No longer a democracy

[WestCanMan]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No doubt psychopaths in Pinochet's employ had a good time.

Can you get back on topic? We're talking about the War Measures Act, and Canadian dictators. 

[Zeitgeist]

18 minutes ago, dialamah said:

And we're tired of your sucky "sky is falling" hyperbolic, hysterical nonsense that our democracy is going going gone because you have to wear a f*cking mask for a couple of years.  You don't even have to get a vaccine - you just have to accept the consequences, whether it's getting sick or losing your job.  The rest of us have a right to feel safe in our country and not be held hostage in our homes by the special snowflakes that make up about 10% of the population.

I’m fully vaccinated but I value people’s right to make decisions about their health.  Be careful what you wish for because the criteria for assisted suicide keeps getting loosened.  Committees and family members can apply pressure to vulnerable elderly citizens. Once you’re deemed unfit to make healthcare decisions for yourself, much can happen that’s out of your control.  I believe very strongly in the sanctity of the person.  Giving up too much control to the state is dangerous for too many reasons to list.  

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Can you get back on topic? We're talking about the War Measures Act, and Canadian dictators. 

**** you.

[Jack9000]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Can you get back on topic? We're talking about the War Measures Act, and Canadian dictators. 

 

well there is no war measures act or  a Canadian dictator  so that makes the topic pointless.

[WestCanMan]

If the Freedom Convoy was torturing mentally handicapped kids, burning churches and low-income housing units, assaulting and killing cops, looting stores, overrunning police stations, tearing down statues, and attacking/injuring police to get into 24 Sussex Dr (like BLM did at the Whitehouse) would Trudeau support them like he does BLM? 

I honestly don't think that Freedom Convoy types are interested in assaulting and killing innocent civilians and cops just to get on Trudeau's good side. Surely there has to be another way. 

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

**** you.

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[Zeitgeist]

This Wall Street Journal article sums up the situation quite well:

https://apple.news/AMGOmnaUKSayBxL2rQEL9wg

I do think Trudeau is done.  If his party doesn’t change course fast, so are the Liberals.  

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, Jack9000 said:

 

well there is no war measures act or  a Canadian dictator  so that makes the topic pointless.

Well, there's the War Measures Act, and a hatemonger using draconian measures to crush a peaceful protest, so call it whatever you want. A rose by any other name, sweetie.

[Jack9000]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Well, there's the War Measures Act, and a hatemonger using draconian measures to crush a peaceful protest, so call it whatever you want. A rose by any other name, sweetie.

FACT is there is no war measures act lol  because you claim there is doesn't make it true infact 90% of what you post on here is garbage and false and gets called out as false but you just keep posting claiming its true its true because i  say so! like a typical far right online person and peaceful my ass lmao. Peaceful went out the window when they honked horns keeping people awake or harassed peopple walking by with masks on the streets lol.

Edited February 16, 2022 by Jack9000

[WestCanMan]

"BUT THE TOW TWUCKOWS AWEN'T WISTENING TO MEEEEEEEEEE! THEY MUST AWW BE MISTEROGERISTS [for you, jack9000] TOO!" 

"GODDAMMIT, I'M GONNA  CREATE MY OWN ELITE MILITARY UNIT, COMPLETELY MADE UP OF LESBIANS SO THAT THEY CAN'T BE MISOGYNISTS, TO DEAL WITH THIS EXISTENTIAL THREAT........ PARKING SPACE FORCE!"

THEN I'LL KICK TRUCKERS INTO A HOLE AND YELL: "THIS! IS! TRUDEAOPIAAAAAAAAA!!!!!"

[WestCanMan]

36 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I do think Trudeau is done.  If his party doesn’t change course fast, so are the Liberals.  

The Libs are in a tough spot right now.

It seems like they either have to pile on with some of their own hateful rhetoric about "RACIST TRUCKERS!" or they're not really part of the club anymore. 

Trudeau has already had two MPs speak out against his vitriol and demagoguery, and he's just ramped it up since then. This is kind of like a turning point for the LPOC. They've completely abandoned an entire class of people, plus any decent bystanders, if they keep going like this.

