  

Edited March 28, 2022 by eyeball

[Nationalist]

20 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Trudeau deserves it, Biden, well, maybe a little but those European legistaltors and NATO countries should put their money and army where their mouth is too.

Making statements about other leaders when they sit on their hands and watch Ukraine get bombarded , people and children getting killed right next door to them is a f'n disgrace as well.

Europe is full of morons who made huge oil deals with Russia. 

[Moonbox]

19 hours ago, taxme said:

Who's to say that you are not trolling the many fringe lefty liberal websites out there and coming on here and trying to make those whom you disagree with look like they are nothing more than a bunch of retarded conspiracy nut cases?

When I start quoting facebook and social media posts, rabble.ca or other dinky websites like that, you can accuse me of trawling for fringe news to confirm and reinforce my delusions.  

19 hours ago, taxme said:

What makes you think that what you post here is the gospel truth? I bet that all you do all day is listen to the CBC for your bull shit news. Right? 

The CBC?  Lol no.  I've argued here on this forum in the past that it's heavily biased and I don't think they should be publicly funded to promote editorial views/biases.  

19 hours ago, taxme said:

Sadly, it is the boomers that are making their lives more miserable these days. They are listening way too much and believing all the lies that are being told to them. They never really fact check anything all that much anymore. They just take what they are told as the gospel truth. ?

You don't really believe in fact-checking though, do you?  ?

There's all sorts of media fact checkers out there and quick google searches can dispel most of the dumbest conspiracy theories we see peddled here, but that's just more fake news.  It's such a comfy and self-serving delusion.  When anything/everything that goes against your worldview is automatically "fake MSM news" and part of the conspiracy, you really don't have to do a lot of critical thinking.  

[taxme]

On 3/27/2022 at 2:38 PM, ExFlyer said:

I went and yup, you are 100% correct.... for a change LOL

No wonder you are what you are

Yup, this is what I am. I am one patriotic conservative Canadian who gives a dam about this country, although at times, I do wonder why. But I do give a dam about the many rights and freedoms that have been stolen away from me by those dictating political leaders in Canada, who have been allowed to pretty much destroy Canada for over two years now over a big pharma hoax and lie.

Sadly, those batards will never face jail time for their criminal crimes against Canadians and criminal crimes against humanity. It is the trucker protesters and their supporters who are now being hunted down by the Ottawa police to be later charged with some kind of trumped up charges to try and make an example of them and to others that they dare not try and take on the establishment anymore. Peaceful protests in Canada will soon become a thing of the past and illegal. Only the sanctioned leftist liberal ones will be legal. Canada is not the free country that it once was before covid. 

Those peaceful trucker protesters were Canadian hero's who will soon be paying the price for their crime to peacefully protest. Welcome to the new normal Canada alright. It will soon be Marxism in Canada for everyone. Oh joy. ?  

[taxme]

On 3/28/2022 at 9:32 AM, Moonbox said:

When I start quoting facebook and social media posts, rabble.ca or other dinky websites like that, you can accuse me of trawling for fringe news to confirm and reinforce my delusions.  

The CBC?  Lol no.  I've argued here on this forum in the past that it's heavily biased and I don't think they should be publicly funded to promote editorial views/biases.  

You don't really believe in fact-checking though, do you?  ?

There's all sorts of media fact checkers out there and quick google searches can dispel most of the dumbest conspiracy theories we see peddled here, but that's just more fake news.  It's such a comfy and self-serving delusion.  When anything/everything that goes against your worldview is automatically "fake MSM news" and part of the conspiracy, you really don't have to do a lot of critical thinking.  

I am pretty sure that if anything or everything that goes against your worldview is automatically taken by you to be fake news, and is part of a conspiracy, you really don't have to do a lot of critical thinking either. You just cannot seem to get it thru your head that there is always two sides to every story.

