Shady Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 13 minutes ago, Boges said: They're not. The people that the Deplorables should oppose also support Trump. But Trump cons the "Deplorables" to make them think he's on their side. When it's clear that Trump's only in it for Trump. Complete nonsense. An all of the above energy policy is being on the side of American people. So is slowing immigration, particularly work visas. So are better trade deals, etc, etc. Your assertions are complete projection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 Some much needed logic and reason from a constitutional law professor who didn’t vote for Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Shady said: Complete nonsense. An all of the above energy policy is being on the side of American people. So is slowing immigration, particularly work visas. So are better trade deals, etc, etc. Your assertions are complete projection. As mentioned by BC2004. Obama's immigration policy was quite strict. Ultimately removal of regulations, especially in regards to environmental ones, help the large corporations the populists are raging against right now in light of COVID-19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Boges said: It's said deplorables who have the GOP terrified. A devoted core of people who somehow see this two-bit conman as a saviour. It does speak to the end of the Republican party as a "Conservative" party. It's a populist part who's devoted to one man. Again...old news...the so called Tea Party fractured the GOP long before Trump. But the Trump haters have amnesia. Quote How else can you describe Ted Cruz playing along with the Fraud scheme five years after Trump accused him of the exact same thing? ? Wow...what a surprise...American politics was so pure and moral before Trump, right ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Shady said: Some much needed logic and reason from a constitutional law professor who didn’t vote for Trump. It's clear that many Democrats were eager to contest the 2016 outcome. Wanna know who stopped them at this stage? Joe Biden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Shady said: Complete nonsense. An all of the above energy policy is being on the side of American people. So is slowing immigration, particularly work visas. So are better trade deals, etc, etc. Your assertions are complete projection. Agreed, but the Trump haters cannot be objective about such things. They are totally consumed by their hatred of anything Trump, regardless of any merit or previous administration's policies. How dare Trump file lawsuits ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Agreed, but the Trump haters cannot be objective about such things. They are totally consumed by their hatred of anything Trump, regardless of any merit or previous administration's policies. How dare Trump file lawsuits ! It seems you're the one that assumes how the opposing side is framing an argument. I can totally criticize Trump based on the merit of previous governments or other policies. For example, why is it that what's left of the Tea Party is quiet in the face of rampant deficit spending by Trump? Edited January 4, 2021 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Agreed, but the Trump haters cannot be objective about such things. They are totally consumed by their hatred of anything Trump, regardless of any merit or previous administration's policies. How dare Trump file lawsuits ! You would think Trump Haters would be more curious as to why counties that voted for Obama twice, voted for Trump. But nah, it’s either because they’re racist or were conned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Boges said: It seems you're the one that assumes how the opposing side is framing an argument. I can totally criticize Trump based on the merit of previous governments or other policies. I don't have to assume...it has been obvious for years. You have yet to consider Trump mainly as another American administration, preferring to focus on his personal and political antics, with so much butt-hurt for "allies". President Obama just used better lubricant. Quote For example, why is it that what's left of the Tea Party is quiet in the face of rampant deficit spending by Trump? Oh, so now you suddenly remember the Tea Party. They are not so quiet as much as they reached the end of their political life cycle started more than a decade ago, culminating with opposition to President Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Shady said: You would think Trump Haters would be more curious as to why counties that voted for Obama twice, voted for Trump. But nah, it’s either because they’re racist or were conned. Well, the Trump haters clearly do not want to deal with American political reality, because that would mean there are 75,000,000 voters who do not agree with them or their ideology. Easier to just explain to themselves that such people are "poor/ignorant", and easily "conned". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Well, the Trump haters clearly do not want to deal with American political reality, because that would mean there are 75,000,000 voters who do not agree with them or their ideology. Easier to just explain to themselves that such people are "poor/ignorant", and easily "conned". True. You'd think they would come around at some point, because the mid-terms are going to be a "f-ing blood bath" to quote a moderate democrat barely winning in 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, Shady said: You would think Trump Haters would be more curious as to why counties that voted for Obama twice, voted for Trump. But nah, it’s either because they’re racist or were conned. Who won the popular vote in 2016? Trump won by flipping 3 states by the smallest of margins. Trump won because of Democratic arrogance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Boges said: Who won the popular vote in 2016? Trump won by flipping 3 states by the smallest of margins. Trump won because of Democratic arrogance. I get it, but you're still not curious as to why counties in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin voted for Trump, after voting for Obama twice. There are now counties that voted for Trump in 2020 that voted for Hillary in 2016. He got 10 million new voters, and his share of votes from minorities went up. Democrats may want to find out why, and calling them duped or racists isn't going to cut it. The mid-terms are going to be a blood bath for them if they remain this toxic. It's why they lost a bunch of house seats and won zero state legislatures in a year with a all-time record turnout. If Trump had shown just a bit more compassion and concern over covid, he wouldn't cake walked to a victory. Shouldn't Democrats wonder why? I don't really care if they do though, I'd rather them keep their head in the sand. It's going to be fun to have veto proof majorities in the house and senate in 2022. