Zeitgeist Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, Nationalist said: True on both accounts. As far as I'm concerned, neither are worth the oxygen they utilize. I'm gonna watch this September nomination with enhanced interest. Should the CPC nominate a Libbie...the PPC will be getting my vote. If such actions happen all over the nation, then maybe the CPC will learn a lesson finally. Yeah I want a conservative leading the Conservative party. There’s nothing to fear from a social conservative perspective. It’s all upside down anyway because the Liberal party are no longer lessez faire. They’re about government overreach and intervention in the minutiae of our lives. There’s nothing liberal-democrat about the Liberal Party of Canada or NDP. Self-serving elitists. Very anti-worker. 3 Quote
Moonbox Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Nationalist said: I'm gonna watch this September nomination with enhanced interest. Should the CPC nominate a Libbie...the PPC will be getting my vote. If such actions happen all over the nation, then maybe the CPC will learn a lesson finally. That would be great. If the conspiracy goofs would all join up with Maxime's clown parade, then maybe we could form a realistic, adult opposition to Trudeau Liberalism. Meanwhile you guys lose all your elections with little/no seats but can still high-five each other about how "conservative" you are. ? Edited March 10, 2022 by Moonbox 1 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Nationalist Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Moonbox said: That would be great. If the conspiracy goofs would all join up with Maxime's clown parade, then maybe we could form a realistic, adult opposition to Trudeau Liberalism. Meanwhile you guys lose all your elections with little/no seats but can still high-five each other about how "conservative" you are. ? Conspiracy goofs? What conspiracy goofs and what conspiracies might you be blithering about...mole? You own words betray you Moonie. You are prefectly willing to forsake any principals you may or may not have had, in order to gain power. THAT is a trait the Libbies exhibit hourly. You're not a Conservative...you're a...what was the term you used...oh ya..."goof"! 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Army Guy Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Moonbox said: 1.... and you're proposing Pierre Poilievre as the solution...HE'S the one who's going to heal the divide. My freaking god man.. ? 2....but the rest of Canada wants nothing to do with these goofs. The trucker protest, the conspiracy clowns, the trump-wannabes...You don't have to be a Trudeau supporter to be revolted by these loud, mal-adjusted idiot babies. 3. It's how democracy works. It's about choosing. I think this Trudeau is the worst PM we've ever had, and the only one who could contend with him is his late father. That being said, there are always worse options. If the Conservative Party decides that cozying up with the Freedom Convoy, the anti-science crowd, the Pat Kings and Tamara Lichs', that hyperbole and ignorance is what they want to be about and the attitudes they decide to validate - I'd vote for almost anyone against them. The Conservative Party hasn't compromised. That's the problem. They've just found themselves on the wrong side of the issues over and over and over again. For gay marriage or abortion or anything like that, the best they've been able to accomplish is Harper muzzling the evangelical loudmouths and whipping the Party into submission. Pierre can't even do that. 1....I have already stated I am not a fan of Pierre's, but right now he has the majority of support with in the party, do you really see anyone else that is going to get more votes, not saying it is a sure thing , but if one could predict a win it is not going to be a centrist conservative...That ship has sailed... 2....So you don't like the fringe that has attached itself to the conservative party, I think they belong to max's crowd myself and just attached themselves to Cons for a brief ride... But hey if in your mind you see these people or groups far worse than the worst PM ever, worse in the terms of anything Justin and his goons have done, then that is your chioce...There is always going to be groups that you will not agree with, in all the parties...but your implying throwing the baby out with the bath water....just on principle... just not enough principle to want to see Justin back in the drama class room. 3...Place your vote any where you want...Not sure how Pierre deeds could come even close to Justins, but thats me and it is your decision.....and if the majority of Canadians want to go that route once again Fine....like i said before that will be the government Canadians will deserve...another 4 years with the worst PM ever... 3. I'm not trying to tell you what you think, but obviously you dislike this fringe group more than Justin and everything he has done, or not done ... or there would be no doubt that Justin is a dirt bag that should be removed at all costs...Had the cons been in power do you think no one from the liberal party would have went out to talk to the protesters... it is politics we are talking about right... 