future of the Republican party

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

That's entertainment. Trump is right about McConnell and McConnell is right about Trump. They are both sleaze balls.

 

Correct....Canada is so boring, it seeks lots of "entertainment" from the United States.

[Aristides]

17 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Correct....Canada is so boring, it seeks lots of "entertainment" from the United States.

Well you guys sure put on a clown show to entertain the rest of the world.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Well you guys sure put on a clown show to entertain the rest of the world.

 

Yep...just did it again today...on Mars.   Canada gets to watch...again.

[Aristides]

9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Yep...just did it again today...on Mars.   Canada gets to watch...again.

Yes, that is impressive. Well done NASA.

[Cannucklehead]

Great show.  The u.s. spends billions to land on a rock millions of miles away while their own people are dying due to a lack of infrastructure spending.  

 

At least the ancient pharaohs had their human sacrifices buried with them.

[bush_cheney2004]

7 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

Great show.  The u.s. spends billions to land on a rock millions of miles away while their own people are dying due to a lack of infrastructure spending. 

 

Canada doesn't get any Buck Rogers...just the people dying part.   Sad....

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Canada doesn't get any Buck Rogers...just the people dying part.   Sad....

 

He's probably still ticked about Jim Chamberlin. 

[BeaverFever]

On 2/17/2021 at 8:42 PM, WestCanMan said:

You talk about that like it's a thing. Do you have some cites? Does it upset you that Trump did the things that he promised to do when he was running for president?

Was Trump the guy who signed 28 executive orders in his first month? (Nope, 12, Biden signed 28)

Was Trump the guy who used the vast power of the oval office for super-important things like allowing trans ex-men to smack women around in sports? Nope. Dang, that was a really good one by Biden. Now Giuliani can fight Pelosi if he just tucks in his junk. 

 

Ah the selective outrage over presidents exercising their constitutional right to issue executive orders. It only bothers you when Democrats use it.

 

Did you know Trump signed more executive orders during hos first 100 days in office than any president in HISTORY???  Did you know in Trumps one term he  issued almost as many as Obama did in both terms?   You probably didn’t but it wouldn’t have bothered you even if you did. Ignorance and hypocrisy go hand-in-hand with Trump supporters.  Just like Republicans threw a fit over Obama’s EOs even though it was fewer than either Bush Jr or Reagan  

Personally I don’t think it matters. If your predecessor issued 1000 terrible orders them you should issue 1000 of your own to reverse them all not fixate on some pretend magic number. 
 

Up next:  your selective outrage over presidential vacation. Again Trump each and Bush Jr took more vacation than Obama and Trump is the all/time record holder. But let’s bet that Republican hypocrites will only become outraged by Bidens vacations just like they were only outraged over Obama’s 

Oh and the last time Giuliani tried to tuck his junk in he ended up in a Borat movie so maybe he should just stick to dying his hair. Now that Trump has fired him as his lawyer he probably has lots of free time to experiment with brands that don’t hilariously run down his face

Edited February 19, 2021 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Who said that Putin supported Trump?

CNN supported Trump because they thought that he couldn't win the presidential election. Putin just threw out attack ads to get the kids in America fighting, and you're still doing it. 

Putin supported Trump and said so openly while Trump fawned all over him in the most cuckolded beta-male way.  CNN supported Trump now. That’s new. 

 

9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

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The hot mic moment was an actual event that happened, and it leaves one wondering why Obama could be more free to negotiate after an election. Why would he negotiate things with Russia if he knew that they would hurt him in an election?

You know that acting against the best interests of your own country is a bad thing, right?

The hot mic moment was nothing consequential. Of course governments have more room to manoeuvre after an election.
 

Republicans are easily fooled by completely benign discussions if they’re caught on a “hidden cam” or a hot mic because just by its nature it feels like you’re listening in on juicy gossip. Republican propagandists like the Project Veritas convicted criminal love to take advantage of that and present the footage to a willing audience as something it’s really not. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Ah the selective outrage over presidents exercising their constitutional right to issue executive orders. It only bothers you when Democrats use it.

