The Lawsuits

[DogOnPorch]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

Trudeau Derangement Syndrome. 

 

Hardly. You'll rarely hear me go on about Canadian politics. But if you like that little cock sucker, you can join him.

[Boges]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

Hardly. You'll rarely hear me go on about Canadian politics. But if you like that little cock sucker, you can join him.

I don't BTW. 

But I can see so many here see the world in such Black and White scenarios. 

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Boges said:

I don't BTW. 

But I can see so many here see the world in such Black and White scenarios. 

 

You're so wise...and we're all so small next to your greatness. Understood.

[Boges]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

You're so wise...and we're all so small next to your greatness. Understood.

I'll take your attempt at you resorting to sarcasm seriously and thank you. 

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

I'll take your attempt at you resorting to sarcasm seriously and thank you. 

 

I'm sure you take it.

[Michael Hardner]

On 1/4/2021 at 3:26 PM, Boges said:

So it should terrify Democrats that the GOP have pretty much zero chance to win the popular vote ever again?  

America existed before the Republicans and will exist after they're gone.  

[DogOnPorch]

22 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

America existed before the Republicans and will exist after they're gone.  

 

Do you plan on reintroducing anything? You know...the things Republicans stopped?

[Aristides]

On 1/6/2021 at 3:31 PM, -TSS- said:

The latest conspiracy-theory is that the ones who invaded Congress were actually antifa in a maga-disguise. It is common that when something happens which makes you look bad you shout: false flag!

It must have been the idiot wing of antifa. They forgot the masks they always wear to these events.

[Boges]

It's safe to say that yesterday put an end to this charade. 

Trump finally conceded that he's gone January 20th. Of course it was facing the threat of being forced to resign or being removed from office. 

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

It's safe to say that yesterday put an end to this charade. 

Trump finally conceded that he's gone January 20th. Of course it was facing the threat of being forced to resign or being removed from office. 

Next up: impeaching him... going from four more years to maybe four more days...

[Argus]

On 1/8/2021 at 11:26 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Next up: impeaching him... going from four more years to maybe four more days...

Waste of time unless McConnell agrees, and he doesn't.

[Aristides]

9 minutes ago, Argus said:

Waste of time unless McConnell agrees, and he doesn't.

From Snopes

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If a president is impeached, convicted, and removed from office, they lose many of the benefits awarded to former presidents, such as a pension, security detail, and travel allowance. A president who is removed from office via impeachment may also be barred from holding future office.

 

[Aristides]

Speaking of lawsuits, Dominion is suing Sidney Powell for 1.3 billion. 

Edited January 10, 2021 by Aristides

[Argus]

From Senator Jeff Jackson, North Carolina

 

Last week I sent an email that bluntly stated:

“The election was not rigged. The elected officials saying otherwise are being intentionally dishonest.”

And I got a lot of replies from people saying, “Are you SURE it wasn’t rigged? How do you know? Where’s the proof? I heard that it was, so maybe we should look into that.”

Ok, so let me double back for a minute.

If you honestly aren’t sure whether or not the election was rigged, the best way I know to address that is to provide a wide variety of sources on the subject.

So here are 44 sources - a number of them supporters of the president - for you to consider.

In my view, if you genuinely believe that the election may have been stolen, you owe it to yourself to at least check your beliefs against what you see below.

(And if, upon review, you determine that the evidence does not support a conclusion that the election was rigged, the next step would be to cast a skeptical eye toward the sources that repeatedly tried to convince you otherwise.)

“But Jeff, why should I believe anything you say?”

Don’t. Check the sources.

“But Jeff, these sources are all corrupt and lying and should be ignored!”

Ok - but just know that when people accuse you of believing a conspiracy theory, this is why.

It’s because - in the face of an immense number of fact checks, Republican judges, and Republican elected officials - you’re not willing to consider the possibility that you may have been misled.

That’s conspiracy theory territory, and you should just know that going in.