4. they have not compromised ?...give me one example, where conservatives in the last 3 elections, ran on a anti abortion, gay, platform....The Liberals campaigned on those lies...telling voters that is exactly what they were going to do.. Cons denied it all repeatedly to no avail people would not listen... so you show me where the have campaigned on a anti gay or abortion platform...The conservative party has stated and voted for most bills that support anti abortion or gay marriage rights... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Nefarious Banana Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 Does anyone think that any other Liberal PM would have acted as Justin Trudeau did during the Truckers Convoy? Trudeau hiding out for 2 1/2 weeks . . . . sniping all the racist/misogynist insults. Emergency Act. Can you visualize 'The little guy from Shawinigan' acting as Trudeau has? Quote
Moonbox Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 24 minutes ago, Army Guy said: 1....I have already stated I am not a fan of Pierre's, but right now he has the majority of support with in the party, do you really see anyone else that is going to get more votes, not saying it is a sure thing , but if one could predict a win it is not going to be a centrist conservative...That ship has sailed... You may be right, but that's a clear path to election defeat. The CPC is in denial. They think O'Toole lost because he wasn't "conservative" enough, but that's not true at all. He lost because he played coy with the most extreme elements of the party and in so doing scared away any chance of getting centrist votes. Before you say anything, nobody cares what you think a centrist vote is. All that matters is that it's in and around the middle of the Canadian political spectrum. 24 minutes ago, Army Guy said: 2....So you don't like the fringe that has attached itself to the conservative party, I think they belong to max's crowd myself and just attached themselves to Cons for a brief ride... But hey if in your mind you see these people or groups far worse than the worst PM ever, worse in the terms of anything Justin and his goons have done, then that is your chioce... I don't share your wild exaggerations on "what Justin has done", nor do the majority of Canadians. I think he's a terrible Prime Minister and I'd vote for any number of the Conservative candidates happily. I just wouldn't vote for someone like Poilievre or Leslyn Lewis. 24 minutes ago, Army Guy said: 3. I'm not trying to tell you what you think, but obviously you dislike this fringe group more than Justin and everything he has done, or not done ... or there would be no doubt that Justin is a dirt bag that should be removed at all costs...Had the cons been in power do you think no one from the liberal party would have went out to talk to the protesters... it is politics we are talking about right... I don't agree that Justin should be removed at all costs. Embracing Trump-style politics north of the border, with the conspiracy theories, anti-science, ignorance and inflammatory hyperbole isn't worth it, and most Canadians will agree with that sentiment. There are plenty of alternatives that can make the CPC a big-tent group - candidates who would abandon bad energy policy, trim the public sector waste, chill out on woke-overreach etc. The insistence on packaging that all with the fringe retards is self-defeating. If that's what you're looking for, go join Maxime's clownshow. 24 minutes ago, Army Guy said: 4. they have not compromised ?...give me one example, where conservatives in the last 3 elections, ran on a anti abortion, gay, platform....The Liberals campaigned on those lies... No. They haven't. They can't run on those issues because they're complete non-starters. Not committing overt political suicide is hardly a compromise. Their problem is they cannot appropriately assure the majority of Canada they'll emphatically uphold these rights. Harper silenced this debate by muzzling the idiots who wanted to bring it up. His successors haven't had the courage to do so and that's not good enough for Canadians. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Moonbox Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said: Does anyone think that any other Liberal PM would have acted as Justin Trudeau did during the Truckers Convoy? Trudeau hiding out for 2 1/2 weeks . . . . sniping all the racist/misogynist insults. Emergency Act. Can you visualize 'The little guy from Shawinigan' acting as Trudeau has? There's a good point. I would bet that any number of Liberal alternatives would have handled the situation better. