The Boomer Flu

[Goddess]

I hope that our Canadian right to medical bodily autonomy does not disappear.  If we manage to retain it, it will be thanks to people who chose to use it and demand  that it be continued.

One day you may be thanking them.  One day you may feel foolish for advocating it be taken away, even from just "those" people.

[Goddess]

8 minutes ago, dialamah said:

She's not sick, so why would she need hospitalization?  Only sick people go to hospitals and only the VERY sick stay there.  The mildly sick get sent home, vaccinated or not.  

But I guess assuming everything is a big hoax helps you sleep better or something, so fill your boots.

No one is saying it's a hoax.  If that's what you're reading, then I suggest some kind of classes in reading comprehension.

Not everyone believes that trying to curb an illness which over 99% of the population survives, is worth flushing already established human rights down the toilet.  And with a third of deaths being amongst those vaccinated, all I can say is Really???  Really???

Again, like shooting a bazooka into a crowded room to kill a fly.  Damn the future consequences.  Right?  That's what you're saying.  Nothing like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

It's a pandemic. Did you think no one was going to die?  Do you think coronaviruses are not going to continue killing people in the future?  How are you going to stop that?  Who is the next group of people you are going to blame?

What happens the next time the government and media tell you it's all the fault of a certain group of people and they need to have their human rights removed?  Just go along, no questions asked?  That seems to be your stance.

Edited September 29, 2021 by Goddess

[cougar]

5 hours ago, dialamah said:

Let me put it into simpler terms so you can understand.

After a starting line like yours I read no further.

STFU ! (to use your polite terminology from your previous post)

[Shady]

14 minutes ago, dialamah said:

She's not sick, so why would she need hospitalization?  Only sick people go to hospitals

That’s not true.  Thanks to the panic porn of the mainstream media, many people that test positive for covid now immediately go to the hospital out of irrational fear.  

[dialamah]

Just now, Shady said:

That’s not true.  Thanks to the panic porn of the mainstream media, many people that test positive for covid now immediately go to the hospital out of irrational fear.  

And are sent home unless they are sick.  My friend wasn't sick, she didn't even go to the hospital.  She called the health authority who said she did not have to quarantine and could be tested if she wanted, but her risk was low.

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, dialamah said:

My friend wasn't sick, she didn't even go to the hospital. 

Great for your friend.  I'm happy for her.  The vast majority go home - vaxxed or unvaxxed.

But a third of the vaxxed are dying and as usual, you and others refuse to address that fact.

I picture you and Tree and Boges as pigs, with giant brass rings in your nose, being yanked around by the media and told who to hate, what to fear, what to think and to think and reason no further than what they tell you to.

[TreeBeard]

47 minutes ago, Goddess said:

How about you answer the question.  Do you think it's okay for human rights to be removed if a government and media deem it to be in society's best interest?

Many agreed with sterilizing Indigenous people because the government and whatever media at the time convinced them it was for the best.  History has proved them wrong and immoral.

No, I don’t think the media should have any input into government decisions on removing rights. 
 

Do you think forced sterilization is a bit of hyperbole you’re using?  Sort of like the Nazi talk?

[TreeBeard]

35 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I hope that our Canadian right to medical bodily autonomy does not disappear.  If we manage to retain it, it will be thanks to people who chose to use it and demand  that it be continued.

One day you may be thanking them.  One day you may feel foolish for advocating it be taken away, even from just "those" people.

I should thank people who don’t want vaccination passports because we might get like China and force people to get vaccinated?

Do you think maybe that vaccination passports could help Canada not get to the point of contemplating pulling people off the streets and jabbing them with life saving medicine against their will?

Edited September 29, 2021 by TreeBeard

[TreeBeard]

59 minutes ago, Goddess said:

You see absolutely NO similarities?  One group of people had their human rights removed because of race.  Another group is experiencing the same because they choose to exercise an already established human right.

No none.

The unvaccinated are not being sterilized, nor is there anything akin to ethnic cleansing happening like in the case of indigenous people.

Do you not see how an argument like yours could minimize what indigenous people went through when you compare being kidnapped, forced sterilized or ethnically cleansed of your race to needing a vaccine passport to go to a Leafs game?

Edited September 29, 2021 by TreeBeard

[Goddess]

26 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Do you think forced sterilization is a bit of hyperbole you’re using?

No.  It's the same - the right to choose medically what happens to our own bodies is a human right.

What part of that is difficult for you to comprehend?

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Do you not see how an argument like yours could minimize what indigenous people went through when you compare being kidnapped, forced sterilized or ethnically cleansed of your race to needing a vaccine passport to go to a Leafs game?

I'm not sure of your mental capabilities, but you seem to keep missing the point.

I was talking about removing the established human right to bodily autonomy, not going to a Leafs game.

Forcing vaccinations by removing peoples rights to work or restricting normal human activity, when the risk is miniscule and only being used as an excuse, is a violation of human rights.

[Goddess]

28 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Do you think maybe that vaccination passports could help Canada not get to the point of contemplating pulling people off the streets and jabbing them with life saving medicine against their will?

China is 80% vaccinated. And they are doing that.

Why do you think it would be different here?  Especially in the climate of terror you are buying into.  It's the fearmongerering and abject terror that makes any civilization  commit atrocities.

No, I don't think Canadians are immune to this flaw in thinking.

You certainly aren't.

[TreeBeard]

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I'm not sure of your mental capabilities, but you seem to keep missing the point.

I was talking about removing the established human right to bodily autonomy, not going to a Leafs game.