• Sen. Jeff Jackson

P.S. - This is long, so I also published it as a Medium post, if you'd prefer: https://jeff-jackson.medium.com/was-the-election-rigged-lets-take-a-look-sen-jeff-jackson-887b5b9b443e

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1. “Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud” - AP https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d

2. “Trump’s claims of vote rigging are all wrong” - AP https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-ap-fact-check-joe-biden-donald-trump-technology-49a24edd6d10888dbad61689c24b05a5

3. “First Statewide Audit of paper ballots in Georgia upholds results of Presidential race” - Georgia Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger (R) https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/historic_first_statewide_audit_of_paper_ballots_upholds_result_of_presidential_race

4. “There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.” - Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council & The Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Executive Committees https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election

5.“The minimal number of criminal investigations that have so far come out of the November vote further reinforce the absence of sweeping vote fraud schemes.” - Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/voter-fraud-investigations-2020/2020/12/22/bdbe541c-42de-11eb-b0e4-0f182923a025_story.html

6. “In a remarkable show of near-unanimity across the nation’s judiciary, at least 86 judges — ranging from jurists serving at the lowest levels of state court systems to members of the United States Supreme Court — rejected at least one post-election lawsuit filed by Trump or his supporters.” - Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/judges-trump-election-lawsuits/2020/12/12/e3a57224-3a72-11eb-98c4-25dc9f4987e8_story.html

7. “It’s Official: The Election Was Secure” - Brennan Center for Justice https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/its-official-election-was-secure

8. “As former Republican Members of Congress who swore an oath to the Constitution, we believe the statements by President Trump alleging fraud in the election are efforts to undermine the legitimacy of the election and are unacceptable” - Letter from 31 Former Republican Members of Congress https://thehill.com/homenews/house/525161-former-gop-lawmakers-call-on-trump-to-accept-election-results

9. “To win, Mr. Trump must prove systemic fraud, with illegal votes in the tens of thousands. There is no evidence of that so far.” - Karl Rove, Wall Street Journal https://www.wsj.com/articles/this-election-result-wont-be-overturned-11605134335

10. “U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann — a Republican and Federalist Society member in central Pennsylvania — compared the campaign’s legal arguments to ‘Frankenstein’s Monster,’ concluding that Trump’s team offered only ‘speculative accusations,’ not proof of rampant corruption.” - AP News https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-pennsylvania-elections-talk-radio-433b6efe72720d8648221f405c2111f9

And you can read the case for yourself here: https://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/sites/pamd/files/20-2078_202.pdf

11. “A sitting president undermining our political process & questioning the legality of the voices of countless Americans without evidence is not only dangerous & wrong, it undermines the very foundation this nation was built upon. Every American should have his or her vote counted." - Will Hurd (R), Representative of Texas’s 23rd District https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/524738-republicans-rebuke-trump-over-claims-of-voter-fraud

12. “STOP spreading debunked misinformation…This is getting insane” - Adam Kinzinger (R), Republican Representative of Illinois’s 16th District https://twitter.com/RepKinzinger/status/1324503564891414528?s=20

13. “The scheme by members of Congress to reject the certification of the presidential election makes a mockery of our system and who we are as Americans.” - Maryland Governor Larry Hogan (R) https://www.chicagotribune.com/election-2020/ct-republican-senators-electoral-college-20210102-ockzn4ln2babxfvuvnt5kvuuhe-story.html

14. Sen. Joni Ernst (R-IA) Shoots Down Trump Legal Team’s ‘Rigged Election’ Claims: “Absolutely Outrageous” - Fox News https://radio.foxnews.com/2020/11/19/sen-joni-ernst-r-ia-shoots-down-trump-legal-teams-rigged-election-claims-absolutely-outrageous/

15. “[The president] is wrong to say that the election was rigged, corrupt or stolen — doing so damages the cause of freedom here and around the world, weakens the institutions that lie at the foundation of the Republic, and recklessly inflames destruction and dangerous passions.” - Sen. Mitt Romney (R), Utah https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1324763757105602561?s=20

16. “President Trump’s legal team has not presented evidence of the massive fraud which would have had to be present to overturn the election. I voted for President Trump but Joe Biden won.” - Sen. Bill Cassidy (R), Louisiana https://twitter.com/SenBillCassidy/status/1331013512605405184?s=20

17. “Republican Sen. Pat Toomey calls Trump’s campaign to overturn Pennsylvania election ‘completely unacceptable’” - The Philadelphia Inquirer https://fusion.inquirer.com/politics/election/pat-toomey-pennsylvania-election-results-trump-20201208.html

18. “Nebraska Sen. Deb Fischer (R) says widespread voter fraud not proven in 2020 election” - KETV https://www.ketv.com/article/i-will-uphold-my-oath-nebraska-sen-deb-fischer-says-widespread-voter-fraud-not-proved-in-2020-election/35132772#

19. “Former GOP election law attorney says widespread voter fraud doesn’t exist” - Fox Denver https://kdvr.com/news/politics/former-gop-election-law-attorney-says-widespread-voter-fraud-doesnt-exist/

