Army Guy Posted March 9, 2022 Report Posted March 9, 2022 14 hours ago, Moonbox said: The die-hard conservatives don't need any convincing to vote conservative, so picking a hardliner accomplishes nothing. There's no box on the ballot for voting Conservative enthusiastically. and that's why the Conservatives keep losing elections they should not - this precise unwillingness to compromise. It's a foolish and self-defeating habit. There are lots of people eager to meet you somewhere in between your ideal outcome and another Trudeau/Liberal government. If you're not willing to budge and decide they can all go fuck themselves, that's on you. You might think you're being principled and uncompromising in a "good way", but you're not. You're being stubborn and immature. They do when you flip flop like O Toole promise one thing in the early campaign then do a total switch in order to catch the center...you lose hard conservatives... Thats bullshit, unwilling to compromise on what exactly, what policy or stance are they unwilling to compromise, they have bent over backwards and lubed it up .... Abortion, done, LGBTQ done, gay marriage done, Climate change done, 1 million genders done, critical race theory in schools done, we can keep going if you like... No the center are not willing to meet in the middle...they are shopping and want the right to compromise to better fit them. Thats not the definition of compromise that is them saying fuck you... want my vote jump to my music.... You can call it what ever you want, stubborn , idiotic who cares...there are lots of parties out there, put your name to one... and if you see Justine as the best choice then giver...And with his past record, now who is being childish...If that is what the people want then thats what they will get, and that is what all they deserve...So ya it is time to say Fuck them. keep what conservative values are left and keep trying until Canadians get tired of the liberals and move on to someone else... I really don't understand how any Canadian with any moral values at all could support a PM that has divided this country so bad it might not recover, who constantly lies not to just Canadians but to the world and our allies...he is not respected in Canada, let alone around the globe... just yesterday, he had to use the back door to Sussex street, becasue of a protest out front, screaming F*ck Trudeau, he has yet to do anything of really substance for the country... and those issues he has cling to have not really gone any where, climate change anyone...I'm not even sure why they let him sign any global treaty or policy, he does not keep his word...Most liberal voters will say he is the devil you know, becasue thats not childish thats reality......WTF is that even an excuse... Both sides the right and the left are drifting farther apart every second... if your in the middle then make a choice, It is all this compromise that has reshaped the conservative party to what it is today...nobody is sure what that is but it is scary to both sides... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted March 9, 2022 Report Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said: Shouldn’t the question be “what do the majority of Canadians want”? Ask what people who already vote for the party want is a great way to never expand your vote tally, don’t you think? The majority of Canadians already spoke, the party with the most votes is the conservative party....it is the way our electoral districts are set up that changes things... look everyone has a choice, pick one on election day... if you vote Conservative let it be becasue you like their policies and what they stand for... not becasue they had to water down their platform for those few votes in the center, who are only going to support you if you throw them a bone... or like Justin, he purchased his votes with our tax dollars , with hollow promises that he has no real intention of keeping ... it is the Canadian way, one that Canadians are to stupid to figure out yet... ... why else would someone vote for a guy who treats Canadians the way he does...do you like getting lied to, being deceived constantly, do you like how other countries look at our nation with disgust...then great vote liberal and live the dream. 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
TreeBeard Posted March 9, 2022 Report Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: it is the way our electoral districts are set up that changes things... Not quite…. It is the way we have always elected governments. Large support in a smaller number of districts doesn’t matter. You can take 80% of Alberta and Saskatchewan, but if you don’t win seats where the population lives, you won’t win an election. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: not becasue they had to water down their platform for those few votes in the center, who are only going to support you if you throw them a bone... Except, why wouldn’t you try and appeal to a majority of Canadians? If you want to be a fringe party, go ahead. But don’t cry when Canadians vote for mainstream parties. Quote
Army Guy Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 2 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Not quite…. It is the way we have always elected governments. Large support in a smaller number of districts doesn’t matter. You can take 80% of Alberta and Saskatchewan, but if you don’t win seats where the population lives, you won’t win an election. Except, why wouldn’t you try and appeal to a majority of Canadians? If you want to be a fringe party, go ahead. But don’t cry when Canadians vote for mainstream parties. OK, and thats not what i said, nor was i contesting I said the conservatives had more votes than any other party.... i also went on to explain that it was the way our electoral system is set up that gave the liberals the win....you remember the one he claimed he was going to change becasue it puts parties at a disadvantage.... You don't get it... Conservative party is not a fringe party it is main stream and will be for a long while, It's core ideals have been diluted by chasing the center votes, Like i stated what has the conservative party not compromised on today, to capture center votes....there is not many examples is there.... Nobody is crying, you want to vote liberal giver, or rhino party your the one that has to live with that choice .......and if the rest of Canada wants to go that route giver....like i said before it is the government they want , it is the government that they will get, and it is the government that they'll deserve...it is how democracy works right....I mean he has been in office for what 8 years now, he must have done something of importance right, name a few would you ? I'll give you one legalized pot....sorry to steal your thunder, got any more...maybe another 8 years he get something else done...even the liberals don't like Justin. so keep voting him in...maybe if you keep pounding your head against the wall the outcome will change...The question was what are you afraid of that the conservatives will do that the liberals have not... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 13 hours ago, Army Guy said: I really don't understand how any Canadian with any moral values at all could support a PM that has divided this country so bad it might not recover, who constantly lies not to just Canadians but to the world and our allies...he is not respected in Canada, let alone around the globe... and you're proposing Pierre Poilievre as the solution...HE'S the one who's going to heal the divide. My freaking god man.. ? 13 hours ago, Army Guy said: just yesterday, he had to use the back door to Sussex street, becasue of a protest out front, screaming F*ck Trudeau, he has yet to do anything of really substance for the country... but the rest of Canada wants nothing to do with these goofs. The trucker protest, the conspiracy clowns, the trump-wannabes...You don't have to be a Trudeau supporter to be revolted by these loud, mal-adjusted idiot babies. 8 hours ago, Army Guy said: Nobody is crying, you want to vote liberal giver, or rhino party your the one that has to live with that choice .......and if the rest of Canada wants to go that route giver....like i said before it is the government they want , it is the government that they will get, and it is the government that they'll deserve...it is how democracy works right.... It's how democracy works. It's about choosing. I think this Trudeau is the worst PM we've ever had, and the only one who could contend with him is his late father. That being said, there are always worse options. If the Conservative Party decides that cozying up with the Freedom Convoy, the anti-science crowd, the Pat Kings and Tamara Lichs', that hyperbole and ignorance is what they want to be about and the attitudes they decide to validate - I'd vote for almost anyone against them. 13 hours ago, Army Guy said: Both sides the right and the left are drifting farther apart every second... if your in the middle then make a choice, It is all this compromise that has reshaped the conservative party to what it is today...nobody is sure what that is but it is scary to both sides... The Conservative Party hasn't compromised. That's the problem. They've just found themselves on the wrong side of the issues over and over and over again. For gay marriage or abortion or anything like that, the best they've been able to accomplish is Harper muzzling the evangelical loudmouths and whipping the Party into submission. Pierre can't even do that. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Zeitgeist Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, Moonbox said: and you're proposing Pierre Poilievre as the solution...HE'S the one who's going to heal the divide. My freaking god man.. ? but the rest of Canada wants nothing to do with these goofs. The trucker protest, the conspiracy clowns, the trump-wannabes...You don't have to be a Trudeau supporter to be revolted by these loud, mal-adjusted idiot babies. It's how democracy works. It's about choosing. I think this Trudeau is the worst PM we've ever had, and the only one who could contend with him is his late father. That being said, there are always worse options. If the Conservative Party decides that cozying up with the Freedom Convoy, the anti-science crowd, the Pat Kings and Tamara Lichs', that hyperbole and ignorance is what they want to be about and the attitudes they decide to validate - I'd vote for almost anyone against them. The Conservative Party hasn't compromised. That's the problem. They've just found themselves on the wrong side of the issues over and over and over again. For gay marriage or abortion or anything like that, the best they've been able to accomplish is Harper muzzling the evangelical loudmouths and whipping the Party into submission. Pierre can't even do that. What are you scared of with Polievre? Your shrill fear of him has no basis in reality, but it’s typical now of many Canadians. It’s why we’re going to keep getting stupid government. 1 Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 23 minutes ago, Moonbox said: ? The Conservative Party hasn't compromised. That's the problem. They've just found themselves on the wrong side of the issues over and over and over again. For gay marriage or abortion or anything like that, the best they've been able to accomplish is Harper muzzling the evangelical loudmouths and whipping the Party into submission. Pierre can't even do that. they have compromised on everything including issues they were on the right side of and including the issues you directly mention stop gaslighting 1 Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: What are you scared of with Polievre? Your shrill fear of him has no basis in reality, but it’s typical now of many Canadians. It’s why we’re going to keep getting stupid government. he hates any conservative who isn't a super obvious clone of the NDP or Liberals even then he thinks they are way too far right and never compromise even a run of the mill Harpercon is now somehow worse than the "worst PM ever" to these uber far left clowns Edited March 10, 2022 by Yzermandius19 2 Quote