 

Did you know Trump signed more executive orders during hos first 100 days in office than any president in HISTORY???  Did you know in Trumps one term he  issued almost as many as Obama did in both terms?   You probably didn’t but it wouldn’t have bothered you even if you did. Ignorance and hypocrisy go hand-in-hand with Trump supporters.  Just like Republicans threw a fit over Obama’s EOs even though it was fewer than either Bush Jr or Reagan  

Personally I don’t think it matters. If your predecessor issued 1000 terrible orders them you should issue 1000 of your own to reverse them all not fixate on some pretend magic number. 
 

Up next:  your selective outrage over presidential vacation. Again Trump each and Bush Jr took more vacation than Obama and Trump is the all/time record holder. But let’s bet that Republican hypocrites will only become outraged by Bidens vacations just like they were only outraged over Obama’s 

Oh and the last time Giuliani tried to tuck his junk in he ended up in a Borat movie so maybe he should just stick to dying his hair. Now that Trump has fired him as his lawyer he probably has lots of free time to experiment with brands that don’t hilariously run down his face

Trump did 32 in his first 100 days, Biden did 28 in his first two weeks. https://www.npr.org/2021/02/03/963380189/with-28-executive-orders-signed-president-biden-is-off-to-a-record-start

I won't bother trying to explain the difference to you because you're a leftist, so arithmetic is beyond yer ken, but Biden's pace is dictatorial.

"Thou shalt tucketh thy junk to beateth the womanfolk." - Ayatollah Biden

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Putin supported Trump and said so openly while Trump fawned all over him in the most cuckolded beta-male way.  CNN supported Trump now. That’s new. 

That's like the Mona Lisa of leftist platitudes. Layer upon layer of liberal stupidity that has to be seen first hand to be appreciated. 

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The hot mic moment was nothing consequential. Of course governments have more room to manoeuvre after an election.

Riiiiiight. 

If you saw Trump saying something so blatantly conspiratorial you'd call it the Holy Grail of Russian collusion evidence but when Obama got busted it was just peachy-keen lol. 

He was weaselling, hard core. The guy's as greasy as they come.

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Republicans are easily fooled by completely benign discussions if they’re caught on a “hidden cam” or a hot mic because just by its nature it feels like you’re listening in on juicy gossip. Republican propagandists like the Project Veritas convicted criminal love to take advantage of that and present the footage to a willing audience as something it’s really not. 

Yeah, Republicans were fooled by seeing a video of Van Jones admitting that Russian collusion was a big nothingburger lol. That was about a year after Republicans already knew it was a nothingburger, and 1.5 years before Mueller admitted that Russian collusion actually was a big nothingburger. 

FYI that's the opposite of being fooled.

If you're keeping score, Democrats are completely fooled by AOC, an old man with porridge on his chin, and "anonymous sources" lol. 

[BeaverFever]

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

That's like the Mona Lisa of leftist platitudes. Layer upon layer of liberal stupidity that has to be seen first hand to be appreciated. 

Trump has to go on national TV and basically apologize for the ball-licking he gave  Putin in Helsinki (“he was so powerful!”) where he said he trusted former KGB officer Putin more than US intelligence personnel.  And Trump has been trying to redirect any criticism of Russia since the beginning. Putin and Trump also publicly praised each other repeatedly.
 

On the rare occasions where the two criticize each other  it has only been after repeated arm-twisting and then the criticism is mild, brief and heavily scripted....just like Trumps criticism of white supremacists and Proud Boys. You don’t need to twist his arm to rant about Antifa or immigrants or Muslims or BLM though, he’ll rant all day every day about those people no prompting required!  
 

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Riiiiiight. 

If you saw Trump saying something so blatantly conspiratorial you'd call it the Holy Grail of Russian collusion evidence but when Obama got busted it was just peachy-keen lol. 

There’s nothing “blatantly conspiratorial” about it. And considering that the original Republican propaganda was that Obama was dangerously starting and escalating  a new cold war with Russia that Trump had to de-escalate with peace overtures to Putin, this totally revised story with the roles reversed isn’t fooling anyone. 
 

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Yeah, Republicans were fooled by seeing a video of Van Jones admitting that Russian collusion was a big nothingburger lol. That was about a year after Republicans already knew it was a nothingburger, and 1.5 years before Mueller admitted that Russian collusion actually was a big nothingburger. 