20. “There is not and has not been any credible evidence of significant fraud in the 2020 election” - Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/14/there-is-not-has-not-been-any-credible-evidence-significant-fraud-2020-election/

21. “Georgia election: Trump voter fraud claims and others fact-checked” - BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/55561877

22. “Trump’s made-up claims of fake Georgia votes” - AP News https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-check-donald-trump-georgia-elections-electoral-college-407d934b6649a4e4059ec28c4cb70512

23. “Fact-checking Trump’s false claims about Pennsylvania’s election before his supporters attacked the Capitol” - The Philadelphia Inquirer https://fusion.inquirer.com/politics/election/trump-washington-rally-pennsylvania-fact-check-20210106.html

24. “Trump tweet wrongly suggests there were defects with Michigan voting machines” - Detroit Free Press https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/15/trump-fact-check-defect-voting-machines-michigan/3902951001/

25. “The Times Called Officials In Every State: No Evidence of Voter Fraud” - New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/politics/voting-fraud.html

26. “A Georgia Election official debunked Trump’s claims of voter fraud point by point” - New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/04/us/politics/trump-georgia-election-fraud.html

27. “Pennsylvania pours cold water on Trump’s voter fraud claims” - The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/18/first-thing-pennsylvania-pours-cold-water-on-trumps-voter-claims

28. “Here’s the reality behind Trump’s claims about mail voting” - AP https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-joe-biden-election-2020-donald-trump-elections-3e8170c3348ce3719d4bc7182146b582

29. “2020 election ‘most secure in American history,’ federal election security officials say” - Fox News https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2020-election-secure-history-federal-security

30. “Presidential Election ‘Most Secure’ In History, Top Security Experts At DHS Say” - HuffPost https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2020-election-most-secure-dhs_n_5fadd55cc5b6370e7e3158ca

31. “Fired director of U.S. cyber agency Chris Krebs explains why President Trump's claims of election interference are false” - 60 Minutes, CBS https://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-results-security-chris-krebs-60-minutes-2020-11-29/

32. “Trump’s own officials say 2020 was America’s most secure election in history” - Vox https://www.vox.com/2020/11/13/21563825/2020-elections-most-secure-dhs-cisa-krebs

33. “Governor Wolf, officials say Pennsylvania had a fair and secure election” - MSN https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/governor-wolf-officials-say-pennsylvania-had-a-fair-and-secure-election/ar-BB1cwXYG

34. “No, Dominion voting machines did not delete Trump votes.” - New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/11/technology/no-dominion-voting-machines-did-not-delete-trump-votes.html

35. “Georgia officials rebutted Trump’s claim that Dominion voting machines failed in ‘Republican strongholds.’” - NYT https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/05/us/politics/dominion-georgia.html

36. “Missouri Sen. Roy Blunt (R) went on CNN and said the presidential election wasn’t ‘rigged’” - Springfield News Leader https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/16/missouri-senator-roy-blunt-biden-president-elect-electoral-college-vote/3910497001/

37. “Sen. Cornyn (R) says he’s seen no evidence of voter fraud” - The Daily Sentinel https://www.dailysentinel.com/news/local/article_c1250852-0687-5d3b-8b9b-d0e441b7ed20.html

38. “No evidence shows Biden benefitted from voter fraud, South Dakota Senator John Thune (R) says” - Argus Leader https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/06/thune-no-evidence-shows-biden-benefitted-voter-fraud/6190130002/

39. Georgia official Raffensperger: "We had safe, secure, honest elections" - 60 Minutes, CBS News https://www.cbsnews.com/video/georgia-official-raffensperger-we-had-safe-secure-honest-elections/

40. “Fact-Checking the Congressional Debate on Ratifying the Election Results” - NYT https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/06/us/fact-check-electoral-certification

41. Arizona Supreme Court upholds election challenge dismissal: “In all, eight lawsuits challenging Biden’s Arizona win have failed.” https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-arizona-phoenix-e929a14f4dca0de3d9929fb4cef4a6fb

42. Fact check: After hand count audits of the vast majority of the ballots in the state, no evidence for claims Arizona's results were marred by fraud - NBC News https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/live-blog/electoral-college-certification-updates-n1252864/ncrd1253058#blogHeader

And you can see the hand count results for yourself here: https://azsos.gov/election/2020-general-election-hand-count-results

43. “Arizona's GOP AG rejects voter fraud claims” - Axios https://www.axios.com/arizona-republican-ag-rejects-voter-fraud-claims-80b4b5a4-18a9-433a-9e64-c75b4d9a8ddd.html

44. From a presidential commission to Trump-nominated judges, here’s who has rebuked Trump’s voter fraud claims - Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/03/voter-fraud/

[Michael Hardner]

10 hours ago, Argus said:

From Senator Jeff Jackson, North Carolina

Can you provide a link to this publication fro Senator Jeff Jackson ?