Forcing vaccinations by removing peoples rights to work or restricting normal human activity, when the risk is miniscule and only being used as an excuse, is a violation of human rights.

Can a nurse who is fired for not being vaccinated go find other employment that doesn’t have mandatory vaccinations?

If I don’t want to get a driving licence, should I still have a right to be a courier and cruise around town in a yellow van?

[TreeBeard]

4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

China is 80% vaccinated. And they are doing that.

Why do you think it would be different here?  Especially in the climate of terror you are buying into.  It's the fearmongerering and abject terror that makes any civilization  commit atrocities.

You think we are the same as China?  Are you one of the people that think Trudeau is a secret commie working for China?

Where is the abject terror?  I see none.

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No, I don't think Canadians are immune to this flaw in thinking.

You certainly aren't.

 

I notice you use a lot of personal insults when you disagree with someone. Have I insulted you in any of our discussions?  Do you think it makes your argument stronger to question my mental abilities?

[cougar]

16 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

If I don’t want to get a driving licence, should I still have a right to be a courier and cruise around town in a yellow van?

What a bizarre comparison.  One has to do with skill and abilities; the second has to do with........I guess nothing, but is protected by the charter of human rights.

You will not find it in the charter of rights that any unskilled person has the right to do whatever job they want and the society has to accommodate them.  However discrimination is illegal; extortion is illegal; torture is illegal and so on.  Firing a person over their vaccination status is clear discrimination.   Pressuring a person to put unknown drugs into his body is some sort of tort - let the lawyers figure out the type and identify it.

Edited September 29, 2021 by cougar

[Goddess]

18 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

I notice you use a lot of personal insults when you disagree with someone.

As do you.  The fact that you "smile" when you do it, doesn't change that you do it.

And Dia....she's a master at insults.  But I don't see you counselling her.

[dialamah]

10 minutes ago, Goddess said:

As do you.  The fact that you "smile" when you do it, doesn't change that you do it.

I haven't seen TB insult anyone; he just ties them in knots - well, I guess that could be considered insulting.  Can you provide an example of an insult he's handed out?    Or we can just go with you lying again.

10 minutes ago, Goddess said:

And Dia....she's a master at insults.  But I don't see you counselling her.

Sometimes, and only if the other person starts it - such as by misrepresenting my posts, or outright lying about what I've posted.  

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

But a third of the vaxxed are dying and as usual, you and others refuse to address that fact.

Do you mean the vaxed in hospital, or all vaxed people?

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

That’s not true.  Thanks to the panic porn of the mainstream media, many people that test positive for covid now immediately go to the hospital out of irrational fear.  

And of course a hospital will admit them with no symptoms. Get real. 

[TreeBeard]

47 minutes ago, cougar said:

What a bizarre comparison.  One has to do with skill and abilities; the second has to do with........I guess nothing, but is protected by the charter of human rights.

You will not find it in the charter of rights that any unskilled person has the right to do whatever job they want and the society has to accommodate them.  However discrimination is illegal; extortion is illegal; torture is illegal and so on.  Firing a person over their vaccination status is clear discrimination.   Pressuring a person to put unknown drugs into his body is some sort of tort - let the lawyers figure out the type and identify it.

Both have to do with job requirements, no?

 

[TreeBeard]

38 minutes ago, Goddess said:

As do you.  The fact that you "smile" when you do it, doesn't change that you do it.

And Dia....she's a master at insults.  But I don't see you counselling her.

Can you point out where I have insulted you?  I’d like to try not to do it again.

If Dia uses personal insults on me, then I will be sure to ask her if she thinks it helps her argument any.  Do you want me to referee your conversations with her?  If so, then I can point out each of your personal insults in your posts to each other.    

[Goddess]

19 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Do you mean the vaxed in hospital, or all vaxed people?

My apologies, I meant, as the data showed and I was discussing - that 1/3 of the people dying are vaccinated.

[dialamah]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

My apologies, I meant, as the data showed and I was discussing - that 1/3 of the people dying are vaccinated.

So the other 2/3rds that are dying are the unvaxed?  Does that mean if both you and I go into the hospital with Covid, you are about twice as likely to die as I am?  

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

You think we are the same as China?  Are you one of the people that think Trudeau is a secret commie working for China?

I wanted to address this.  The vaccine passports are exactly a social credit system.  Where the government tells you what to do with your own body.  You comply or "social credits" are denied to you.

Get it?  If you comply, you can go to a Leafs game.  If you comply, you can eat in a restaurant.  If you comply, you can hold a job. (But they get to choose the job, haha)

Is this what you want in Canada?  Because this is what you're asking for.

As for Trudeau, I have no idea what he's up to.  I do know that "absolute power corrupts absolutely" and he's pretty corrupt.

[TreeBeard]

17 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I wanted to address this.  The vaccine passports are exactly a social credit system.  Where the government tells you what to do with your own body.  You comply or "social credits" are denied to you.

Get it?  If you comply, you can go to a Leafs game.  If you comply, you can eat in a restaurant.  If you comply, you can hold a job. (But they get to choose the job, haha)

Could it also be said that the government is trying to keep as many people as safe as possible through the use of these social credits? 

That it is safer for everyone at a Leafs game to be fully vaccinated than it is to allow the unvaccinated population to mingle with the vaccinated?

 

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Is this what you want in Canada?  Because this is what you're asking for.

No, I actually don’t want this in Canada.  Yes, I am asking for it in Canada.  Almost 28,000 people are dead from a virus.  Do you know of any better ways to stop the spread of the virus?