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Boges said: Who won the popular vote in 2016? Trump won by flipping 3 states by the smallest of margins. Trump won because of Democratic arrogance. U.S. states are not always static political battlegrounds. How many states did Ronald Reagan "flip" in 1980 and 1984 ? Oh...wait...we're talking about Trump, so objective analysis does not apply. Why ? BECAUSE WE HATE TRUMP !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, Shady said: I get it, but you're still not curious as to why counties in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin voted for Trump, after voting for Obama twice. There are now counties that voted for Trump in 2020 that voted for Hillary in 2016. He got 10 million new voters, and his share of votes from minorities went up. It's Trump...so political reality doesn't matter to them. The Democrats lost over 1,000 federal and state seats under Obama....lost the House, lost the Senate, and lost the presidency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, Shady said: I get it, but you're still not curious as to why counties in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin voted for Trump, after voting for Obama twice. There are now counties that voted for Trump in 2020 that voted for Hillary in 2016. He got 10 million new voters, and his share of votes from minorities went up. Democrats may want to find out why, and calling them duped or racists isn't going to cut it. The mid-terms are going to be a blood bath for them if they remain this toxic. It's why they lost a bunch of house seats and won zero state legislatures in a year with a all-time record turnout. If Trump had shown just a bit more compassion and concern over covid, he wouldn't cake walked to a victory. Shouldn't Democrats wonder why? I don't really care if they do though, I'd rather them keep their head in the sand. It's going to be fun to have veto proof majorities in the house and senate in 2022. That was an excellent post mortem that was done after 2016. You ignore that Biden was able to achieve the largest margin of victory since Reagan. Or are you just calling it all fraud? You think the GOP will resonate with the public, going forward, if they just assume that 2020 was stolen from them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Shady said: Edited January 4, 2021 by Shady Duplicate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: It's Trump...so political reality doesn't matter to them. The Democrats lost over 1,000 federal and state seats under Obama....lost the House, lost the Senate, and lost the presidency. So we're still living in 2016. I get it, that's your safe space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, Boges said: That was an excellent post mortem that was done after 2016. You ignore that Biden was able to achieve the largest margin of victory since Reagan. Or are you just calling it all fraud? You think the GOP will resonate with the public, going forward, if they just assume that 2020 was stolen from them? Yes Biden did, but the Democrat party as a whole didn’t. In a record turnout election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, Boges said: So we're still living in 2016. I get it, that's your safe space. Again, you are refusing to acknowledge that the Democratic Party was bleeding very badly long before Trump ever ran for office. Trump took advantage of a political sentiment that was already well underway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Again, you are refusing to acknowledge that the Democratic Party was bleeding very badly long before Trump ever ran for office. Trump took advantage of a political sentiment that was already well underway. Sure and then lost the 2020 election very badly even while his party did fairly well down ballot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Shady said: Yes Biden did, but the Democrat party as a whole didn’t. In a record turnout election. Well this is about Trump, right? The problem with the US political system is that only a handful of states decide the entire POTUS contest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, Boges said: Sure and then lost the 2020 election very badly even while his party did fairly well down ballot. So what ? I don't know of any U.S. president that would have been re-elected under the current circumstances....except for maybe Washington, Lincoln, and Roosevelt. Trump did far better than the Trump haters ever thought he would/could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Boges said: The problem with the US political system is that only a handful of states decide the entire POTUS contest. It's not a problem...it is by design. Trump did not design it, but you can blame him if you want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So what ? I don't know of any U.S. president that would have been re-elected under the current circumstances....except for maybe Washington, Lincoln, and Roosevelt. Trump did far better than the Trump haters ever thought he would/could. That's not true. His loss wasn't a certainty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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