[Argus]

On 1/12/2021 at 8:47 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Can you provide a link to this publication fro Senator Jeff Jackson ?

Well, if you see near the midpoint where he says 'this post is very long' there's a link to this.

[Aristides]

Dominion suing Powell for 1.3 billion. They have also sent letters of intent to Fox, Hannity, Dobbs, Bartiromo, Wood, Giuliani, Limbaugh, Newsmax, ONN and Epoch Times. Legal eagles say their case against Powell is pretty much a slam dunk.

Dominion executive Eric Coomer who had to go into hiding because of death threats from Trump's crazy battalion is suing Powell, Giuliani, Newsmax, ONN and multiple other right wing agencies and commentators.

Bout time these people were held accountable.

Edited January 15, 2021 by Aristides

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Dominion suing Powell for 1.3 billion. They have also sent letters of intent to Fox, Hannity, Dobbs, Bartiromo, Wood, Giuliani, Limbaugh, Newsmax, ONN and Epoch Times. Legal eagles say their case against Powell is pretty much a slam dunk.

Dominion executive Eric Coomer who had to go into hiding because of death threats from Trump's crazy battalion is suing Powell, Giuliani, Newsmax, ONN and multiple other right wing agencies and commentators.

Bout time these people were held accountable.

The Krakens coming home to roost!

 

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

The Krakens coming home to roost!

 

Releasing Krakens can be risky. 

[sharkman]

Hah, that "lawsuit" will never see a court, because if it does, all of their dirty deeds done will have to be heard by the courts involved.  Witnesses from the US, Italy, Germany and South America will sink Dominion like an enraged Kraken.  This is just Dominion trying to get some good press while they can.  

[BubberMiley]

23 minutes ago, sharkman said:

Hah, that "lawsuit" will never see a court, because if it does, all of their dirty deeds done will have to be heard by the courts involved.  Witnesses from the US, Italy, Germany and South America will sink Dominion like an enraged Kraken.  This is just Dominion trying to get some good press while they can.  

You say that with the secure knowledge that you are probably much too insignificant to be sued for libeling a company with no evidence whatsoever.

[Aristides]

29 minutes ago, sharkman said:

Hah, that "lawsuit" will never see a court, because if it does, all of their dirty deeds done will have to be heard by the courts involved.  Witnesses from the US, Italy, Germany and South America will sink Dominion like an enraged Kraken.  This is just Dominion trying to get some good press while they can.  

Wanna bet? Powell and Co can look forward to being poor.

[BeaverFever]

On 12/19/2020 at 11:56 AM, sharkman said:

Wow Beaver, another hatchet job on Trump, this time by the Globe and Mail.  I'm sure there are a lot of hatchet swingers out there, but for them to claim that he's accomplished nothing illustrates clearly how blind they are.  I'm not going to list his accomplishments and get into this with you as it would be a waste of both of our time. 

When this is over, one of us is going to be $100 poorer.  Do you have a short list of organizations you want the money to go to?  I've got a list of one.

Ok @sharkmantime for you to become $100 poorer as you promised You can make the donation here under the name Sharkman-MLW or something like that  

 

https://ca.gofundme.com/f/9v4q2-justice-for-breonna-taylor?qid=d58b11b52f5c1b61f4a9c545a680fcee

Once you’re done please let me know so I can check it out!

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Ok @sharkmantime for you to become $100 poorer as you promised You can make the donation here under the name Sharkman-MLW or something like that   

BF: Someone on a MAGA forum warned me that the libs were celebrating "too soon".... 

[Michael Hardner]

Another strange thing:

It looks like many pro-Trump forums and groups on Facebook went away.  

My take is that they were set up by paid content providers and the contracts are now cancelled since there's no sense in paying for content until the next ramp-up.  Thoughts ?

Last piece of news: Sydney Powell revoked her Georgia lawsuits.  Let's try to follow up with this, as she doubtlessly won't be in the news for these lawsuits much longer.