Edited February 16, 2022 by WestCanMan

[Queenmandy85]

45 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

This Wall Street Journal article sums up the situation quite well:

https://apple.news/AMGOmnaUKSayBxL2rQEL9wg

I do think Trudeau is done.  If his party doesn’t change course fast, so are the Liberals.  

So who would replace him? Unfortunately the CPC is in chaos until we find a new leader. I doubt Singh has the national support. Mad Max and his girlfriend's Hells Angles are a non-starter. Meanwhile, the grits are getting a small bounce. The next election is years away, so who can say what will happen. It would be wonderful if Ms. Ambrose changed her mind, but it looks like the CPC has blown their chances by dumping Mr. O'Toole (IMHO). 

[WestCanMan]

Just now, Queenmandy85 said:

So who would replace him? Unfortunately the CPC is in chaos until we find a new leader. I doubt Singh has the national support. Mad Max and his girlfriend's Hells Angles are a non-starter. Meanwhile, the grits are getting a small bounce. The next election is years away, so who can say what will happen. It would be wonderful if Ms. Ambrose changed her mind, but it looks like the CPC has blown their chances by dumping Mr. O'Toole (IMHO). 

The Deputy PM would be first in line if he stepped down... Chrystia Freeland.

Out of the frying tard, into the fire.

[TreeBeard]

30 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

So who would replace him? Unfortunately the CPC is in chaos until we find a new leader. I doubt Singh has the national support. Mad Max and his girlfriend's Hells Angles are a non-starter. Meanwhile, the grits are getting a small bounce. The next election is years away, so who can say what will happen. It would be wonderful if Ms. Ambrose changed her mind, but it looks like the CPC has blown their chances by dumping Mr. O'Toole (IMHO). 

Would the grassroots accept Ambrose as leader?

Ambrose wants a plan to deal with climate change.  Won’t this mean that the Party must actually accept someone as leader who admits that it is an issue that has to be dealt with?

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/human-cost-climate-policy-call-united-states-and-canada-move-lockstep-labour-strategy

[Jack9000]

11 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Would the grassroots accept Ambrose as leader?

Ambrose wants a plan to deal with climate change.  Won’t this mean that the Party must actually accept someone as leader who admits that it is an issue that has to be dealt with?

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/human-cost-climate-policy-call-united-states-and-canada-move-lockstep-labour-strategy

she already said she isn't running though.  which is a shame.. her or micheal chong would atleast get me to consider voting  Cpc . unlike pierre  who is a complete turn off.

[Nexii]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

This Wall Street Journal article sums up the situation quite well:

https://apple.news/AMGOmnaUKSayBxL2rQEL9wg

I do think Trudeau is done.  If his party doesn’t change course fast, so are the Liberals.  

What's more likely though, a party insurgency or an election call? I'd bet on the latter, but it seems like the Liberals can do anything and sit at 30% in the polls.

[Queenmandy85]

20 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Ambrose wants a plan to deal with climate change.  Won’t this mean that the Party must actually accept someone as leader who admits that it is an issue that has to be dealt with?

Mr. O'Toole was prepared to deal with the climate crisis. Why would Prime Minister Trudeau step down? If the ending of the protest goes smoothly, his prospects will go up. 

[TreeBeard]

4 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Mr. O'Toole was prepared to deal with the climate crisis. Why would Prime Minister Trudeau step down? If the ending of the protest goes smoothly, his prospects will go up. 

Mr. O’Toole was stabbed in the back by his own MPs.  Why would they do that, then accept someone with similar views?

I never said anything about Trudeau stepping down.

[Zeitgeist]

37 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Mr. O'Toole was prepared to deal with the climate crisis. Why would Prime Minister Trudeau step down? If the ending of the protest goes smoothly, his prospects will go up. 

I actually think that if the Conservatives took on a small government libertarian, low-tax platform, they’d be unstoppable.  They need a leader who won’t apologize for the social conservatism in the party but who also speaks plainly and realistically about what the public supports. They’ll need a climate action story that’s convincing, no matter how fake or blown out of proportion they think climate change is.  I think they can manage with Polievre quite well if they can garner all the conservative support. They really need to absorb the PPC.