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Army Guy Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, Moonbox said: 1....You may be right, but that's a clear path to election defeat. The CPC is in denial. They think O'Toole lost because he wasn't "conservative" enough, but that's not true at all. He lost because he played coy with the most extreme elements of the party and in so doing scared away any chance of getting centrist votes. Before you say anything, nobody cares what you think a centrist vote is. All that matters is that it's in and around the middle of the Canadian political spectrum. 2. I don't share your wild exaggerations on "what Justin has done", nor do the majority of Canadians. I think he's a terrible Prime Minister and I'd vote for any number of the Conservative candidates happily. I just wouldn't vote for someone like Poilievre or Leslyn Lewis. 3... I don't agree that Justin should be removed at all costs. Embracing Trump-style politics north of the border, with the conspiracy theories, anti-science, ignorance and inflammatory hyperbole isn't worth it, and most Canadians will agree with that sentiment. There are plenty of alternatives that can make the CPC a big-tent group - candidates who would abandon bad energy policy, trim the public sector waste, chill out on woke-overreach etc. The insistence on packaging that all with the fringe retards is self-defeating. If that's what you're looking for, go join Maxime's clownshow. 4... No. They haven't. They can't run on those issues because they're complete non-starters. Not committing overt political suicide is hardly a compromise. Their problem is they cannot appropriately assure the majority of Canada they'll emphatically uphold these rights. Harper silenced this debate by muzzling the idiots who wanted to bring it up. His successors haven't had the courage to do so and that's not good enough for Canadians. 1.... I don't think it is denial, i think they are getting tired of losing what a conservative really means, all in the attempt to chase votes in the center...and truly at this point they would have to get much redder to attract enough votes to win... might as well have 4 left parties.... 2. Well i think my lies as you call them are well documented, a quick google search could solve that issue , if your up for it.....But I'm not here trying to convince you to vote for anyone... infact I've told you dozens of times vote for whom ever you want ... it sounds like your vote is going to be a protest vote anyway... I'll try to make this a little clearer it's your vote use it as you see fit.. and if the Majority of Canadians want to vote liberal thats how democracy works, ...What i can tell you right now i looks like Pierre is going to be the front runner, thats decision is beyond me and you.. like i said he is not my first pick and if i don't like his platform i will not vote, as i did the last election when O Toole flipped flopped....not sure why that is so hard to grasp.... 3... Thats my opinion, nobody said anything about embracing anything, thats you making assumptions. huge ones... 4. My point exactly..... they have changed a lot of the parties main speaking points and Compromised to bring the party more inline with todays Canada... But some how the people still think a vote for conservatives will end the world.... and will instead throw their votes at liberals like tunnies at a stripper at a PM they describe as the worst ever, thats good voting practices.... I've asked you a few times, tell me where the Conservatives have failed to compromise on this nations most important issues...Or where their platform goes wrong... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Army Guy said: 1.... I don't think it is denial, i think they are getting tired of losing what a conservative really means, all in the attempt to chase votes in the center...and truly at this point they would have to get much redder to attract enough votes to win... might as well have 4 left parties.... What a conservative really means is a silly notion to begin with - a carry over from Trump's RINO foolishness and exactly the sort of thing that turns away most Canadians. If you don't care about votes in the centre, then by all means elect Pierre Poilievre. He'll do a great job whipping up the base and might even pull a lot of the PPC voters towards him. He just won't ever win an election. You'll just be the Western alternative to the Bloc. 52 minutes ago, Army Guy said: 3... Thats my opinion, nobody said anything about embracing anything, thats you making assumptions. huge ones... I'm not talking about you specifically, that was the proverbial you. You're more thoughtful and curious and open to ideas than most of the goobers yelling in here. As for Pierre