The problem that we both have is to try and figure out as to who is telling the truth and who is not telling the truth. I do fact check as best as I can. Just because you say that you have done your fact checking does not mean that you did any real fact checking at all. I have to take your word for it. 

I get all of my information and fact checking from visiting Rumble and Bitchute. So, just where do you get your fact checking from? Over. ?

[eyeball]

On 3/28/2022 at 9:32 AM, Moonbox said:

It's such a comfy and self-serving delusion.  When anything/everything that goes against your worldview is automatically "fake MSM news" and part of the conspiracy, you really don't have to do a lot of critical thinking.  

The allure of the dark side of the force isn't that it's more powerful, it's because it's easier.

[ExFlyer]

11 hours ago, taxme said:

Yup, this is what I am. I am one patriotic conservative Canadian who gives a dam about this country, although at times, I do wonder why. But I do give a dam about the many rights and freedoms ...

....... Oh joy. ?  

I am a patriotic Canadian too. I gave 35 years of my life proudly wearing it's uniform. Although, I am somewhat embarrassed by the present leaders words and actions domestically and especially internationally, I am still a patriotic Canadian

I do not identify myself to politics. Both political parties (and their leaders) have equally dropped us into despair and buckets of shit.

I too, at times, wonder why but patriotism is not a team to cheer for, it is a love of country.

As for rights and freedoms, you have had a choice, always. Accept government edict or not. There were and are consequences to both choices.

My fear is the huge political divide nowadays. Conservatives used to be the voice of reason but has become, the best description I can come up with is Trumpian..... meaning blind devotion to someone or something. And liberalism, which has become more and more "people pleasing' meaning will do anything to buy a vote.

The division has and is preventing Canada from becoming a tolerant and respected country, a la the USA.

[taxme]

7 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I am a patriotic Canadian too. I gave 35 years of my life proudly wearing it's uniform. Although, I am somewhat embarrassed by the present leaders words and actions domestically and especially internationally, I am still a patriotic Canadian

I do not identify myself to politics. Both political parties (and their leaders) have equally dropped us into despair and buckets of shit.

I too, at times, wonder why but patriotism is not a team to cheer for, it is a love of country.

As for rights and freedoms, you have had a choice, always. Accept government edict or not. There were and are consequences to both choices.

My fear is the huge political divide nowadays. Conservatives used to be the voice of reason but has become, the best description I can come up with is Trumpian..... meaning blind devotion to someone or something. And liberalism, which has become more and more "people pleasing' meaning will do anything to buy a vote.

The division has and is preventing Canada from becoming a tolerant and respected country, a la the USA.

The country and pretty much the world have come under the power and control of a certain ethnic group of dangerous people who will go to any lengths to try and make the world their world, and so far it is working well for them. 

But believe it or not, Putin and many other leaders in many other countries are putting the screws to their plans for world domination. The people of America are not the enemy. It is the people that are running America are the enemy. 

This is why we the peasants must stop listening too the lying fake MSM and the lying puppet on a string politicians who are pretty much all in agreement with them. Patriotism comes with a high price. The trucker protesters and the people who supported them are on a hit list by the Ottawa police and the Marxist federal government in Ottawa. 

Canadians who peacefully protested in the truckers convoy are now being treated as criminals and terrorists by a government that does not believe in rights and freedoms anymore. Just Marxist dictatorship over we the peasants.

Welcome to the new normal Marxist social credit system in Canada where if you do not tow the line, your bank account will get frozen. This is how far Canada has come already. Why is the conservative party not outraged by this? Why do they continue to sit in parliament and have not stormed out of parliament in disgust while this dictator destroys freedom and rights in Canada? 

The EU has already slammed comrade Trudeau for implementing the emergency Marxist act. But ask the dictator if he really cares. It certainly looks to me like the old Canada of just two years ago is slowly disappearing. Sadly, the majority of the frightened peasants in Canada are silently going along to get along. I hate politics but sometimes you must get involved. Sad but true. ?   

Edited March 31, 2022 by taxme