The NDP/Liberal Dictatorship

[ironstone]

Trudeau has another thing in common with Biden in that he is promising food shortages. Food shortages in Canada under the leadership of Justin Trudeau. Was this supposed to be part of sunny ways?

'Difficult time' ahead with food shortages: Trudeau | The Post Millennial

justin trudeau: Trudeau warns of 'difficult time,' food shortages due to COVID-19, Health News, ET HealthWorld (indiatimes.com)

Quite a few links to this but CBC.com does not mention it, no surprise there.

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Based on anything he's said he would do, how would Canada be worse off under a Poilievre government?

I'm not a fan of right-wing governments. That's why I also never vote for Liberals.

[ironstone]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm not a fan of right-wing governments. That's why I also never vote for Liberals.

You consider the Trudeau government to be right-wing?

[WestCanMan]

On 4/1/2022 at 12:24 PM, Moonbox said:

Ah, so you're trying to tell us that a former liberal candidate can't be a reasonable judge, is that it?  Only a conservative judge can properly administer justice?  ?

Stop playing stupid.

A judge who's a former liberal candidate just handed out a ruling that was 100% in favour of our PM's witch hunt.

This saves Trudeau from having to wear the AG hat. 

[eyeball]

17 minutes ago, ironstone said:

You consider the Trudeau government to be right-wing?

As evidenced by his aversion to distributing power more equitably and the fact the wealth gap is continuing to widen on his watch. 

[West]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

As evidenced by his aversion to distributing power more equitably and the fact the wealth gap is continuing to widen on his watch. 

Leftist policies always lead to the really rich (themselves) and really poor (the rest of us)

[ironstone]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

As evidenced by his aversion to distributing power more equitably and the fact the wealth gap is continuing to widen on his watch. 

I would argue that those things are much more common under left-wing governments. It would be pretty difficult or outright impossible to find anyone from the MSM or Canada's major newspapers referring to Trudeau as right-wing. In fact those same sources always reference the term "right-wing" in a negative way.

[eyeball]

Of course you guys would play rubber and glue with this.

8 minutes ago, ironstone said:

It would be pretty difficult or outright impossible to find anyone from the MSM or Canada's major newspapers referring to Trudeau as right-wing. In fact those same sources always reference the term "right-wing" in a negative way.

And for the wrong reasons IMO.

AFAIC the terms right and left shouldn't be used to define progressives or conservatives. The terms left and right are appropriate for issues involving the distribution of power.  Wealth just goes where power goes.

In actual fact the use of right and left completely misses the reality that power is distributed up and down not back and forth. Sure there's a pendulum that swings back and forth but notice it hangs from a point above the horizontal plane the pendulum swings over. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

Trudeau has another thing in common with Biden in that he is promising food shortages. Food shortages in Canada under the leadership of Justin Trudeau. Was this supposed to be part of sunny ways?

I doubt it.  Really? Promising, as in something to look forward too?  That's pretty weird spin.

 

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'Difficult time' ahead with food shortages: Trudeau | The Post Millennial

justin trudeau: Trudeau warns of 'difficult time,' food shortages due to COVID-19, Health News, ET HealthWorld (indiatimes.com)

Quite a few links to this but CBC.com does not mention it, no surprise there.

Hmmmm.

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A global food crisis looms amid the war in Ukraine. But there's a way Canada can help

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/food-crisis-ukraine-canada-1.6390433

 

Edited April 3, 2022 by eyeball

[Zeitgeist]

Those traditional categories no longer apply.  The true divide is between the corporate executive/senior managerial class versus the workers.   That’s it.  Race and climate change/public safety are largely diversions from this truth, and those overblown “crises” are used mostly to maintain the entrenched interests.  Notice how much your senior management shows up at work?  At $185,000 a year and a gold plated pension our Liberal-NDP dictatorship is in the business of protecting their interests uber alles.  Oh and if the essential workers push back in any meaningful way, expect a boot in the face and the Emergencies Act.  If socio-economic conditions worsen, expect more restrictions and mandates on your digital ID. This time law enforcement will be ready to put down the protesters right away.  Any protest that’s perceived as a threat to the entrenched interests will be declared illegal.  

Edited April 3, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[ironstone]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I doubt it.  Really? Promising, as in something to look forward too?  That's pretty weird spin.

 

Hmmmm.

 

Perhaps it's Trudeau's way of telling Canadians that our food cost will keep increasing for the foreseeable future. Thanks in no small part to his promise to keep increasing carbon taxes which in turn increase the cost of food and everything else.