Poilievre, he IS embracing those politics - the rabid hyperbole, the conspiracy fringe, the Trump-style anger etc... 52 minutes ago, Army Guy said: 4. My point exactly..... they have changed a lot of the parties main speaking points and Compromised to bring the party more inline with todays Canada... But some how the people still think a vote for conservatives will end the world.... and will instead throw their votes at liberals like tunnies at a stripper at a PM they describe as the worst ever, thats good voting practices.... It's up to them to assure Canadians they won't mess around with Human Rights issues, and they won't unequivocally stand up for them. They sort of look down at their feet and mumble some stuff that satisfies nobody. It's a line in the sand for most Canadians That the CPC keeps faceplanting on these issues is one of the oldest jokes in Canadian politics. The Liberal strategiss just sort of snicker and nudge each other and say, "Just ask them how strongly they believe in a woman's right to choose." On these specific issues, I at least understand Pierre won't make any changes, but that's not the case for most of Canada. Where Pierre the worm loses me is in his embracing of the Freedom Convoy, conspiracy theorists and Trump-style hyperbole. Whatever benefit of the doubt Canadians might have given him on abortion or gay rights is lost here. 52 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I've asked you a few times, tell me where the Conservatives have failed to compromise on this nations most important issues...Or where their platform goes wrong... I have described it numerous times, and once again in the paragraphs above. Edited March 10, 2022 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Zeitgeist Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 This is why the country is going to hell in a hand basket and Trudeau will keep getting elected: irrational public fear of thinking for yourself and not going along with the anti-Canada woke green oppression plan. Crush the public with taxes and subsistence welfare, make people feel ashamed of their country and traditions (religion, family, constitution, history), and stoke fear about ideas that run counter to the government’s narrative. It’s so predictable now. You just aren’t that free in Canada anymore, and now you’re getting poorer. Quote
Moonbox Posted March 11, 2022 Report Posted March 11, 2022 8 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: It’s so predictable now. You just aren’t that free in Canada anymore, and now you’re getting poorer. I'm doing fine thanks. Cope harder. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
WestCanMan Posted March 11, 2022 Report Posted March 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: I'm doing fine thanks. George Soros did ok too, back when all the other Jews in Germany were being rounded up. What's your point? Some of us never expected that ignorance and moral bankruptcy would be prerequisites for being happy in this country. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
Zeitgeist Posted March 11, 2022 Report Posted March 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Moonbox said: I'm doing fine thanks. Cope harder. Yeah you’re the sadistic type. Caught it early on. Rationalization of crap behaviour because that’s your jam. Ignorance disguised as arrogance. Quote
Infidel Dog Posted March 11, 2022 Report Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) 20 hours ago, Moonbox said: What a conservative really means is a silly notion to begin with How would you know? Be honest. What you mean is a Progressive Socialist doesn't like the idea of conservatism. Yeah OK...so...? But please, do continue telling us over here on the right how we need to vote for our new leader. Edited March 11, 2022 by Infidel Dog Quote
Boges Posted March 11, 2022 Report Posted March 11, 2022 I really like Patrick Brown. He can certainly sell Memberships. I hope he wins. Many probably see him as no-better than Liberals, but those people will have the CPC in permanent wilderness. Quote
Infidel Dog Posted March 11, 2022 Report Posted March 11, 2022 Some of us remember Brown as mayor of Brampton banning kids and others from public sporting facilities while he and his buddies enjoyed playing pickup hockey there: Then he got all pissy with Rebel Media for catching him: Quote
