War In Ukraine

[Yzermandius19]

10 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

A question for all of you:

If India attacked China in order to save the Uigher people, would you condemn the Indians?

yeah

that would be stupid

you don't get a pass for starting a war of aggression 

because you sprinkle in some humanitarian pixie dust

to try to justify it

Edited April 26, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

yeah

that would be stupid

you don't get a pass for starting a war

because you sprinkle in some humanitarian pixie dust

Interesting. Principled. Ok.

[taxme]

On 4/24/2022 at 6:28 AM, BeaverFever said:

A more accurate measure of Russian lack-of-success and the long-term damage Putin has done is described in the right-wing infotainment circular Daily Mail

Putin's mighty war machine on the SCRAPHEAP: After two months of fighting, Russia has now lost 873 tanks, 179 aircraft, 21,800 troops... and the pride of its navy is lying on the bottom of the Black Sea 
 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10747991/Russia-lost-873-tanks-179-aircraft-21-800-troops-just-two-months-fighting.html

Of course, you must be able to also accurately supply any information to us all here as to how much Ukranian military losses have taken place so far, and as to how many Ukranian soldiers have died so far, right?

I will wait for those numbers. Just don't keep me waiting forever, eh? ?

[taxme]

On 4/22/2022 at 3:18 PM, Yzermandius19 said:

I do listen to the other side

you make fun of people for believing anything the media says

but believing nothing the media says is equally as intellectually lazy

media says Russia bad, Russia losing

therefore Russia good, Russia winning

is the height of stupidity

Hitler drank water

that doesn't mean you shouldn't drink water

the truth is not always the opposite of the words and actions of people you don't like

this is an obvious pitfall in your reactionary mindset

You should read my new book that I just finished writing and is now out for sale. It's called "How To Be "Right". Great reading indeed even if I do say so myself. Try reading a little right wokeism for a change. Just saying. ?

[athos]

The Latest reports from Azovstal Mariupol show that Azov soldiers are not in very desirable position.

 

[athos]

Kiev has to face a big problem of its own

Ukrainians must now have significant military strength in Kiev
because in a panic without records, they distributed +20,000 pieces of automatics
weapons. Even to the convicts they released from prison. Now someone has to defend civilians from well
armed gangs who don't think of fighting the Russians.
They are there for everyone who has some property and no weapons.
They can easily declare someone a Russian spy or saboteur and rob or liquidate.
Regular police have no chance against these bandits.

Edited April 27, 2022 by athos

[BeaverFever]

On 4/25/2022 at 9:50 AM, Nationalist said:

Oh Pot/Kettle!!!

Beave...you...of all people...are not in a position to accuse anyone of being a shill.

Just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t meant they’re a shill.  The guy is literally a Russian propagandist, you didn’t notice that when he quoted me the text rendered in the Russian alphabet?

[BeaverFever]

On 4/26/2022 at 3:33 PM, taxme said:

Of course, you must be able to also accurately supply any information to us all here as to how much Ukranian military losses have taken place so far, and as to how many Ukranian soldiers have died so far, right?

I will wait for those numbers. Just don't keep me waiting forever, eh? ?

Leas than Russia if you don’t count civilian casualties, dummy.
 

Ukraine is still fighting despite being a fraction of Russia’s size, and most of its forces being fresh recruits… that’s all that matters….being that their the defenders they  would also have an advantage.  Attackers always take more casualties than defenders.  

Russia claims 14,000 Ukrainian troops have been killed but given their constant that’s not likely. Even so it’s still lower that Russian losses.  More likely Ukraine has 5,000 or fewer military casualties 
 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2022/04/26/russia-ukraine-wars-mounting-death-toll-latest-estimates-suggest-russian-troops-have-been-hit-harder/amp/

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t meant they’re a shill.  The guy is literally a Russian propagandist, you didn’t notice that when he quoted me the text rendered in the Russian alphabet?

Lol...my wife reads Russian. 

You...

Calling anyone a propagandist is killer funny.

[BeaverFever]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...my wife reads Russian. 

You...

Calling anyone a propagandist is killer funny.

So when she replies to posts it comes ip as Russian text?

 

im not a propagandist, I’m just someone who disagrees with you. You can’t tell the difference….because you only listen to propagandists

[Charles Anthony]

Stop with the personal banter. 

Do not clutter this thread if you have nothing to add to the topic of discussion. 

[Nationalist]

14 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

So when she replies to posts it comes ip as Russian text?