Edited February 16, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[TreeBeard]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I actually think that if the Conservatives took on a small government libertarian, low-tax platform, they’d be unstoppable.  They need a leader who won’t apologize for the social conservatism in the party but who also speaks plainly and realistically about what the public supports. They’ll need a climate action story that’s convincing, no matter how fake or blown out of proportion they think climate change is.  I think they can manage with Polievre quite well if they can garner all the conservative support. They really need to absorb the PPC.

Do you think more social conservatism is the answer to winning an election for the Conservatives?

[Queenmandy85]

42 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

I never said anything about Trudeau stepping down.

Sorry, that was WastCanMan.

Prime Minister Trudeau will still be in office to lead the grits into the next election. Unless the CPC come up with a really good leader, (and I don't see anyone of merit putting their name forward), or something dramatic happens, he will likely win. The CPC might have won last fall if all these anti-Trudeau people had got off their asses and actually went out and campaigned for the CPC instead of grousing and whining.

10 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I actually think that if the Conservatives took on a small government libertarian, low-tax platform, they’d be unstoppable.  They need a leader who won’t apologize for the social conservatism in the party but who also speaks plainly and realistically about what the public supports

That would make Mr. Singh Leader of the Official Opposition and the CPC somewhere back in the corner with the Greens, and Mr. Trudeau would have his majority.

The Progressive Conservative party never formed a governmnet without a Red Tory as leader. Diefenbaker, Clark (the only man who ever beat a Trudeau), and Mulroney.

Edited February 16, 2022 by Queenmandy85

[cougar]

18 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Prime Minister Trudeau will still be in office to lead the grits into the next election. Unless the CPC come up with a really good leader, (and I don't see anyone of merit putting their name forward), or something dramatic happens, he will likely win. The CPC might have won last fall if all these anti-Trudeau people had got off their asses and actually went out and campaigned for the CPC instead of grousing and whining.

 

It is a bullshit system anyways.  You elect Trudeau and he is shoving a needle in your butt or kicking you out of your job, arresting you, seizing your bank account, denying you access to social insurance services and hoping you die fast.

Or you elect a stupid conservative who will be shoving oil and gas pipelines up your butt, telling you , you will prosper but for some reason you and your kin end up dying fast.

Edited February 16, 2022 by cougar

[Zeitgeist]

58 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Do you think more social conservatism is the answer to winning an election for the Conservatives?

I think the public would be relieved to hear what people actually think instead of politically correct BS.  It means being unapologetic.  I actually like Candice Bergen.  She’s smart, reasonable, and seems genuinely caring.  Doesn’t hurt that she’s attractive.

The Liberals have become ridiculous in their focus on identity politics issues.  I don’t think most people care about someone’s sexual orientation, identity, or race, but we’re constantly told that these matter more than cost of living, education, wages, etc.  We’re also constantly wringing our hands over past injustices that have nothing to do with today’s citizens, half of whom are immigrants.

The Liberals represent government overreach, overspending, high taxes, identity politics, and strange pet projects.  

Edited February 16, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[TreeBeard]

22 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I don’t think most people care about someone’s sexual orientation, identity, or race,

Except for social conservatives.  

24 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

We’re also constantly wringing our hands over past injustices that have nothing to do with today’s citizens, half of whom are immigrants.

Why are you pointing to citizens when it’s more accurate to say the apologies are by the government for past wrongs of other governments?

[Zeitgeist]

8 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Except for social conservatives.  

Why are you pointing to citizens when it’s more accurate to say the apologies are by the government for past wrongs of other governments?

Governments already apologized.  The added inquiries led to all sorts of weird recommendations like universal basic income for all that have nothing to do with MMIW or Residential Schools.  Anyway, we’ve done it all now and done irreparable damage to national unity.  Of course the people who were the subject of all this hand-wringing like the country and its leaders even less.  Canada has fallen so low under Trudeau’s Liberals.  Startling actually. Harper wouldn’t have walked into these traps.  Trudeau couldn’t wait to show the world how honourable he is. Now he needs emergency measures to keep the opposition in line because he’s alienated so many ordinary Canadians.  

Edited February 16, 2022 by Zeitgeist