FYI that's the opposite of being fooled.

Yeah a selectively edited clip that claims to show something it doesn’t show. Van Jones is in the middle of making a larger point when he’s cut off by someone mid-sentence. And the sentence fragment is all Trumptards are fed for  their propaganda. O’Keefe is known for that. I’m sure I could secretly record you for hours and then choose just the right 10-second clip of you to make it seem like you said something you didn’t. His people have been caught before trying to entrap/trick people into saying things  

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/27/project-veritas-moore-washington-post-261023

 

And Mueller definitely did not say it was a nothingburger. He said Donald Trump obstructed the investigation from reaching a conclusion in a criminal way but only Trumps AG has the power to charge him.  Trump was exonerated the way OJ Simpson was. 

[BeaverFever]

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Trump did 32 in his first 100 days, Biden did 28 in his first two weeks. https://www.npr.org/2021/02/03/963380189/with-28-executive-orders-signed-president-biden-is-off-to-a-record-start

I won't bother trying to explain the difference to you because you're a leftist, so arithmetic is beyond yer ken, but Biden's pace is dictatorial.

"Thou shalt tucketh thy junk to beateth the womanfolk." - Ayatollah Biden

Like I told you it doesn’t matter how many are signed, but as usual you completely miss the point.  
 

The point is you’re a shameless hypocrite because you had no problem when Trump set the all-time record did you?  You’re only concerned when someone else might catch up to him. 

[Charles Anthony]

Calm down, guys.  Stop the nagging. 

 

None of you are the topic of discussion. 

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Trump has to go on national TV and basically apologize for the ball-licking he gave  Putin in Helsinki (“he was so powerful!”) where he said he trusted former KGB officer Putin more than US intelligence personnel.  And Trump has been trying to redirect any criticism of Russia since the beginning. Putin and Trump also publicly praised each other repeatedly.
 

On the rare occasions where the two criticize each other  it has only been after repeated arm-twisting and then the criticism is mild, brief and heavily scripted....just like Trumps criticism of white supremacists and Proud Boys. You don’t need to twist his arm to rant about

Trump didn't need to criticize Putin.

He stopped him cold, which was his job as POTUS, and that's that.

Future Republicans need to follow Trump's lead, not get caught up in CNN disinformation.

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Antifa or immigrants or Muslims or BLM though, he’ll rant all day every day about those people no prompting required!   

Antifa and BLM are terrorist organizations that are doing an incredible amount of damage in the USA. It's not a problem that Trump will readily talk about them, it's a problem that the Dems say that they're doing an acceptable level of damage.

Illegal immigration is a problem that needs to be dealt with. We'll see soon enough how Biden deals with them, but a problem for the Dems is brewing. 

Immigration from terrorist hotbeds like Syria and Iraq where there's no anti-terrorism intelligence service to cooperate with is ridiculous. Leftists like to act like bringing in immigrants from Switzerland and Iran are the same thing, but leftists are legendary for their abject stupidity. 

 Whatever Republicans end up taking the lead in the future, they need to steer clear of Dem-level stupidity.

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There’s nothing “blatantly conspiratorial” about it. And considering that the original Republican propaganda was that Obama was dangerously starting and escalating  a new cold war with Russia that Trump had to de-escalate with peace overtures to Putin, this totally revised story with the roles reversed isn’t fooling anyone. 
 

Not sure where you get your info from, but they're stupid.

The Dems were all about a great reset with Russia, remember?

Obama's big joke to Kerry about "The 1980's called, they want their foreign policy back" was a huge hit with leftards. 

Russia is good, we love Russia.

The House Intel Committee warned Obama that Russia was planning to interfere with the 2016 election and Obama would have none of it. 

All of a sudden the Dems got caught with their pants down and you want Trump to berate Putin over it? LMAO. Buy a clue.

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Yeah a selectively edited clip that claims to show something it doesn’t show. Van Jones is in the middle of making a larger point when he’s cut off by someone mid-sentence. And the sentence fragment is all Trumptards are fed for  their propaganda. O’Keefe is known for that. I’m sure I could secretly record you for hours and then choose just the right 10-second clip of you to make it seem like you said something you didn’t. His people have been caught before trying to entrap/trick people into saying things  

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/27/project-veritas-moore-washington-post-261023

 

 

That whole blurb was just a mix of your own opinions, which are basically worthless, disinformation about Van Jones's confession, and a link to an article from WashPo which is basically garbage.