Even the Liberal Toronto Star writes about it.

Canada planning for global food emergency, as Ukraine attack risks wheat supply | The Star

This is from Trudeau's own mouth..or at least the script that was prepared for him:

"We've seen... disruptions of supply chains around the world, which is resulting in higher prices for consumers and democracies, like ours, and resulting in significant shortages and projected shortages of food, of energy in places around the world. This is going to be a difficult time because of the war, because of the recovery from the pandemic," Trudeau told reporters in Vancouver on Thursday.

 

 

[eyeball]

12 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Canada planning for global food emergency, as Ukraine attack risks wheat supply | The Star

Everyone should have been preparing for food shortages years ago.  We've been putting sustainability issues on the back burner for decades.  This war is simply another bundle of straw on an overloaded camel's back 

[ExFlyer]

 

 

Politics of Canada

Posted by

Danny Philp

 

Mar 22

 

(Please note the following is a personal editorial and not intended as an expression of this Space.)

So it would appear that the Liberals and the NDP have reached a Supply and Confidence agreement to fend off an election until 2525, which would be the “normal” time to hold an election.

For clarity, a Supply and Confidence motion means that one party will support the Governing party on any measure that could trigger an election, specifically budgets and any other vote that is “declared” to be a “Vote of Confidence”.

While the details are a little fuzzy, and it has yet to be confirmed by either party, I wanted to point out several things here.

First of all, a Supply and Confidence motion is not unusual in Minority Governments; it’s not “vote stealing”, it’s not “a power grab” and it’s not unconstitutional; it is exactly how Parliament is designed to function…parties that are closely aligned support each other in exchange for various considerations.

Secondly, the Tories’ reaction to this, while utterly predictable is also completely hyperbolic. (Which, frankly, is equally predictable)

Bergen has said that this is “an NDP-Liberal attempt at government by blackmail. Nation-building is replaced by vote-buying; secret deal-making over parliamentary debate; and opportunism over accountability,” which is utter bullshit.

Westminster Systems function by votes; if the Government can get enough MPs to vote in a specific way, whatever was being voted on passes; this is not blackmail, this is not vote-buying, this is not secret deal-making, it is a completely normal functioning of Parliament and examples of it can not only be found in Canadian history, but literally everywhere there is a Westminster form of Government!

She went on to say “If this NDP-Liberal coalition stands, Canada is in for a very rough ride."; while continuing down the hyperbolic bullshit route, that at least can be excused as politics…but she makes very deliberate use of the “coalition” which is not what a Supply and Confidence agreement is.

A coalition, in Westminster Systems, would mean that the NDP would “get a seat at the table” in Cabinet, which is not happening.

I point this out as the deliberate use of this word is clear dog whistling; while I always say “politicians gunna politician”, it’s unworthy of Bergen to attempt to mislead Canadians about what a Supply and Confidence Motion actually is.

Now! Having said all this, I still suspect (and hope!) that Trudeau will not be leading the Liberals by the end of this Parliament, and ensuring that the Government lasts until the next scheduled election is useful to all parties, including the Tories.

The Liberals get a chance to govern again, the NDP get a chance to not only get their major platform pieces passed, including National Pharmacare and Dental Care, but also to refill their war chests.

The Tories get some breathing room to get their new leader elected and out in front of Canadians for them to judge; while I am confident that Canadians as a whole aren’t interested in whomever the Tories elect as Leader, it does give the new leader time to get his/her face out there and policies in Canadian’s minds.

To any commenters; If you personally approve of this action or not if absolutely your right, but if you start spewing conspiracy nonsense or suggestions that this is somehow illegal or unconstitutional, I will block you.

I’m very happy to have measured, reasoned debate on this issue, but given that my answers and comments tend to get a lot of views, I refuse to allow my answers/comments to become a soap box to spout off demonstrable bullshit.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeu-jagmeet-singh-working-together-1.6392756

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Bergen has said that this is “an NDP-Liberal attempt at government by blackmail. Nation-building is replaced by vote-buying; secret deal-making over parliamentary debate; and opportunism over accountability,” which is utter bullshit.

I agree tghat Conservatives are being hyperbolic but unfortunately there is more than enough secret deal-making and opportunism over accountability in our governance to give the bullshit perception all the oxygen it needs to thrive.

I'd be impressed if Bergen pledged an end to in-camera lobbying which would benefit every voter, outside of government that is.

