Will The Gesundheitspass Actually Be Scrapped?

[Nationalist]

14 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

What a load of dung. LOL

Really?

Refute 1 point. Just 1.

[ExFlyer]

39 minutes ago, myata said:

Bull. Current information: Norway. Peaks do not coincide in all countries, but proportionally to population Ontario's recent peak was in the order of 30 daily, while Norway's 13.

Good science versus shaman, if not charlatan "science".

Bull? It is their own national statistics and information.

[OftenWrong]

5 hours ago, myata said:

How do they set those dates, 27th April when countries dropped restrictions the moment the situation was out of the danger zone or never had them? Can they explain that, why wouldn't they? And in the absence of any reasonable explanation one would have to conclude, rationally and reasonably that there's none. In other words, it's a bunch of modern day shamans, imposters pretending to know something while in fact they have no slightest clue.

Sweden did not have an all-time high in fatality rate since January, 2021 well over a year. It never had a lockdown or mandated policy. Quebec, with masks, vaccinations, lockdowns and curfews just had a second highest peak significantly higher than Sweden's, and with lower population too. If this is not called ineffective and underachieving, what is?

In reality dragging the mandates for as long as possible, or ever (think of a spike in cases before the magical date) is the only approach an ineffective, incompetent and deeply entrenched bureaucracy can think of; it just isn't capable of anything else anymore.

Looking back now, it seems such shutdowns are only useful in the short term, a few weeks. Beyond that they cause harm. Not just the harm to economy or mental health, but makes the virus worse.

What I’m seeing is people getting infected but the ones who were the most restrictive are now getting their ass hammered by Covid 19.

[Zeitgeist]

We just have to let the virus spread.  It’s mild.  If you’re vulnerable be extra careful.  There’s no excuse for vax passes and lockdowns.  Those are about control.

[OftenWrong]

Not sure if you guys mentioned it, but this article says Ontario no longer has a Covid vaccine mandate. Weird how it’s not being posted on other news sites.

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/mandatory-covid-19-vaccination-policies-in-ontario-hospitals-ltc-homes-schools-end-today-1.5818005

Of course they can always reinstate it at a future time, if we the sheeple allow it.

[Faramir]

22 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/experts-say-vaccine-passports-can-be-reassessed-but-urge-caution-in-scrapping-them-1.5768550

"Experts say" is CTVtard-speak for "EVERYONE IN THE WORLD WHO EVER WENT TO MEDICAL SCHOOL OR STUDIED VIROLOGY OR EPIDEMIOLOGY IS 100% IN AGREEMENT THAT "THIS. IS. SPARTAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!" [aka, THE SCIENCE!]

Saying anything other than "we should be careful before we get rid of the gesundheitspass" is like saying that you believe the earth is flat in the eyes of leftists.

What she means is that approximately 300 triple-jabbed Canadians are dying of omicron every week, and twice as many jabbed people are dying as unjabbed, but we should still be popping jabs like Pez just in case they mysteriously start to work, while unjabbed people start dropping like flies. Hmmmm. 

It seems pretty random that that vax would start to work all of a sudden, considering that the number of ways that the virus could mutate is almost infinite, but whatever. Maybe we should just take penicillin for the rest of our lives too, just so that we don't syphilis from a toilet seat, like some random guy that she never met. 

Is the gesundheitspass really going to go away for good? 

Is the provincial one just getting scrapped to make way for a federal one this fall, which will have broader punishments for the untermensch? 

 

Sounds like BC is moving that way, but you know there will always be those that want to keep it.

[Faramir]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Sweden did not have mandatory lockdowns but, it suffered the consequences. As theor commision stated "https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sweden-report-coronavirus-1.6364154"  https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sweden-report-coronavirus-1.6364154

 

Norway did not have vaccine passports but are now suffering the consequences https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/norway/

Sweden did no worse than the USA

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Faramir said:

Sounds like BC is moving that way, but you know there will always be those that want to keep it.

For sure there are. The paranoia is deep here. My mother-in-law was watching hours of news every night and she became a wreck. We tried to tell her to dial it down but she couldn't. I think she's losing it now. It's really sad.

I went over to her house to drop my son off there and when I got to the dorr, that's when she informed me that she was going to take her dog in to put him down. Uh, ok...?

I said: "I'll take the kid home, it's probably not a great time for a visit."

She said: "Can you come in and look at him?"

I came up to the house, and went in, thinking that he'd be laying down whimpering or something, but when I went in the door he ran around me wagging his tail. I don't know what he could have done to look any healthier. I really thought hard about not having my son over there for unsupervised visits anymore. It's a hard step to take, but wtf? 

She wasn't anything like this before covid. She's a total wreck now. 

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

For sure there are. The paranoia is deep here. My mother-in-law was watching hours of news every night and she became a wreck. We tried to tell her to dial it down but she couldn't. I think she's losing it now. It's really sad.