FYI WashPo was successfully sued for slander by a minor, their opinions are garbage. 

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And Mueller definitely did not say it was a nothingburger. He said Donald Trump obstructed the investigation from reaching a conclusion in a criminal way but only Trumps AG has the power to charge him.  Trump was exonerated the way OJ Simpson was.

Mueller said he had no evidence. By definition the collusion witch hunt was a big nothingburger.

Accusations of obstruction are bullshit. Trump's people gave the criminally-run FBI far more information and put up with far more of their crap than they should have. 

Trump wasn't exonerated, it's impossible to conclusively prove that at no point in his life did he ever ask Russians for any help with 24/7 video of his life from 2012 to 2016, the FBI just had to admit that their bogus investigation and their coercion of Manafort, Stone et al didn't manage to dredge up any false testimony or anything. 

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Like I told you it doesn’t matter how many are signed, but as usual you completely miss the point.  
 

The point is you’re a shameless hypocrite because you had no problem when Trump set the all-time record did you?  You’re only concerned when someone else might catch up to him. 

The point is that you don't see the difference between: a few more than the next closest POTUS, and several times as many as the last 3 presidents combined. 

Biden's not even doing this himself, he's far from being up to the challenge. He doesn't even really know what's going on with all of those. His puppet masters give him cue cards and he mumbles what he thinks they are.

[BeaverFever]

14 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The point is that you don't see the difference between: a few more than the next closest POTUS, and several times as many as the last 3 presidents combined. 

Biden's not even doing this himself, he's far from being up to the challenge. He doesn't even really know what's going on with all of those. His puppet masters give him cue cards and he mumbles what he thinks they are.

As I told you:  if Trump signed 1,000 terrible executive orders over the course of his presidency, Biden is within his rights to reverse all of them on day 1 of his presidency.  There’s no rule that says you have to spread them out or anything. Don’t be an idiot.  I know that’s asking a lot of you. 

[BeaverFever]

Ugly new attacks on Republicans who defied Trump hint at a dark GOP future
 

If you believe that the health of our civic life depends in part on having a pro-democracy, pro-empiricism center right in this country, you will be deeply dispirited by some new comments from a Pennsylvania Republican that have now gone viral.
 

David Ball, the chair of the Washington County GOP, vented his anger at Sen. Pat Toomey, fellow Republican of Pennsylvania, who committed the apostasy of joining six other GOP senators in voting to convict former president Donald Trump of inciting insurrection.

“We did not send him there to vote his conscience,” Ball said on Monday. “We did not send him there to do the right thing or whatever he said he was doing. We sent him there to represent us.”
 

The first half of this comment is generating headlines. After all, the unvarnished expression of the idea that Toomey’s proper role was to side with Trump, rather than do what his conscience dictates, is unintentionally revealing.

 

But the second half — the notion that representing Republican votersrequired this of Toomey — is also telling, and suggests the ongoing GOP war over Trump’s legacy may well lead to a very dark place....,

 

GOP’s ‘extremist wing’ is ‘too big to fail’

The ugly truth is that they will continue to do so. The calculation appears to be that this posture is necessary to keep millions of low-propensity conservative voters — the ones Trump flushed into the electorate — in the GOP coalition. Here again Graham was candid, claiming the GOP’s route to victory in 2022 is “Trump plus.”

What “Trump plus” really means is not hard to discern, as Charlie Sykes notes: It’s the willingness to hold on to those voters by countenancing “sedition, violence, extremism, and anti-democratic authoritarianism.”

Or, as Ron Brownstein puts it, the GOP’s “extremist wing” may have grown “too big to fail.” The downside risk of telling those voters the truth is too great.

Yet far from representing those voters, these public officials are actually keeping them trapped in the same delusion that they fed for weeks leading up to the insurrection: the idea that the election’s outcome was in doubt — and that efforts to reverse it were justified.

This isn’t representation. It’s betrayal. And the fact that the Republicans who declined to do this are the ones getting censured and condemned for failing their voters bodes very badly.