Queenmandy85 Posted March 11, 2022 Report Posted March 11, 2022 It still comes down to a vote for Mr. Poilievre, Ms. Lewis or Mr. MacKay is a vote for Prime Minister Trudeau. If you want to remove Mr. Trudeau, vote for Jean Charest. Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Moonbox Posted March 11, 2022 Report Posted March 11, 2022 4 hours ago, Infidel Dog said: How would you know? Be honest. What you mean is a Progressive Socialist doesn't like the idea of conservatism. Yeah OK...so...? But please, do continue telling us over here on the right how we need to vote for our new leader. I'm saying that your brand of conservatism is a fantasy in Canadian politics, and that you're only fooling yourselves thinking you can win elections with it. Like the Reform Party of the 90's, what you hope to see from the CPC Leadership will fail miserably in BC and anywhere east of Manitoba. Go ahead and choose it. You'll be sulking in the corner with the Bloc Quebecqois after the next election. 23 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: It still comes down to a vote for Mr. Poilievre, Ms. Lewis or Mr. MacKay is a vote for Prime Minister Trudeau. If you want to remove Mr. Trudeau, vote for Jean Charest. I think MacKay is moderate enough to carry some of the centre vote, and he's not a worm like Poilievre nor a Bible-thumper like Lewis. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Queenmandy85 Posted March 11, 2022 Report Posted March 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: I think MacKay is moderate enough to carry some of the centre vote, and he's not a worm like Poilievre nor a Bible-thumper like Lewis. MacKay stabbed the Conservative party in the back. He was the Judas that lept into bed with Socialist Credit / Reform. Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Moonbox Posted March 11, 2022 Report Posted March 11, 2022 I must admit I don't know anything about that. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
WestCanMan Posted March 11, 2022 Report Posted March 11, 2022 On 3/10/2022 at 6:52 AM, Moonbox said: That would be great. If the conspiracy goofs would all join up with Maxime's clown parade, No one's going all the way from voting for Trudeau to voting PPC. Quote then maybe we could form a realistic, adult opposition to Trudeau Liberalism. Unless you can make Lisa LaFlamme do this ? it's hard to oppose Trudeau. Quote Meanwhile you guys lose all your elections with little/no seats but can still high-five each other about how "conservative" you are. ? Conservatives won the popular vote the last two elections in a row, and if you count the 4 previous elections it's probably 5 for 6. We're not a small fringe group, we just lose all the close votes in Ontario. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
WestCanMan Posted March 11, 2022 Report Posted March 11, 2022 3 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said: It still comes down to a vote for Mr. Poilievre, Ms. Lewis or Mr. MacKay is a vote for Prime Minister Trudeau. If you want to remove Mr. Trudeau, vote for Jean Charest. That's a new one. No thanks. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
Army Guy Posted March 11, 2022 Report Posted March 11, 2022 3 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said: It still comes down to a vote for Mr. Poilievre, Ms. Lewis or Mr. MacKay is a vote for Prime Minister Trudeau. If you want to remove Mr. Trudeau, vote for Jean Charest. Queen i respect most of your opinions but this one, sorry... Charest has a lot of baggage, he is not that popular in Quebec, he has been out of politics to long that he would almost have no name brand amongst the newer generation, he is a liberal, he says he will run as a blue tory which he never was... A blue tory is not the same as it once was in his day....so what ,makes him so different than the 4 names above....I think once they announce their platforms we will see all of their true colors....lets not count anyone out yet... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted March 11, 2022 Report Posted March 11, 2022 Just now, Army Guy said: so what ,makes him so different than the 4 names above....I think once they announce their platforms we will see all of their true colors....lets not count anyone out yet... So far he's said he's pro-energy and pro-pipeline. That's so...Liberal of him.... Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Moonbox Posted March 11, 2022 Report Posted March 11, 2022 20 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Conservatives won the popular vote the last two elections in a row, and if you count the 4 previous elections it's probably 5 for 6. We're not a small fringe group, we just lose all the close votes in Ontario. The Conservative Party isn't a fringe group. The yahoos on the furthest right side of it are. The only reason that the CPC wins the popular vote is that because it has hyper-concentrated support in rural areas and in the West (other than BC). It does miserably in urban areas. Even then, the furthest-right of the party isn't even popular outside of Alberta/Sask/Man. The old Reform Party faceplanted everywhere in Canada outside of the West, and that's what it can continue to expect under Pierre Poilievre, the new incarnation of Preston Manning. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
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