 

im not a propagandist, I’m just someone who disagrees with you. You can’t tell the difference….because you only listen to propagandists

In central Europe, they are tired of refugees and do not want to be the next nation having its gas supply cut off. That's the reality over there.

Putin already has what he wanted all along. Land access to Crimea. This "war" is about to end.

[BeaverFever]

20 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

In central Europe, they are tired of refugees and do not want to be the next nation having its gas supply cut off. That's the reality over there.

Putin already has what he wanted all along. Land access to Crimea. This "war" is about to end.

In Central Europe they’re NATO countries who now realize their mistake of believing Russia could be a trusted neighbour and trading partner.
 

That’s not what Putin wanted all along, that’s the consolation prize he’s trying to settle for 

Edited April 28, 2022 by BeaverFever

[athos]

 

Since the EU has banned the use of the letters Z and V, the Russians are moving to new labels!

 

 

[athos]

6 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

In Central Europe they’re NATO countries who now realize their mistake of believing Russia could be a trusted neighbour and trading partner.
 

That’s not what Putin wanted all along, that’s the consolation prize he’s trying to settle for 

 

This is not a war between Russia and Ukraine, but between Russia and NATO (America). Ukraine is just being used as another American puppet.

 

 

[Yzermandius19]

32 minutes ago, athos said:

 

This is not a war between Russia and Ukraine, but between Russia and NATO (America). Ukraine is just being used as another American puppet.

 

 

Ukraine is fighting for Ukraine

if they were fighting for America

they would not be putting up this kind of fight

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

In Central Europe they’re NATO countries who now realize their mistake of believing Russia could be a trusted neighbour and trading partner.
 

That’s not what Putin wanted all along, that’s the consolation prize he’s trying to settle for 

What was it Biden said right at the beginning? 

"I think what you’re going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does. It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do, et cetera"

this was decided on before it ever started.

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

What was it Biden said right at the beginning? 

"I think what you’re going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does. It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do, et cetera"

this was decided on before it ever started.

this is no minor incursion

and the reaction to the invasion

was not what it would have been had it been a minor incursion

Biden just said some dumb shit

nothing was decided on prior and going exactly as planned

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

this is no minor incursion

and the reaction to the invasion

was not what it would have been had it been a minor incursion

Biden just said some dumb shit

nothing was decided on prior and going exactly as planned

Ya...we'll see about that...won't we.

[Yzermandius19]

38 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ya...we'll see about that...won't we.

it is plain to see right now

no need to predict

it has already happened

Edited April 28, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

it is plain to see right now

no need to predict

it has already happened

It's not plain to see. Its actually rather plain that the Donbas region was the goal all along and it looks like Biden knew about this before it all started.

[Yzermandius19]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

It's not plain to see. Its actually rather plain that the Donbas region was the goal all along and it looks like Biden knew about this before it all started.

no it wasn't

if that was all they wanted

there would have been no need to invade all of the areas they invaded

that just slowed them down in the Donbas by spreading out the forces

and if it had been just a limited incursion in the Donbas

the western response would have been far more muted

Biden didn't know shit, he's a house plant

Edited April 28, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Nationalist]

33 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

no it wasn't

if that was all they wanted

there would have been no need to invade all of the areas they invaded

that just slowed them down in the Donbas by spreading out the forces

and if it had been just a limited incursion in the Donbas

the western response would have been far more muted

Biden didn't know shit, he's a house plant

LOL...OK well...I agree that Biden is a "house plant" but...

Neither you nor I really know what Putin's objective was. The quote from Biden strongly suggests for knowledge of it all though. And it makes some sense.

- Load in a force in the Donbas

- Load in a force to the north and make a lot of noise around Kiev and Chernoble (diversion and split Ukrainian forces)

- Destroy some buildings, take over the infamous nuke plant and blow up some bio-labs

- Hold off forces at southern region of Ukraine near Crimea

- Take Mariopol

- Move large force to Donbas

- Assume control of Donbas

 

[BeaverFever]

8 hours ago, athos said:

 

This is not a war between Russia and Ukraine, but between Russia and NATO (America). Ukraine is just being used as another American puppet.

 

 

Yeah because most people like being invaded by fascist dictators. Enjoy your empty store shelves, Vlad. 

[BeaverFever]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

What was it Biden said right at the beginning? 

"I think what you’re going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does. It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do, et cetera"

this was decided on before it ever started.

Lol Huh????