Zeitgeist Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: he hates any conservative who isn't a super obvious clone of the NDP or Liberals even the he thinks they are way too far right and never compromise even a run of the mill Harpercon is now somehow worse than the "worst PM ever" to these uber far left clowns Yup, we’re in trouble as a society when honesty and strength are described as scary or “alt right” or some other cheap disparagement. The “Trump clowns” get cited a lot. I bet many people miss those “clowns” because the clowns we have in office are proving more dangerous. No wars under Trump and fuel was less than half the price. No Emergencies Act or jackboots to the faces of peaceful protesters. What changed I wonder? Edited March 10, 2022 by Zeitgeist 1 Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) Stephen Harper 2.0 is somehow worse than the worst PM ever that's how warped Moonbox's view of politics has become the CPC hasn't moved to the right and never compromise but he moved way to out to lefty cuckoo land and he never compromises, along with the NDP and Liberals but he thinks he hasn't changed at all so relative to where he is now the CPC is further to the right of him than they used to be under Harper even though they noticeably shifted to the left, and cave on fckn everything Moonbox thinks compromise means the right has to become the left and the left never has to give them anything then when the right does that, the left moves the goalposts, moves even further left, says not good enough and demands even more caving from the right repressive tolerance Edited March 10, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Moonbox Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 29 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: they have compromised on everything including issues they were on the right side of and including the issues you directly mention If you say so. 29 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: stop gaslighting If only you knew what that term meant. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Moonbox Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 35 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: What are you scared of with Polievre? Your shrill fear of him has no basis in reality, but it’s typical now of many Canadians. It’s why we’re going to keep getting stupid government. I don't fear him because I know he can't win an election. The minute he hitched his wagon to the Freedom Convoy he made clear the type of politician he is, though it wasn't exactly a mystery before that. He's a demagogue. That's why I don't like him. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Yzermandius19 Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, Moonbox said: I don't fear him because I know he can't win an election. The minute he hitched his wagon to the Freedom Convoy he made clear the type of politician he is, though it wasn't exactly a mystery before that. He's a demagogue. That's why I don't like him. Trudeau is a demagogue and the worst PM ever yet Harper 2.0 is worse somehow give me a break, you hack 3 Quote
Nationalist Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Moonbox said: I don't fear him because I know he can't win an election. The minute he hitched his wagon to the Freedom Convoy he made clear the type of politician he is, though it wasn't exactly a mystery before that. He's a demagogue. That's why I don't like him. You don't have to like him. In fact, if Pierre becomes the conservative leader, you don't have to vote for his party. But I gotta believe everyone who reads your doomsday predictions, realizes how scared you are. When did Libbies start posing as conservatives? When did they start producing moles? This is a new tactic I think. One that exemplifies the fear, desperation and willingness to cheat of the left. Edited March 10, 2022 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Moonbox Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 24 minutes ago, Nationalist said: You don't have to like him. In fact, if Pierre becomes the conservative leader, you don't have to vote for his party. But I gotta believe everyone who reads your doomsday predictions, realizes how scared you are. I'm scared that we're effectively running a one-party system in Canada, where the Liberals win by default and then a handful of loser parties yap loudly but accomplish nothing else. 24 minutes ago, Nationalist said: When did Libbies start posing as conservatives? When did they start producing moles? This is a new tactic I think. One that exemplifies the fear, desperation and willingness to cheat of the left. Jean Charest was a previous federal conservative leader. Peter McKay was a Harper cabinet minister. Patrick Brown was the Provincial PC leader. They were "conservative" before you clowns decided that the word meant being a Trump-style moron. If that's what being "conservative" means, then have fun sulking after another lost election and then spending the next 10 years bitching and moaning about there being no "true conservatives" anymore. Coping 101. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Zeitgeist Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: I don't fear him because I know he can't win an election. The minute he hitched his wagon to the Freedom Convoy he made clear the type of politician he is, though it wasn't exactly a mystery before that. He's a demagogue. That's why I don't like him. One of the reasons I respect Polievre is because he listened to the valid concerns of the thousands of protesters and the millions of Canadians who agree with them. You don’t have to agree with everything about the “Freedom Convoy” to see that there were very legitimate concerns motivating the vast majority of the protesters. Trudeau should’ve acknowledged this and explained himself. Instead he vilified them and used every instrument available to government to deplatform and criminalize the protesters. The fact that you keep trying to play the game of painting everyone in the protest with some extremist brush or as “Trump clowns” is disgusting. When The Economist writes about the stunts pulled by our government and the government itself tries to justify it on “ideological” grounds, as though holding a different viewpoint from government is a crime, well it says a lot about how crappy our federal government has become. Edited March 10, 2022 by Zeitgeist 2 Quote