I went over to her house to drop my son off there and when I got to the dorr, that's when she informed me that she was going to take her dog in to put him down. Uh, ok...?

I said: "I'll take the kid home, it's probably not a great time for a visit."

She said: "Can you come in and look at him?"

I came up to the house, and went in, thinking that he'd be laying down whimpering or something, but when I went in the door he ran around me wagging his tail. I don't know what he could have done to look any healthier. I really thought hard about not having my son over there for unsupervised visits anymore. It's a hard step to take, but wtf? 

She wasn't anything like this before covid. She's a total wreck now. 

Your son will be fine around her.  In times of stress family must come together.  That is the purpose of family.

[myata]

14 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Bull? It is their own national statistics and information.

The numbers were posted. What is not clear here?

Norway, no vaccination mandates, peak fatality rate: 13

Sweden, no mandates or lockdowns, ever: 50

Ontario, count lost of mandates and lockdowns: 80+

Proportional to Ontario's population: 35; 70.5; 82. That is Ontario, Quebec with the same plus curfews, even worse: 73 versus Sweden's 50, with a smaller population.

What else can be added here? These are the facts, what kind of bullsh*t pseudo "science" can convince you that objective facts looking in your face are wrong and their mantra, the correct, alternate reality?

Edited March 15, 2022 by myata

[ExFlyer]

10 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

For sure there are. The paranoia is deep here. My mother-in-law was watching hours of news every night and she became a wreck. We tried to tell her to dial it down but she couldn't. I think she's losing it now. It's really sad.

I went over to her house to drop my son off there and when I got to the dorr, that's when she informed me that she was going to take her dog in to put him down. Uh, ok...?

I said: "I'll take the kid home, it's probably not a great time for a visit."

She said: "Can you come in and look at him?"

I came up to the house, and went in, thinking that he'd be laying down whimpering or something, but when I went in the door he ran around me wagging his tail. I don't know what he could have done to look any healthier. I really thought hard about not having my son over there for unsupervised visits anymore. It's a hard step to take, but wtf? 

She wasn't anything like this before covid. She's a total wreck now. 

There are all sorts of people and all sorts of reactions to all sorts of things. Right now, people are having fits over Ukraine.

Perhaps your Mother needs help. Don't blame COVID or health mandates, perhaps your Mother is a bit.... over reactionary?

 

[Zeitgeist]

The Canadian federal government treats its own population like slaves.  End all testing requirements and vaccine passports immediately.  They are unconstitutional and create two tiers of citizenship.

Travel has become such a hassle that people are discouraged from doing it.  It’s unhealthy and oppressive.   Elderly people struggle to navigate the system, but we all suffer because of these arbitrary overbearing rules.   Canada is not very free anymore.  I think it’s time for provinces to seriously consider secession, because the federal government works against the interests of citizens.

https://apple.news/AlzVl_tf3RimKiRs6ZOyWUA

[West]

12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

For sure there are. The paranoia is deep here. My mother-in-law was watching hours of news every night and she became a wreck. We tried to tell her to dial it down but she couldn't. I think she's losing it now. It's really sad.

I went over to her house to drop my son off there and when I got to the dorr, that's when she informed me that she was going to take her dog in to put him down. Uh, ok...?

I said: "I'll take the kid home, it's probably not a great time for a visit."

She said: "Can you come in and look at him?"

I came up to the house, and went in, thinking that he'd be laying down whimpering or something, but when I went in the door he ran around me wagging his tail. I don't know what he could have done to look any healthier. I really thought hard about not having my son over there for unsupervised visits anymore. It's a hard step to take, but wtf? 

She wasn't anything like this before covid. She's a total wreck now. 

Yes those who watch CBC live in a paranoid state. 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

 

Perhaps your Mother needs help. Don't blame COVID or health mandates, perhaps your Mother is a bit.... over reactionary?

-in-law, and yeah, she's always been one to get in a flap about things, but she's not recovering.

Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. She actually used to volunteer at the hospital, talking to people on palliative care or reading them books when they had no one to visit them. It's not something that I could ever do.  

[West]

Looks like Trudeau is going after chartered flights for not checking the for Gesundheitspass. 

https://t.co/pISAghBRUT

 

Edited March 15, 2022 by West

[Zeitgeist]

48 minutes ago, West said:

Looks like Trudeau is going after chartered flights for not checking the for Gesundheitspass. 

https://t.co/pISAghBRUT

 

Yup this is how our government operates.  They’ll use an unjust law to destroy their political opponents.  Anyone who doesn’t see this now is asleep.  There’s no scientific or reasonable justification for vaccine mandates and passports.  The government is making an example of people.  Disagree with unjust fascist policies and you will be de-platformed, charged, and humiliated.

”Do we make space for these people?”

J. Trudeau 

”They have unacceptable views.”