 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/02/16/david-ball-toomey-pennsylvania-gop/%3foutputType=amp

Edited February 20, 2021 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

17 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Trump didn't need to criticize Putin.

He stopped him cold, which was his job as POTUS, and that's that.

ROTFLMAO!!!!   That is the funniest thing I’ve heard in a long time!!  Republican altered reality strikes again 

 

Putin launched the largest and most devastating cyberattack against the Unites states in history last year and the damage assessment alone is expected to take years. If that’s your definition of being “stopped cold” then you have problems. The only thing Republicans have “stopped cold” is Texas. 
 

I’ll respond to the rest of your nonsense later. 

Edited February 20, 2021 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

On 2/18/2021 at 5:58 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Correct....Canada is so boring, it seeks lots of "entertainment" from the United States.

Sane and responsible  people are definitely more boring  and less entertaining than crazy and irresponsible people. That’s for sure. 

[BeaverFever]

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Antifa and BLM are terrorist organizations that are doing an incredible amount of damage in the USA. It's not a problem that Trump will readily talk about them, it's a problem that the Dems say that they're doing an acceptable level of damage.

Neither of those groups sacked the Capitol with the goal of stopping an election, assassinating the Vice President and several members of Congress.  Neither of those groups have formed militias with military training and advocating for civil war, or shot up mosques and synagogues or mailed out pipe bombs or plotted to kidnap a governor or crashed their truck through the PMs gate and tried to storm his residence. All of that has come from extremists on the Right. 

 

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Immigration from terrorist hotbeds like Syria and Iraq where there's no anti-terrorism intelligence service to cooperate with is ridiculous. Leftists like to act like bringing in immigrants from Switzerland and Iran are the same thing, but leftists are legendary for their abject stupidity. 

 Whatever Republicans end up taking the lead in the future, they need to steer clear of Dem-level stupidity.

Terrorists can come from anywhere and zero terrorist attacks in the US were carried out by immigrants from Iraq or Iran or Syria.  Nationals of the seven countries singled out by Trump have killed zero people in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1975 and 2015.  Lots of Saudis have killed Americans but no restrictions there because Trump and Republicans are fucking corrupt and LOVE Saudis. Saudis ate among the biggest spenders at Trumps hotel  

As a side note, Note that almost two thirds  of domestic terrorism is right-wing, anti-abortion, and white supremacist:

 

.....Including those murdered in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 (9/11), the chance of a person perishing in a terrorist attack on U.S. soil committed by a foreigner over the 43‐year period studied here is 1 in 3.8 million per year. The hazard posed by foreigners who entered on different visa categories varies considerably. For instance, the chance of an American being murdered in a terrorist attack by a refugee is about 1 in 3.86 billion per year, while the annual chance of being murdered in an attack committed by an illegal immigrant is zero. By contrast, the chance of being murdered by a tourist on a B visa, the most common tourist visa, is about 1 in 4.1 million per year. Compared to foreign‐born terrorists, the chance of being murdered by a native‐born terrorist is about 1 in 28 million per year.

There were 192 foreign‐born terrorists who planned, attempted, or carried out attacks on U.S. soil from 1975 through 2017. Of those, 65 percent were Islamists, 18 percent were foreign nationalists, 6 percent were right‐wingers, 6 percent were non‐Islamic religious terrorists, 3 percent were left‐wingers, and the rest were separatists or adherents of other or unknown ideologies. By comparison, there were 788 native‐born terrorists who planned, attempted, or carried out attacks on U.S. soil from 1975 through 2017. Of those, 24 percent were right‐wingers, 22 percent were white supremacists, 16 percent were left‐wingers, 14 percent were Islamists, 11 percent were anti‐abortion, and 6 percent were others. This expanded terrorism risk analysis can aid in the efficient allocation of scarce government‐security resources to best counter the small terrorist threat.

 

https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/terrorists-immigration-status-nationality-risk-analysis-1975-2017

 

 

Edited February 20, 2021 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Not sure where you get your info from, but they're stupid.

The Dems were all about a great reset with Russia, remember?

Obama's big joke to Kerry about "The 1980's called, they want their foreign policy back" was a huge hit with leftards. 