Nationalist Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Moonbox said: I'm scared that we're effectively running a one-party system in Canada, where the Liberals win by default and then a handful of loser parties yap loudly but accomplish nothing else. Jean Charest was a previous federal conservative leader. Peter McKay was a Harper cabinet minister. Patrick Brown was the Provincial PC leader. They were "conservative" before you clowns decided that the word meant being a Trump-style moron. If that's what being "conservative" means, then have fun sulking after another lost election and then spending the next 10 years bitching and moaning about there being no "true conservatives" anymore. Coping 101. Lol...the mole speaks. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Zeitgeist Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Lol...the mole speaks. Yeah I figure he’s either a Liberal, a Communist Party of China operative, or a World Economic Forum operative. Would we be able to tell the difference? Edited March 10, 2022 by Zeitgeist 3 Quote
Nationalist Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Yeah I figure he’s either a Liberal, a Communist Party of China operative, or a World Economic Forum operative. Would we be able to tell the difference? I don't care which the twerp is. I would advise him and Michael to stop their charade and have the balls to be what they are. Libbies. Hateful, dictatorial, scared li'l Tweenkies. Canada needs strong nationalist leadership now. Pixie-Dust and his lying, cheating minions have imposed enough stupidity on this nation. It's over. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Moonbox Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 21 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Yeah I figure he’s either a Liberal, a Communist Party of China operative, or a World Economic Forum operative. Would we be able to tell the difference? My god. You guys are a joke. While you were crying and peeing your pants over the "MSM fake media" crucifying the freedom convoy, you were here proving exactly why most of what they said was right. That Poilievre has you clowns on his side is exactly why he won't ever win an election. Angry losers belong together. The CPC has two option now. They can go with Poilievre and become the defacto People's Party of Canada (a clownshow) or they can participate in reality and say goodbye to the sulking babies Poilievre is courting - they can go join the People's Party, or the Mavericks, or whatever the next loser parade is. 2 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
OftenWrong Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, Nationalist said: I don't care which the twerp is. I would advise him and Michael to stop their charade and have the balls to be what they are. Libbies. Hateful, dictatorial, scared li'l Tweenkies. Canada needs strong nationalist leadership now. Pixie-Dust and his lying, cheating minions have imposed enough stupidity on this nation. It's over. Unfortunately stupidity has no bottom, none that's ever been identified. In the next election Canadians will be forced to choose from what is presented before them. So let's see. Ya got yer Trudeua who's already running things. Ya got yer Cunservatives with somebody we never heard of, or worse, somebody we heard of but already rejected before. And ya got yer Jagmeethead Singer, which is like Trudeua on eleven. I think the choice for our future is clear. Jagmeethead Singer Quote
Zeitgeist Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, Moonbox said: My god. You guys are a joke. While you were crying and peeing your pants over the "MSM fake media" crucifying the freedom convoy, you were here proving exactly why most of what they said was right. That Poilievre has you clowns on his side is exactly why he won't ever win an election. Angry losers belong together. The CPC has two option now. They can go with Poilievre and become the defacto People's Party of Canada (a clownshow) or they can participate in reality and say goodbye to the sulking babies Poilievre is courting - they can go join the People's Party, or the Mavericks, or whatever the next loser parade is. Keep honing your woke-green fascist rhetoric. It’s getting to be a hard sell. 2 1 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 19 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Unfortunately stupidity has no bottom, none that's ever been identified. In the next election Canadians will be forced to choose from what is presented before them. So let's see. Ya got yer Trudeua who's already running things. Ya got yer Cunservatives with somebody we never heard of, or worse, somebody we heard of but already rejected before. And ya got yer Jagmeethead Singer, which is like Trudeua on eleven. I think the choice for our future is clear. Jagmeethead Singer Yup. Its time we real conservatives started acting like conservatives instead of running scared to the left every time these moles and Libbies howl. Let the people decide. A government FOR Canadians...or a government FOR the Globalists. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Zeitgeist Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 27 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Yup. Its time we real conservatives started acting like conservatives instead of running scared to the left every time these moles and Libbies howl. Let the people decide. A government FOR Canadians...or a government FOR the Globalists. The problem is that many Conservatives haven’t really had conservative platforms. Brown wanted carbon taxes for Ontario and he was as politically correct as they come. The poor guy was attacked by his own party. Charest is a Liberal. Quote
Nationalist Posted March 10, 2022 Report Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: The problem is that many Conservatives haven’t really had conservative platforms. Brown wanted carbon taxes for Ontario and he was as politically correct as they come. The poor guy was attacked by his own party. Charest is a Liberal. True on both accounts. As far as I'm concerned, neither are worth the oxygen they utilize. I'm gonna watch this September nomination with enhanced interest. Should the CPC nominate a Libbie...the PPC will be getting my vote. If such actions happen all over the nation, then maybe the CPC will learn a lesson finally. Edited March 10, 2022 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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