J. Trudeau 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, West said:

Yes those who watch CBC live in a paranoid state. 

CBC, CTV, Global... same shit different pile. 

They all ran covid disinformation and fear mongering 24/7 for the last 2 years. Now the topic is toxic for them so they dropped it like a hot potato. 

[West]

51 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yup this is how our government operates.  They’ll use an unjust law to destroy their political opponents.  Anyone who doesn’t see this now is asleep.  There’s no scientific or reasonable justification for vaccine mandates and passports.  The government is making an example of people.  Disagree with unjust fascist policies and you will be de-platformed, charged, and humiliated.

”Do we make space for these people?”

J. Trudeau 

”They have unacceptable views.”

J. Trudeau 

I dont make space for Nazis like Trudeau. The man is a disease to this once great country

[West]

You guessed it. Some leftists found Premier Moe's "two classes of citizens" comments "offensive". 

https://www.ckom.com/2022/03/11/moe-apologizes-for-two-classes-of-citizen-remark/

 

Well I find the Gesundheitspass offensive too

[Zeitgeist]

31 minutes ago, West said:

You guessed it. Some leftists found Premier Moe's "two classes of citizens" comments "offensive". 

https://www.ckom.com/2022/03/11/moe-apologizes-for-two-classes-of-citizen-remark/

 

Well I find the Gesundheitspass offensive too

Well both are wrong.  The Indian Act and the whole reserve system is racist, apartheid-like policy.  Yes it’s been reformed but it’s still two-tier citizenship.  The problem is that many Indigenous want to keep the devil they know rather than scrap it, because it does provide financial incentives tied to ethnic identity.  Unfortunately, Indigenous affairs are very fraught and hard to untangle without upsetting people.  Indigenous will have to make the changes to policies that impact them.

The Nazi health purity pass is also immoral, but the public has to demand its removal.  For some reasons, perhaps defeat, exhaustion, fear, tribalism, etc., the government is getting away with maintaining this oppressive policy, even after its mounted police trampled an Indigenous disabled woman who protested the vaccine mandates.  How much regard does our government really have for Canadians?

[West]

9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well both are wrong.  The Indian Act and the whole reserve system is racist, apartheid-like policy.  Yes it’s been reformed but it’s still two-tier citizenship.  The problem is that many Indigenous want to keep the devil they know rather than scrap it, because it does provide financial incentives tied to ethnic identity.  Unfortunately, Indigenous affairs are very fraught and hard to untangle without upsetting people.  Indigenous will have to make the changes to policies that impact them.

The Nazi health purity pass is also immoral, but the public has to demand its removal.  For some reasons, perhaps defeat, exhaustion, fear, tribalism, etc., the government is getting away with maintaining this oppressive policy, even after its mounted police trampled an Indigenous disabled woman who protested the vaccine mandates.  How much regard does our government really have for Canadians?

I'm glad sask got rid of the Gesundheitspass even if I'm suspicious for what's to come in the fall

[Zeitgeist]

15 minutes ago, West said:

I'm glad sask got rid of the Gesundheitspass even if I'm suspicious for what's to come in the fall

Trudeau is holding onto them.  My guess is that another crisis will be manufactured soon to justify continued unconstitutional controls over the population.  I take that stance until I see the Nazi health purity pass removed.  I don’t trust our government because they’ve proven themselves to be an oppressive anti-democratic force.  

[Goddess]

Scotland is scrapping its passport app:

Scottish Government scraps £7 million COVID passport app - Rebel News

 

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The app has seen widespread criticism from opposition parties, including the Scottish Lib Dems, who say that the vaccine passports do not keep people safe.

“Liberal Democrats were the only party to consistently oppose COVID passports from the very start because they don’t keep people safe,” said Alex Cole-Hamilton, leader of the Scottish Lib Dems. “Everyone knew you could have a vaccine passport but still have COVID.”

Scottish Conservatives have also opposed the vaccine passport, with COVID recovery spokesman Murdo Fraser stating, “The SNP Government’s vaccine passport scheme was an unmitigated shambles from the start.”

“The scheme cost struggling Scottish businesses vital profits just when they were beginning to recover from the pandemic, and had no proven impact whatsoever on COVID transmission,” Fraser added.

Following its launch in October last year, the expensive phone app has been plagued with technical issues, and many Scottish citizens simply refused to download the app.

 

Mass non-compliance.

It works.

[dialamah]

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Scotland is scrapping its passport app:

Scottish Government scraps £7 million COVID passport app - Rebel News

 

Mass non-compliance.

It works.

So does compliance: BC scrapped it's passport requirements two weeks ago.  

[Goddess]

5 minutes ago, dialamah said:

So does compliance.

Chinese people might beg to differ with you.

I doubt "compliance" was why it was scrapped in BC. 

More like the pass is losing in court cases all over the world AND because people are finally waking up to the fact that having the passport does not guarantee you do not have or will not get covid.