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 3/26/2022 at 10:43 AM, Zeitgeist said:

The people didn’t choose an NDP government.  The Conservatives got more votes than the Liberals who have swung further left to keep power by getting NDP support on all confidence votes.

Canada is a left wing dictatorship because we have a government imposing policies on the population without the consent of the people.

Oh yeah, Trudeau also trounced on peaceful protesters and citizens’ rights.  The population is at the mercy of an irresponsible tyrant who tries to lecture other countries on the value of democracy.  Our government is a sick joke.

https://apple.news/AkpleuhZoSYi18XRI7IAlAA

We have a representative democracy wherein voters choose MPs who can then organize themselves exactly how they like. 

Edited April 7, 2022 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

The two major parties can also be relied upon to wax indignant about the electoral system and the price of a cell phone until it’s their turn in office. 

Edited April 7, 2022 by SpankyMcFarland

[Moonlight Graham]

On 4/3/2022 at 12:35 PM, eyeball said:

I'm not a fan of right-wing governments. That's why I also never vote for Liberals.

OH SNAP!!  HAHAHA

[Zeitgeist]

6 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

We have a representative democracy wherein voters choose MPs who can then organize themselves exactly how they like. 

We have a minority government that behaves like a dictatorship through back room deal-making to stay in power.  I guess if you enjoy left wing dictatorship, you’ll love this arrangement.

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 4/7/2022 at 11:58 AM, Zeitgeist said:

We have a minority government that behaves like a dictatorship through back room deal-making to stay in power.  I guess if you enjoy left wing dictatorship, you’ll love this arrangement.

Backroom deal-making is an essential part of any democracy. One problem in Canada is our peculiar fear of coalitions. In an era of a declining major parties this phobia makes minority government and various other unstable arrangements more likely. 

[Zeitgeist]

56 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Backroom deal-making is an essential part of any democracy. One problem in Canada is our peculiar fear of coalitions. In an era of a declining major parties this phobia makes minority government and various other unstable arrangements more likely. 

Good.  Keep government on a short leash.  

Edited June 14, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[myata]

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Backroom deal-making is an essential part of any democracy.

Not this democracy. First past the post system severely limits representation of agendas and interests in the (supposedly) representative assembly, from a broad spectrum to exactly two and a bit of default parties and that's a mathematical necessity. So a "coalition" in this case is as useless as it is boring: it does not, and cannot add anything new to the political layout, same old two and a bit.

The problem is not coalitions, but representation. Is it only two default governing corporations, or a broad range of topics, agendas and interests in the society?

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Backroom deal-making is an essential part of any democracy. One problem in Canada is our peculiar fear of coalitions. In an era of a declining major parties this phobia makes minority government and various other unstable arrangements more likely. 

Political backroom deal-making is the bane of our democracy and it happens all the time.  Like rust mistrust never sleeps either and it can only go untreated for so long before whatever is being corroded seizes up and breaks.

The fear of transparency is the bigger underlying phobia and problem here.

I fail to see how a depoliticized Citizen's Assembly could act in the interests of a lobbyist if those interests were inimical to it's constituency. In a Parliament that was essentially filled with independents the lobbyist would have to lobby more than half of them to get what they wanted.

Edited June 14, 2022 by eyeball

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 hours ago, myata said:

Not this democracy. First past the post system severely limits representation of agendas and interests in the (supposedly) representative assembly, from a broad spectrum to exactly two and a bit of default parties and that's a mathematical necessity. So a "coalition" in this case is as useless as it is boring: it does not, and cannot add anything new to the political layout, same old two and a bit.

The problem is not coalitions, but representation. Is it only two default governing corporations, or a broad range of topics, agendas and interests in the society?

FPTP can protect the Liberals and Conservatives only so far. As they continue to decline, other parties will start breaking through in an unpredictable way. Then coalitions will become very difficult to avoid. PR would be a far more sensible way to manage this transition but Canadians have shown little enthusiasm for it. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 3/26/2022 at 1:13 PM, Zeitgeist said:

The people didn’t choose an NDP government.  The Conservatives got more votes than the Liberals who have swung further left to keep power by getting NDP support on all confidence votes.

Canada is a left wing dictatorship because we have a government imposing policies on the population without the consent of the people.

Canadians elected the MPs we now have and they are perfectly free to propose whom they like among them to lead the country. 

[Zeitgeist]

13 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Canadians elected the MPs we now have and they are perfectly free to propose whom they like among them to lead the country. 

So basically the Liberals are the NDP.  True.