Russia is good, we love Russia.

The House Intel Committee warned Obama that Russia was planning to interfere with the 2016 election and Obama would have none of it. 

All of a sudden the Dems got caught with their pants down and you want Trump to berate Putin over it? LMAO. Buy a clue

I get my info from the real world not your revisionist alternative  history.
 

The Great Reset ended over the period of 2012-2014 due to Magnitsky Act and then Russian annexation of Crimea, the downing of a civilian airliner by Russian proxy forces and other hostile moves by Putin against the West generally and wester-friendly officials in Ukraine especially. 
 

Convenient you don’t recall Trump calling for Russia to be readmitted to the G7 after Obama had them thrown out. And you don’t recall any of these either right?

• April 27, 2016: In a foreign policy speech at the Mayflower Hotel, on the invitation of the Center for National Interest, Trump states that “this horrible cycle of hostility must end and ideally will end soon” between the United States and Russia. Russian ambassador to the U.S., Sergey Kislyak, attends and greets Trump at the reception preceding the address. [Time (transcript); [Wall Street Journal, May 13, 2016]

• July 31, 2016: When asked by ABC anchor George Stephanopoulos about Putin, Trump states: “I’ve never met him. I have no relationship with Putin. I don’t think I’ve ever met him. I never met him . . . . I mean if he’s in the same room or something. But I don’t think so.” Trump also states that “the people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were.” [ABC (transcript)]
   

• December 15, 2016: Trump transition team releases “[a] very nice” holiday letter from Putin to Trump expressing the hope that Trump will “restore the framework of bilateral cooperation in different areas as well as bring our level of collaboration on the international scene to a qualitatively new level.”
   

• January 7, 2017: Trump tweets in series about Russia:

• Having a good relationship with Russia is a good thing, not a bad thing. Only "stupid" people, or fools, would think that it is bad! We.....

  — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 7, 2017

  have enough problems around the world without yet another one. When I am President, Russia will respect us far more than they do now and....

  — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 7, 2017

  both countries will, perhaps, work together to solve some of the many great and pressing problems and issues of the WORLD!

  — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 7, 2017

   

 

• January 13, 2017:  Trump tells the Wall Street Journalhe may lift sanctions on Russia: "If you get along and if Russia is really helping us, why would anybody have sanctions if somebody’s doing some really great things?" [Wall Street Journal]

• Trump tells the Wall Street Journalhe may lift sanctions on Russia: "If you get along and if Russia is really helping us, why would anybody have sanctions if somebody’s doing some really great things?" [Wall Street Journal]

• Trump says it's 'common sense' to include Russia in G7

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN23A285

 

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

That whole blurb was just a mix of your own opinions, which are basically worthless, disinformation

That is the definition of being a Republican. Your irrelevant smear on WaPo doesn’t change the fact Veritas got busted trying to set them up for one of their dishonest stings and the Trumptard moron they hired to do the job was not only really bad at it but like a true right wing idiot she had been bragging about it all over her open social media page ahead of time. 

[BeaverFever]

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Mueller said he had no evidence. By definition the collusion witch hunt was a big nothingburger.

Accusations of obstruction are bullshit. Trump's people gave the criminally-run FBI far more information and put up with far more of their crap than they should have. 

Trump wasn't exonerated, it's impossible to conclusively prove that at no point in his life did he ever ask Russians for any help with 24/7 video of his life from 2012 to 2016, the FBI just had to admit that their bogus investigation and their coercion of Manafort, Stone et al didn't manage to dredge up any false testimony or anything. 

That is a lie. Once again you’re grossly misinformed. He did not say “he had no evidence”.  He said “that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.” 

And he said “ The investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.”

What Mueller could not establish because of Trumps obstruction is whether their actions rose to the level of criminality   The obstruction is also well documented: ““Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations...The incidents were often carried out through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels. These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General’s recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony.”

 

[Aristides]

5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Sane and responsible  people are definitely more boring  and less entertaining than crazy and irresponsible people. That’s for sure. 

Ya, I'll take boring and competent any day.

[-TSS-]

America is a one party-state now and will be to the foreseeable future but are the democrats happy? No they aren't. They seem to get angrier than ever.